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I listened to 3:46 and I couldn't take any more of his very obviously being a stooge of the globalists plans and the UN.

The elite have framed the worst Communists in a country run by oligarchs as a our saviors via the UN over the big bad USA monster.

Can you Europeans see the elite are fooling you by manufacturing a war and having Russia and USA play roles in a drama.

Yet you fall for it, because you really want to believe Putin is your savior.

Fuck that. We Americans know who our savior is (God and) Smith and Wesson.

You Europeans will never understand that perhaps someone with an outside perspective who doesn't even consider himself American any more (and hasn't lived there for most of his life!) might have a more objective viewpoint that the inside manipulation and propaganda you are being subjected to from every level (including those NATO brass who smoke cigars).

Again opinions (including mine) are like assholes in that everyone has one.

I am tired of this subject matter. You all can go ahead and make your points, but please leave me out of it. Please don't address me personally on this issue and drag me back in. Just make your points and I will leave it at that.

Too much time has been wasted where I am not learning anything new and not accomplishing anything as well.

Rpietila it is very difficult for me to trust your appeal to authority when you've made egregious errors in these forums such as preaching over and over to newbies in your heavily self-moderated threads of yore that they must buy and HODL all the way from $1000 (or at least $700ish) down to $150. That has been such magnanimous advice that I should now bow at your feet. OTOH, you have been remarkably generous with me and very kind.

Rather I ask you for evidence and you give me none other than some other appeals to authority of those whom you've smoked cigars with.

I am really willing to be wrong and readily admit when someone PROVES it. But it also seems we aren't even talking about the same categories. You seem to be talking about for example military strategy and I am talking about the original point of yours which claimed that Europe has as many individualistic minded Patriots who will fight to their death for the right to be individualistically sovereign. Additionally my assertion that due to the situation over in Europe, the prognosis is much worse over there for the next 20 years. I asked anyone who can explain to me the wonderful opportunities in Europe over the next 20 years, then please do so.

So I am willing to listen, but when you move the goalposts to something which was not the original point of discussion that I entered or when you appeal to authority as evidence, or you give evidence points which I provide counter-evidence, then you get pissed off because you think I need to be helped just because I am not swayed by the lack of objective proof or strong evidence to counter my observations, then I guess it is really about control of me. Something I am doing makes you feel I need to be controlled. And of course that is precisely the top-down trait of Europeans that I hate, so if someone tries to top-down control me, then more I adamant I will become to resist control.

I can be swayed by rationality and objectivity, not by appeals to authority (unless perhaps I have very strong prior knowledge that you are such an expert and even then experts make mistakes so I will use my discernment).

You may well have a point about Europe that I could learn from. But so far I haven't seen a convincing argument from you. I have never stated the Europeans won't stand up to defend themselves. I stated that they are not able to effectively if they hadn't already stockpiled 3000 rounds of hollow point per shooter as rednecks from my birth place of the Old South have been doing. You talk about a war of attrition and occupation and that had nothing to do with my point. War of occupation is not a victory for either side. It destroys. That is very very far distinction from being locked and loaded and ready to go hot at a moment's notice and win the revolution.

Armstrong put up images of the Eastern Ukrainians fighting with wooden shields and chains as a whip. And another image of Russian paramilitary or military in Eastern Europe and Crimea. I happen to believe that the entire proxy war between Russia and USA/NATO is a planned charade by TPTB that control both countries' militaries and oligarchies (DEEP STATE). And what can those self-empowered Ukrainians do about this? Nothing.

I don't know what you've gone off the deep end on me. I had not refused your help on launching a coin. I was busy developing such technologies, one of which I am in deep discussion about over in the Altcoin Discussion forum right now. And due to apparently overeating omega 6 meat (Paleo diet) in June/July, I ended up in such bad condition that I needed to do a 10 day water only fasting in August which apparently made me worse (by further lowering my glutathione level) and sent me into an inflammatory tailspin in September which only normalized in the past days. During Aug & Sept almost no work got done. And so I immediately back on work. I can't ask you to help me capitalize a coin which is not yet developed.

