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August 13, 2015, 05:50:13 AM
The rent that the gov collects will anyway go to [plutocracy], as we all know 95% of the taxes is wasted on bureocracy and [plutocracy] and only 5% is distributed efficiently.

This is the big waste what [plutocracy] gives to us.

I dont think its pure oligarchy, as pure oligarchy would be business oriented, while this system is more theft oriented and pleasing the masses.

Its about a mixture of socialists in the lower ranks, and ultra rich in the higher ranks. At best I would call it socialist oligarchy.

Most of the taxes don't go directly to the wealthy, they get absorbed by low level minion politicians and the inefficient local corrupt bribed ones, or just simple go wasted on unnecessary projects

(Hence the 2004 Athens olympics which led to the construction of enormous stadiums , from an already low budget, for some stupid games, which then led to the whole country go bankrupt few years later.)

For "theft" (RealBitcoin ) to exist, "private property" (RealBitcoin) must also exist. Your hypothetical, however, does not admit "private property"; therefore, the argument cited above (immediately) is absurd.



Yea but we have to adhere to concepts even if they dont exist in real world. I could say that you don't exist because you are just a collection of cells, and you don't exist as a human.

But we know that in reality we can interpret things that are not necessarly real, but they help our every day lives and association with nature.

Thus private property, however you put it, is valid, and it's a civilized way to organize humanity.

(Unless you wanna go back to hunter gathering communities, which I don't)


For what reason would the ruler of a fiefdom (or any other violence monopolist) allow a peasant to own land?

Because even a vicous ruler realizes that the longterm benefits overwegith the short one. It's immediate profit if you rob a farm owner of all his crops.
But if you rob him only 1% every year, you get more from him long term, plus he wont rebell against you.

Of course the ruler of the fiefdom only maintains his power over the vassal with force, however if the farm owner would own the land he must also protect it. Thus the monopoly of force wouldn't change, but it would transfer from illegitimate owner, to legitimate owner, and thus decentralize power.

Capitalism doesn't eliminate force, it just decentralizes it.

You know "with great power comes great responsibility", but nobody with great power has responsibility, thus nobody should have great power.


Art is the greatest "sign of civilization" (RealBitcoin) bar none.

Art like gladiator slaves fighting in a colosseum? That was art once.

While with private property, and some morals mixed in (slave owners are not capitalists who own property, they are criminals, because humans cannot be property according to some moral principles)



Individuals have no need of "skyscrapers[] and massive projects" (RealBitcoin). Therefore, one does not contribute to the construction of these for, directly, the sake itself.

Yes they do because some level or organization is always needed in society. But on their own they cannot achieve that, so it becomes a group effort.
The same way , I cannot build a car alone, i need other people's help, and I`ll pay for it.

Distribution of labour is also a sign of civilization, which moved us away from primitive hunter gatherer society.

And only capitalism and free market can distribute labour efficiently.

The printing money scheme allocates resources very poorly, mostly into the elite hands, what would never happen in a free market enviroment.



"[R]ights" (RealBitcoin) are legal constructs and, thus, are arbitrary without an appeal to an external source of non-arbitrariness.

Thats why judges exist that define the limits of the rights and obligations. Of course with the advent of blockchain technologies, arbitrariness becomes less and less necessary, and things become more and more well-defined.

EX: Private property = Your own thoughts (which is obviously private) containing your private key (which nobody knows about it) = Material posession in the external world in the form of bitcoins.

I dont think the world can be defined with bayesian point of view ever. It's not like we will replace human judges with an AI or something, but if the corruption in the justice system becomes too big, it might come a day when we will be forced to.



"[Non-plutocrats] live in this [mediocre] world as [non-plutocrats] live in now" (RealBitcoin) because these reside under "government by the wealthy" (Merriam-Webster).

Thats not all true, I say again, the top 0.001% elite hardly governs actively, they are more passive governing, and only care about their money, and less about population politics. Which could intersect at some levels, but they rarely do.

Most banks are occupied with giving out credits and financial services to multiply their wealths.

While the real governors, are usually rich, but below 1 billion $, a politician might collect a few million $ if he is in the game for longer period, but you hardly see politicians with 1 billion $.

Thus the politicians who directly make the laws (where small % of the laws were ordered by their puppet masters, and large % of the laws are made by their own wishes or the wishes of their voters) are responsible for the problems caused in the economy.
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August 12, 2015, 10:18:49 PM
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In retrospect, I agree.

But, 2008 was a very scary time.  NO ONE knew what would happen.  Many of us (my self included) were very worried.

And as N. N. Taleb explains (in his masterpiece books The Black Swan and Antifragile), it is impossible to really look at the past and what might happen after certain decisions going into the future.  Like putting the milk spill back into the glass the way it was before...
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August 12, 2015, 07:17:35 PM
Yep, socialism is a collective of lazy thieves that like to steal from more productive others.

Potential owners are deprived of actual ownership in that same manner possible states of a particle (herein, a quantum mechanical “probability wave”) are denied realization upon the collapse (here, quantum mechanical) of that particle.

It would seem, therefore, that both any and every economic system that features possession and “product[ion]” (RealBitcoin) is, therefor, a “socialism” (RealBitcoin).

Sounds about right though.

The form of socialism I saw in 2008 financial banking crisis was the banks getting a bail out thats pretty much socialism to its max.

True form of capitalism would be letting it fail.
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August 12, 2015, 07:10:19 PM
The rent that the gov collects will anyway go to [plutocracy], as we all know 95% of the taxes is wasted on bureocracy and [plutocracy] and only 5% is distributed efficiently.

This is the big waste what [plutocracy] gives to us.

(Had you posted the above...)


See without a system where private property is admitted, we would all be lazy thieves dieing of hunger.

For "theft" (RealBitcoin ) to exist, "private property" (RealBitcoin) must also exist. Your hypothetical, however, does not admit "private property"; therefore, the argument cited above (immediately) is absurd.


Why would a farmer waste 1-2 years of his life to work on the crops, if he knows that the farmland is not his land and anytime thieves will gang on him and steal all his products.

For what reason would the ruler of a fiefdom (or any other violence monopolist) allow a peasant to own land?


Private property is the sign of civilization, weather you like it or not.

Art is the greatest "sign of civilization" (RealBitcoin) bar none.


You just cannot have a civilization with big projects like skyscrapers, and massive projects, without the notion of private property. Because private property gives you relative certainty in an uncertain world.

Individuals have no need of "skyscrapers[] and massive projects" (RealBitcoin). Therefore, one does not contribute to the construction of these for, directly, the sake itself.


Private property also comes with self defence, and other important rights.

"[R]ights" (RealBitcoin) are legal constructs and, thus, are arbitrary without an appeal to an external source of non-arbitrariness.


These [plutocrats] think they can manage [seven] billion people, and eliminate greed and envy from them, which is obviously impossible. Thats why we live in this shit world as we live in now.

"[Non-plutocrats] live in this [mediocre] world as [non-plutocrats] live in now" (RealBitcoin) because these reside under "government by the wealthy" (Merriam-Webster).
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August 12, 2015, 02:54:29 AM
In my country [sixty percent] of the farmland is left empty, because the government doesn't want to privatize. Instead of privatizing it, they just let it state property and not use it.

If the supply of food increased (and the demand therefor remained unchanged) then food prices would decrease. I would, both therefore and for the report cited above, imagine “Big-Agra” (i.e., plutocrats) are responsible for “the lion’s share” of “food production” “n [your] country” (RealBitcoin).

They already are, they are renting out the government farmlands, and working on that.

However the rest of it is left untouched, which is a waste of natural resources.

If food prices are low now, it could be double lower, if more farmland were used.

Also the rented farmland is a stupidity, they pay rent to the gov so that they can work on it, but that only drives prices up.

If they would sell the land to them, then they would not have to pay rent and they could sell the food on even lower prices.

The rent that the gov collects will anyway go to corruption, as we all know 95% of the taxes is wasted on bureocracy and corruption and only 5% is distributed efficiently.

This is the big waste what socialism gives to us.

Yep, socialism is a collective of lazy thieves that like to steal from more productive others.

Potential owners are deprived of actual ownership in that same manner possible states of a particle (herein, a quantum mechanical “probability wave”) are denied realization upon the collapse (here, quantum mechanical) of that particle.

It would seem, therefore, that both any and every economic system that features possession and “product[ion]” (RealBitcoin) is, therefor, a “socialism” (RealBitcoin).