I am sorry if by stereotyping Europe versus USA that offends some Europeans. I heard Europeans were always stereotyping us (or our military which is not US). Now you know what it feels like in return. But I didn't do it for personal vendetta. I am just noticing it in all my relations and observations with Europeans. Only the younger ones I know seem to be open to the concept that Europe is potentially royally fucked.

If you have some information to share with me that is independently verifiable, then I am always interested in information.

As others telling you to control me because they don't like my opinion that Armstrong isn't a criminal or what ever issue I stuck to adamantly, I can only guess what might be the true underlying subconscious and I don't want to guess.

This is a discussion thread. It means I can express my views and I can also state when I think someone has presented to me on topic (to my original point) and convincing datums or logic.

I tell you what. Let's just agree Europe and the USA are same. And then never mind. Who cares any way right. It is not important.

I have more important work to do. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next decade. Probably be like when I told you that Bitcoin was going lower from $700 and you thought I was myopic. Then when I was correct, instead of telling me so, you say I haven't been right about anything since 2008.

Perhaps what you are really trying to tell me is why can't I help or be helped in the area Crypto Kingdom since my skills are in the area of programming. And the answer is because my aspirations are much larger than a video game. Sorry I don't mean that to be condescending but I am speaking truthfully about my aspirations. Now whether I achieve them or not is unknown. And as for fund raising on a game, seems I don't see how that game relates to what I am developing.

I know this is old news, but @TPTB_need_war: PLEASE take the time to watch the video I'm attaching. At this moment, the ONLY one that has a voice of reason seems to be V. Putin and by no means I'm pro Russian. It's a 22m video which I advise everyone to watch; but in case you don't have the time (or the will), please take it fast to 18:00".

Make sure you understand FULLY what he says.

'Do you realise what you've done?' Putin addresses UNGA 2015 (FULL SPEECH)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q13yzl6k6w0

What the fuck are you banging on about ?

I thought all of the information on the web was true? Ive been living a lie! Quality of information? Whats that?

I am angered that you don't let yourself to be helped. That your perception of the quality of information sources is off so bad it hurts you. That you can't seem to appreciate that I know what I talk about when I say I do (this is a compliment, for towards 99% of people I give 0 fucks because it is evident they don't have a chance of understanding and that's all right I also don't do high jump). That (almost) nothing you have said here in the last months has added to my understanding, whereas in 2008 I owe you so much in building my basic knowledge of things. That you are wasting your precious time here. That you cannot design financial constructions to develop and monetize your ideas, and don't let anyone who can, do it, even for free and no strings attached. That I am constantly getting PM from people whom I know and appreciate (though not as well as I do you), and these people say that MS has made Anonymint "lose it" and they either propose me to "take action" (pushing a rope) or "forget about it" (I cannot forsake my friends).

rpietila what strawman?

How does anything your wrote disprove a proxy war between the Superpowers of the world?

None of that refutes my observation that Europe is fucked. And that Europeans do not have the capacity to resist a foreign power or their own government without the assistance of another foreign power. My point is one about culture and circumstance.

And I can't say for sure if socialized education helped contribute to that culture and circumstance.

I am just stating that what appears to be a clusterfuck of circumstance, socialism, and preparedness.

It all sort of goes together. I don't know whose fault it is. My posts weren't assigning blame, rather just trying to analyze what will happen over the next 20 years.

I think the USA is also in trouble, but slightly better future than Europe because the people still have some capacity to fight these clusterfucks. I am not quite clear if the Americans fighting back won't end up to be as much of a clusterfuck as the situation over in Europe, but I tend to think that 200 - 400 million guns in 150 million hands with some millions of them hard core individualists will lead to a different outcome than we are seeing in Europe.

That is all my post was about and I seem to have hit some kind of nerve with you.

I am not into top-down control over people. I don't know if that is what angered you.

Or that I just don't agree that Europe and the USA are the same in terms of circumstance (geography, ethnic, etc), socialism, and preparedness and the impacts thereof.

Just to clear the strawman attempt concerning paramilitaries.