Alright but whatever you prove here that private property is not a real phenomenon, we still need to work around it.

See without a system where private property is admitted, we would all be lazy thieves dieing of hunger.


Why would a farmer waste 1-2 years of his life to work on the crops, if he knows that the farmland is not his land and anytime thieves will gang on him and steal all his products. Private property is the sign of civilization, weather you like it or not.

You just cannot have a civilization with big projects like skyscrapers, and massive projects, without the notion of private property. Because private property gives you relative certainty in an uncertain world.

Private property also comes with self defence, and other important rights.

These socialists think they can manage 7 billion people, and eliminate greed and envy from them, which is obviously impossible. Thats why we live in this shit world as we live in now.
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August 11, 2015, 06:35:28 PM
In my country [sixty percent] of the farmland is left empty, because the government doesn't want to privatize. Instead of privatizing it, they just let it state property and not use it.

If the supply of food increased (and the demand therefor remained unchanged) then food prices would decrease. I would, both therefore and for the report cited above, imagine “Big-Agra” (i.e., plutocrats) are responsible for “the lion’s share” of “food production” “n [your] country” (RealBitcoin).
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August 11, 2015, 06:27:27 PM
Yep, socialism is a collective of lazy thieves that like to steal from more productive others.

Potential owners are deprived of actual ownership in that same manner possible states of a particle (herein, a quantum mechanical “probability wave”) are denied realization upon the collapse (here, quantum mechanical) of that particle.

It would seem, therefore, that both any and every economic system that features possession and “product[ion]” (RealBitcoin) is, therefor, a “socialism” (RealBitcoin).
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August 11, 2015, 05:53:11 AM
Yea but c`mon we live in the 21 century, we transcended already our lack-of-technology based cultural/human needs.

You are missing the point of the cultural legacy gradually feeds into what we have now.

The root of what you see now derives from history of the culture.

Go study the fertility map on Europe and you will see it nearly mirrors the historic Hajnal line, with France the exception due to learning how to use socialism to steal from employers to give women the right to work when they are the worst candidate for the job.

I think you really didn't study all my links and think deeply.

You can stop the huge red text please. It is annoying. CoinCube and I started this thread, and I don't appeciate you thinking you can just shout your opinions in huge red text. Please act civil.
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August 11, 2015, 05:47:09 AM
Well you have...

Yea but c`mon we live in the 21 century, we transcended already our lack-of-technology based cultural/human needs.

In my country 60% of the farmland is left empty, because the government doesn't want to privatize. Instead of privatizing it, they just let it state property and not use it.


Clean Capitalism is the only tool that can save us. With an efficient stock market (not even bank loans are needed,or minimal loans, but certainly no central bank) and a free economy, you can get instant investments in farming and resolve the world hunger in like 5 years.

With massive subsidy, border controls, capital controls, and nasty money printing policies you only drive economy into the pitfall.

Socialists are the reason why the economy is so backwarded, everything is controlled and subsidized, even the crap job.


Only the government can run a bankrupt company for 10 years, the case in my country with the railways, a private company has to reform its business or face material losses.

The government just simply raises the taxes. It's inefficient, horrible, and non-productive.

So you guys cry about Greece, Puerto Rico, Chicago and Detroit being bankrupt? What if I tell you that:

Every state owned company is insolvent everywhere in the world, because the state is the only entity that can run a failed business perpetually.
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August 11, 2015, 05:17:32 AM
Well you have AnonyMint (me), your walking encyclopedia at your service...

Asians are also collectivists, for i dont know what reason.

It is because rice cultivation is labor intensive and need collectives to manage collective irrigation:

http://news.virginia.edu/content/rice-theory-explains-north-south-china-cultural-differences-study-shows

http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/rice-vs-wheat-people-crops-yield-different-traits-140508.htm

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/10/transportation-divergence-and.html

http://blog.jim.com/politics/why-east-asians-vote-democrat/

That is why for Asians it is always what is best for the community that is paramount. You never stick you head up too high above the poppy seeds.

So it can be a genetic thing, but also a cultural one.