Of course "Russia" has paramilitaries in an area that is inhabited by Russians and has been part of Russia as long as New Mexico has been a part of (Spanish) Mexico*.

Now consider the war of occupying New Mexico: do you really believe there is no right for Mexicans who don't personally live in the attacked area to not help their relatives against aggression?

We are not talking about a minor conflict - Novorossiya is about 20% of all Russians. If 50 million of US population were under threat of slaughter, it would cause feelings in the relatives as well - hardly anyone can say that nobody he knows is affected.

Why is people fighting for their lives against a foreign unwarranted and unwanted aggression by an inferior culture, wrong? You could as well say you supported the Union!  

And even if Russia comes to aid with regular forces, that is just as bad as the United States using federal army to fend off intruders in the soil of some of its states. (Which btw was hotly debated in the Confederacy, contributing to their defeat).

If Armstrong is not even touching these basics in his blog posts, it just means that he thinks they are not suitable for the audience. Believing that he is ignorant of them is implausible, we were taught them in high school (special weekend camp in global strategy, with lecturers from global think tanks, military academy etc. - oh shit how the free & socialized education is baad...)


*And 80 years longer than it has been part of the U.S. subsequently.

**Wikipedia has a decent explanation of Novorossiya's older history.

***Nothing in this is aimed to discredit the Ukrainians' right to self-rule (Ukrainians live in the "western" part of Ukraine), but fact is that such has never existed in history, and does not exist now as the Kiev government is foreign puppet. Same as Estonia has had factual self-rule about 20 years in its history 1920-1939, never before nor after. Finland's self-rule has been about 1865-1985 using the same criteria and US about 1700-1913(1990s). All these peoples should have the right to self-rule, with human rights (of the non-collectivists) uninfringed.

Well stan, I hope the Knowledge Age will represent another path for Europeans in that transformation than the clusterfuck that appears to be foisted on it now with a proxy way and the EU and religion/ethnic issues sandwiching Europe in.

But Europeans made that choice to swallow socialism whole. Maybe they had no other better choices for sustaining peace. Or maybe "you are just making excuses". I don't know which.

I wish for my friends there to be safe and prosperous. I am just trying to analyze reality, and not the fiction of our various shades of rose colored glasses. Please do feel free to point out to me the wonderful opportunities in Europe over the next 20 years? I don't want to be ignorant.

Where are your photos?

People milking newbie naive millionaires is quite common.

What I believe is that Russia and US/NATO are using Ukraine as a proxy war and the people are caught in the middle and powerless to stop it.

Also when you appeal to authority that is less convincing to me than logic that makes sense holistically and on the ground experience. To blame it all on US/NATO shows a colorful authority had influence on you.

Because other people are reading this thread and they can learn from productive and detrimental ways of doing things.

I base my findings off of photos of Russian paramilitaries in Eastern Ukraine that Armstrong's on-the-ground sources provided.

Why must you continue to be so condescending?

I am digging for the Armstrong blog posts. Adding them here as I find them:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/20450




http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/19030

klee the attitude of gun rights advocates in the USA is that the correct way to prevent conflict is to arm the citizenry because it is very difficult to attack a land with a AR-15 under every blade of grass. It was the unarmed citizenry that allowed the Yugoslavian massacres for example. Afair, once the USA military threatened to bomb the shit out the Serbs, they finally came to the negotiating table.

I think I read recently about there is still some small portion that is effectively controlled by Turkey because Turkey installed its settlers there during a prior occupation.

I agree that the USA's relative isolation in terms of only a blue Navy can really threaten it and then adversaries have no way to project enough power for a land invasion against a gun under every blade of grass, means the USA has a favorable circumstances under which Americans can feel guns are more for protection against their own government than from a foreign power.

It is funny to observe that you are so perceptibly angry yet all you wrote agrees with what I wrote. Indeed the Europeans strive for a political and socialist harmony for numerous historical reasons apparently. I never stated the reasons don't exist, rather I just stated what I observed to be the case, which you have not refuted.

How many times have I stated that Americans just want to be left to their own devices. Whereas, Europeans see a need for a collective solution (organized consultations instead of individual disorganized action). In fact in past posts (long ago) I have mentioned geography as as a strong reason for differences between Europe and the USA.