It is probably environmental. Before the last Little Ice Age, Europe had the perfect environment (it was warmer then than now, they grew strawberries in England!), nearly completely devoid of natural disasters such as tornados, hurricanes, drought, and earthquakes. That is probably why the population ballooned and the Dark Age extended for so long because there were too many farm works to justify inventing industrialization. The Black Death solved that problem killing off 60% of Europe's population and suddenly the Industrial Age was born.

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2013/11/european-asian-divergence-predates.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2012/05/30/whats-really-behind-europes-decline-its-the-birth-rates-stupid/
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Fertility_statistics_in_relation_to_economy,_parity,_education_and_migration

That population explosion in Europe with very productive wheat production requiring not much labor, creating a situation where women were encouraged to not marry early:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line



And that folks is why Europeans hate children until now. It is ingrained in them from the suffering Europeans went through. They suffered from their own fortune of having a great climate and an efficient grain production.

What did in France was make it impossible to refuse a women work nor to fire her, no matter how bad she is at the job, and thus they subsidized fertility at the cost of driving their economy towards bankruptcy. They basically bribed the women:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/21/france-population-europe-fertility-rate

http://www.mondaq.com/x/38434/New+French+Equal+Opportunities+Law+Limits+Use+of+Candidate+Data+in+Recruitment+Process

It is going to fail spectacularly for France.

http://blog.jim.com/politics/the-reason-that-women-need-to-be-subordinated-for-successful-reproduction/

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3000

http://blog.jim.com/culture/the-false-life-plan/
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August 11, 2015, 02:46:07 AM
Indeed a human is just an animal with a slightly higher level of reasoning. If you offer the animal unlimited free, addictive food (e.g. sugar or MSG laden), it eats and eats until it dies of obesity. Would you like to McUpSize that.

Mancur Olsen's The Logic of Collective Action explains this well.

In Europe the McUpSize has been on humanism rather than America's fatfood craze ("you are a liberated woman in control of your own body and that is why you can fuck anything you want to including but limited to you another woman's tongue and never bear offspring"). Europeans see themselves as more sophisticated socialist pigs.

The only way I can envision to squelch this phenomenon is to make it economically impossible to form top-down enforced collectives larger than a local community, i.e. remove the capability to form a power vacuum of control that must be filled by power (with corruption being naturally the most powerful mode). Local community reputation (within our Dunbar limit) naturally contain abusive excesses ("you are a fat lardass", "you are a disgusting dyke" says your neighbor). All my work on making anonymous decentralized crypto, is about making it impossible for a collective to exist per Max Weber's canonical definition, "State is a monopoly on the use of force".

I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad

Individuals can't do that much bad against a society where citizens can carry guns.

Rather it is the collective organization of individuals that empowers the State to have the might to enact horrific megadeath.

Yea europeans (I am european but i`m exception) have a highly sensitive social belonging crave. I see this is almost every country I visited, and not just in old people, but in every age group. Europe is collectivist by genetics.

Americans are more freedom and individual oriented, after all they went in 1700-1800 there from various places of the world. In Europe there were already welfare states in the 1800s, and they left to America just because they had individual freedom and economic freedom. So in my view American culture is higher one, unfortunately, they are social engineering it into a pitfall with all these stupid things that come out.

Africans are more tribal oriented, could be leftist or not, but alteast they focus more on family and localism, so its also a better local community focus and hardly care about the big picture.

Asians are also collectivists, for i dont know what reason.

So it can be a genetic thing, but also a cultural one.

The only way I can envision to squelch this phenomenon is to make it economically impossible to form top-down enforced collectives larger than a local community, i.e. remove the capability to form a power vacuum of control that must be filled by power (with corruption being naturally the most powerful mode).

In my view you can never get rid of leftists, its just part of human nature. But what can you do is to decentralize them. Instead of a giant zombie collective controlling all our lives with rabid greed and envy, if you decentralize leftism into local community pockets, it can become much manageable, and more responsible.

Take for example a leftist village, if the peasants get very lazy, and they dont work on the crops, they die of hunger, but if they get outside welfare from the next village, they will survive, and they will be lazy aswell.

But if you dont give them help, and let the village do what they can to survive, then even though you will still find 2-3 lazy peasant, the rest of them will work, and because of social pressure, outcasting, and perhaps severe criticism, they will begin eventually to work.

See some people never grow up, 30-40-50-60 year old people acting like 5 year olds, they might need some "parents" who straighten them out.


So in my example above, if you create many leftist villages that manage themselves by social pressure and outcasting lazy peasants who dont work, then you can achieve a much reasonable society, than with global socialism, where I pay for people 3000 km away to eat and drink and watch TV all day from their lazy unemployed asses, and they don't even mail me a letter saying "Thanks bro"...

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August 10, 2015, 10:49:10 PM
Those of us in the US may have a solution...

It is called "a new currency"!

https://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/indorsed-bill-remedy/
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August 10, 2015, 07:37:56 PM
Indeed a human is just an animal with a slightly higher level of reasoning. If you offer the animal unlimited free, addictive food (e.g. sugar or MSG laden), it eats and eats until it dies of obesity. Would you like to McUpSize that.

Mancur Olsen's The Logic of Collective Action explains this well.

In Europe the McUpSize has been on humanism rather than America's fatfood craze ("you are a liberated woman in control of your own body and that is why you can fuck anything you want to including but limited to you another woman's tongue and never bear offspring"). Europeans see themselves as more sophisticated socialist pigs.

The only way I can envision to squelch this phenomenon is to make it economically impossible to form top-down enforced collectives larger than a local community, i.e. remove the capability to form a power vacuum of control that must be filled by power (with corruption being naturally the most powerful mode). Local community reputation (within our Dunbar limit) naturally contain abusive excesses ("you are a fat lardass", "you are a disgusting dyke" says your neighbor). All my work on making anonymous decentralized crypto, is about making it impossible for a collective to exist per Max Weber's canonical definition, "State is a monopoly on the use of force".

I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad

Individuals can't do that much bad against a society where citizens can carry guns.

Rather it is the collective organization of individuals that empowers the State to have the might to enact horrific megadeath.
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August 10, 2015, 02:23:16 PM
In addition to the masses using socialism to steal from the productive. You also have the financial elite 0.01% stealing from everyone via debasement of the fiat currency and the use of 0% interest loans to capture desirable income producing assets.

It is natural for members of the lower classes to argue for redistribution when they (correctly) see that they are being stolen from by powerful economic players and a system that favors existing capital over labor.

The desire for more socialism and more redistribution is a natural backlash to a fraudulent economic system. We live in a system designed to redistribute wealth away the masses. The subsequent demand for more socialism and redistribution is a sad but predictable response. 

Theft is not a universal human instinct but revenge is. The masses are not entirely stupid. They realize they are getting screwed over by the status quo. They just do not understand how or why so they reach for socialism as a form of justice.

It's more deeper than that, it's in the human DNA, when a caveman successfully hunted a mamooth, and his neighbor only hunted a boar, he felt anger and envy, so he decided to steal the pray from his fellow, because he felt entitled to it.

Theft is basically the manifestation of envy. And envy is one of the most destructive human characteristics there is.

Of course the poor people will envy rich, that would happen in any society, but instead of improving themselves and joining them, they alienate them, and feel hostility towards them, anger, and then they want to steal from them.

Of course the elite are not stupid people, to be a billionaire you just simply cannot have an IQ under 140, and the elite like to play divide & conquer.

Instead of them being the prey, they will just use the middle class as the forever pray to loot on from.


So the middle class will get looted by both angry poor people, and the rich people, using them as human shield to save their wealths.



Fiat based economics and fractional reserve facilitates a failure of fitness and enables centralization of capital at the expense of labor. This position of concentrated capital and economic power allows for the capture of government and regulatory bodies. This capture grants the ability to deter economic threats that would otherwise disperse and degrade sclerotic capital. The masses respond to their subsequent poverty by demanding more government aid and more redistribution which weakens potential opposition from the productive upper middle class and lower rungs of the wealthy. The net result is the destruction of political opposition and a strengthening of the tools available to cement oligarchic control.

The natural outcome appears to be significant suppression of economic growth, accelerating transition to oligarchic control, bankruptcy of the nation states, and forced political consolidation across national borders.

Keynesian economics, is the perfect economic theory for democracy. Democracy is a fundamentally flawed and rotten system, which is based on bribery of the masses/ or politicians, and on massive propaganda.