My purpose has been to analyze where I would invest and where I would choose to relocate too. And the conclusion I came to is any where but Europe, because they are caught between intractable socialism economics (a bribe to try to hold the peace, e.g. Turkey's entrance into the EU supported by Greece), insoluble demographics (feminism and humanism to the max), or ethnic/religious war.

My suggestion has been to get the hell out of Europe if you can. I don't see how it can get better. Do you?

I heard that they say so in jewmedia  

Sorry, we can have intelligent conversations in subjects where both have experience level somewhat in the ballpark.

As for mine, regarding the Ukrainian conflict:
- I funded the main Finnish independent news outlet for a whole year since the start of the conflict, during which time the reporters visited both Kiev/Maidan and Donbass many times and I was offered firsthand info (which I turned down because I could not utilize it anyway, just wanted the info to be available for all as a counterweight to the jewmedia that controls every single national outlet in Finland).
- I have also had personal dinner with cigars with the owner of a manor in Estonia in his place, which was even decorated with NATO symbols, this person was instrumental in the independence of Estonia from Soviet Union and the NATO influence here 25 years ago (Estonia was couped to NATO in the same way that was attempted in Ukraine, with the difference that Russia could not fight back in 1991). Since then he has served as NATO intelligence chief in known conflict areas, Estonian parliament and many other places I am not inclined to find out.
- I know current and former MP's and cabinet members and Euro-MP's, in many countries, some personally. (Not to mention CEOs of public companies etc. etc.)
- These provide interesting insight which can be amended to the knowledge received from google search (which completely feeds you what they think is best).

So please, I don't find it funny that you are trolling with this any longer: I am not even asking if you have any of the credentials above because your writing so glaringly reveals the answer.

All I want, as a result of finding out all this, is to have the wisdom that enables me to design a better system: see Crypto Kingdom for my latest attempt.

And before you post some more BS make a google search (that you love) to find when Greece was last at war.

Also, when we had the last victims from hostile Turkish action even if in 'peace' time...

Long story short, in European lands people are ALWAYS in war - in US after civil war there is no blood in the land.

Go figure who has more Kampfbereit attitude..

Maybe because they are burned, sick and tired of ALL these centuries of conflict, war, blood, GUNS, discord etc?

Mind that Europe (especially Balkans) and Middle East are the places with the biggest historical depth and most bloody ethnic/politistical/religious conflicts (China was far more homogenous).

Also, when you say Europe you have to understand that there are many Europes - like Balkans and Mediterranean countries, former Easter block, Teutonic, etc etc

Finally don't be naive that Europeans don't have guns - they have maybe more than US citizens in certain places. Do you really think that in Balkans not 1 out of 2 people don't have AT LEAST one shot gun?

Kalashnikov's are abundant too I can assure you.

Europeans don't need to 'fight' like naive Americans for laws regarding guns - they either have in secrecy or not. Try a trip to Crete and you will be convinced. It is almost an independent state.

You are a google search polymath (like in medicine/biology & probably maths, cryptography, programming etc). Same applies for your knowledge in Europe.

 

rpietila,

I read that East Ukraine was being funded, trained, supported, and infiltrated by Russian paramilitaries.

Hitler sliced through many nations of Europe with ease.

I am writing about the will, means, and philosophy to turn away from socialism and toward individualism. Europe is not doing that. How can you accuse me of generalizations when I write factually.

Europeans are not fighting for gun rights for example. They don't mind the overly restrictive gun laws. Some Americans are fighting every day about this. Instead they are fighting over political organization of socialism, such as fairness, taxing the rich or not, and austerity.

You even said yourself that Europe is more socialist. The part we disagreed about is you think Europe has equivalent numbers of individualist-minded people as the USA and ask you to please prove that to me, because I haven't seen it yet.

Even Eastern Ukraine was not an individualist result. Eastern Ukrainians are fighting over whether they join Kiev or Russia. They are not fighting for their sovereignty. All the Europeans want to join some bigger political system to gain what they perceive to be advantages that come from larger collectives.