"The People" are selfish, and greedy, they all want free stuff now, and dont care about tomorrow's consequences!

You cannot give free stuff away, so this cleptocratic fiat printing press system needed to be introduced. Sure give them free stuff until the next election, and take it all away in 10-15 years when they wont remember it, with all their savings and assets aswell.
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August 10, 2015, 12:43:49 PM
Yep, socialism is a collective of lazy thieves that like to steal from more productive others. While thieves take their own risk at stealing and being caught.

Socialists eliminate the risk of theft by using the government as their tool to get what they want.

More welfare? More subsidy? More Pensions? More child subsidy? More unemployment benefits? More free stuff?

No problem there is a taxman, that does all that job for you, and you dont have to worry of beight caught stealing.


It a very horrible upside-down world we live it, but that is where democracy leads. "The People" only want to steal from eachother.


I guess theft is a basic human instinct Cheesy


In addition to the masses using socialism to steal from the productive. You also have the financial elite 0.01% stealing from everyone via debasement of the fiat currency and the use of 0% interest loans to capture desirable income producing assets.

It is natural for members of the lower classes to argue for redistribution when they (correctly) see that they are being stolen from by powerful economic players and a system that favors existing capital over labor.

The desire for more socialism and more redistribution is a natural backlash to a fraudulent economic system. We live in a system designed to redistribute wealth away the masses. The subsequent demand for more socialism and redistribution is a sad but predictable response.  

Theft is not a universal human instinct but revenge is. The masses are not entirely stupid. They realize they are getting screwed over by the status quo. They just do not understand how or why so they reach for socialism as a form of justice.

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“We don't realize we are stealing from each other (and ourself) via failure of fitness when we pool and centralize our capital with debt, bonds, insurance, and centralized governance, then we are astonished that the system steals, express consternation, deny culpability, and thus reach for ‘solutions’ which are more of the same poison.”

Fiat based economics and fractional reserve facilitates a failure of fitness and enables centralization of capital at the expense of labor. This position of concentrated capital and economic power allows for the capture of government and regulatory bodies. This capture grants the ability to deter economic threats that would otherwise disperse and degrade sclerotic capital. The masses respond to their subsequent poverty by demanding more government aid and more redistribution which weakens potential opposition from the productive upper middle class and lower rungs of the wealthy. The net result is the destruction of political opposition and a strengthening of the tools available to cement oligarchic control.

The natural outcome appears to be significant suppression of economic growth, accelerating transition to oligarchic control, bankruptcy of the nation states, and forced political consolidation across national borders.
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August 09, 2015, 12:51:53 PM
RealBitcoin, you attributed my statement about socialist pigs to username18333. I wrote that, not him.


Oh ok, sorry about that, wanna respond to my post i made to you?
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August 09, 2015, 01:31:17 AM

Ah man your language is so complicated why you talk like that?

Let me put it more concisely. You socialist pigs want a world that steals for you.

Yep, socialism is a collective of lazy thieves that like to steal from more productive others. While thieves take their own risk at stealing and being caught.

Socialists eliminate the risk of theft by using the government as their tool to get what they want.

More welfare? More subsidy? More Pensions? More child subsidy? More unemployment benefits? More free stuff?

No problem there is a taxman, that does all that job for you, and you dont have to worry of beight caught stealing.


It a very horrible upside-down world we live it, but that is where democracy leads. "The People" only want to steal from eachother.


I guess theft is a basic human instinct Cheesy
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August 08, 2015, 08:57:36 PM
Some people don't comprehend that economics determines whether nuclear war can be effective.
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August 08, 2015, 04:04:28 PM
Edit: what I am trying to accomplish is that we can get economies-of-scale on fungible money and knowledge internet on the internet (the large community) while adding decentralization (end-to-end principle) and anonymity, so that we have the economies-of-scale of large community while also enabling our local community to resist the subjugation of degrees-of-freedom by the power vacuum of the collective. I believe if we can achieve this, we will have a glorious Knowledge Age. Whether I am correct or not, it is this ideal that is pushing me to work so hard at age 50. Hope some people will join if I can get something tangible completed.

Unless your "internet" (TPTB_need_war) could down nuclear warheads (and every other element of a modern, national armament), your "communit[ies]" (TPTB_need_war) would remain subject to physical authority.
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