Economic effects after Russia blocks Facebook, Twitter, etc.! - page 3.

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Quote from: examplens on March 05, 2022, 03:44:18 PM

the main purpose of the sanctions is to force the Russian people to cancel their support for Putin. all the restrictions so far have been aimed at them.

Even if they cancel support for Putin, they'll be arrested for what they're standing for. Too bad that the Russian people doesn't have a choice. Despite that they like to cancel and stop supporting Putin, they're forced to do it because they're at risk of being jailed.
It has now come to this point that Putin should realize that he's doing no good to his people and he's just pushing his own agenda against Ukraine.

It was the after-war effect. Even people who weren't involved in the war felt it. More and more people will be affected by the war. This will probably be worse than what China will experience due to social media restrictions for its citizens. Even though they may still be using a VPN, it won't be long since they might get caught by the government.

It is difficult for the Russian people because they struggle to survive and are still forced to keep supporting Putin. Putin is truly on the verge of trouble with the war he has started.

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Yes they are using VPNs. If you go and look at the most downloaded app by country you will see a big shift from regular apps like Facebook or Twitter to pretty much mostly VPNs.

Wonder how the VPN will handle this. They are a medium however depending what country they are located in, that country might have sanctions and if they do they will most likely have to abide by the rules.

Another issue is how will they pay for the VPN since credit cards are blocked in their country.

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Quote from: examplens on March 05, 2022, 03:44:18 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 05, 2022, 02:14:26 PM

It is painful because citizens that has nothing to do with the war are hugely affected. If it's just about messaging, AFAIK, they still have their own social network which is the vk.com and they can still talk about everything there.
But with the big impact of these bans on popular social medias, the revenue that their country might get from this and those that have businesses running on those platforms, they are truly affected.

the main purpose of the sanctions is to force the Russian people to cancel their support for Putin. all the restrictions so far have been aimed at them.

Even if they cancel support for Putin, they'll be arrested for what they're standing for. Too bad that the Russian people doesn't have a choice. Despite that they like to cancel and stop supporting Putin, they're forced to do it because they're at risk of being jailed.
It has now come to this point that Putin should realize that he's doing no good to his people and he's just pushing his own agenda against Ukraine.

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Quote from: cheezcarls on March 05, 2022, 08:46:07 AM

I have amazing crypto friends from Russia, and I even met some of them in person before the pandemic began. Now it means that they are going to use VPN in order to access Facebook and Twitter. I just feel bad and sorry for them. I don’t know what is going on with the Russian media regulator’s head right now. Maybe he was ordered by Putin or so.

Russia is simply responding to sanctions, and it is logical that it will ban everything they can, although any Russian citizen can still circumvent such a ban by using VPN (which can be an additional cost), or perhaps by using TOR (although I don't know if those services work through that browser). In addition, Russia has its own version of FB, I think it's called VKontakte and has a very large number of users.

Quote from: cheezcarls on March 05, 2022, 08:46:07 AM

I don’t know what would be your opinion about this guys. It pains me to be honest, as I’ve already felt what they’re feeling right now in getting isolated from the world.

I sympathize with all those who are against the war and who are protesting in Russia, but for a country of 150 million people, there are very few who oppose the war - and whether the reason is that they support it or fear their dictator remains a question. Although sanctions will not affect what Russia is doing in Ukraine in the short term, they must be ruthless and without exception. I am quite sure that the people in Ukraine are much worse than those in Russia, and the Russian machine must be weakened and stopped in some way - otherwise, some other countries will be attacked, and then we will not be able to avoid a world war.

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People who really need it for work or something important will just use a VPN or tor. Imo problems with payments will be far more concerning. Lots of employers would rather find a new worker than consider paying in crypto.

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I find that mutual punishment is not an effective solution to peace. Showing strength to each other will only add to the tension. What people need right now is to get back to life as normally as possible. There is no epidemic, war... But let's see how the leadership acts, and we can only wait if nothing can be done.

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Quote from: cheezcarls on March 05, 2022, 08:46:07 AM

Now this is getting worse, especially for the ordinary and innocent Russian citizens who are already suffering economic problems! They don’t deserve this to be honest, just like what China did to their citizens!

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-blocks-facebook-twitter/

A huge blow for the citizens, foreigners and overseas workers who worked there using FB and Twitter as their main source of communication to the rest of the world. As the economy continues to collapse in Russia due to the ongoing conflict between Putin’s government and Ukraine. Not sure if they are also banning Messenger, Whatsapp and Instagram since it’s part of Meta.

I have amazing crypto friends from Russia, and I even met some of them in person before the pandemic began. Now it means that they are going to use VPN in order to access Facebook and Twitter. I just feel bad and sorry for them. I don’t know what is going on with the Russian media regulator’s head right now. Maybe he was ordered by Putin or so.

There are also Filipinos who are working there as OFWs in Russia. Not only that they are struggling to send remittances to their families because of the stiff sanctions made by the West (especially taking off SWIFT), they are going to find it difficult to communicate to their loved ones and friends.

This decision alone in blocking social media sites would make the economy go even worse in my opinion!

I don’t know what would be your opinion about this guys. It pains me to be honest, as I’ve already felt what they’re feeling right now in getting isolated from the world.

Blocking social networks is not the biggest problem, although nothing good will come from creating information isolation from the outside world. What creates more problems is that many companies stop supplying their products, which allowed people to work and make a living with it.

Here are some (I looked into the IT field, but of course, other areas are also experiencing difficulties.) of the examples:
- Microsoft stops selling its products and services.
- Adobe (Photoshop, Illustrator,etc) stops selling its products and services.
- Developers from all over the world are discussing the need to disable GitHub in Russia.
- Airbnb stops working on the Russian territory.

- Dell, Lenovo, Cisco Systems Inc, Apple, Intel, AMD, Ericsson, HP, Intel and many others stopped supplying their products.

This list is expanding every day with new companies from different fields.

Now even buying a working PC or laptop is impossible. It is also impossible to purchase the necessary software for work. It is impossible to rent housing for living and working. How can people make a living in these conditions? And it looks like this is just the beginning.

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Economic effects of Russia blocking FB and Twitter?What economic effects?Most of the people aren't making money via social media websites.They just use social media for communication and wasting their free time.If FB,Twitter,Whatsapp,Instagram and Messenger get blocked,there are alternatives.Telegram still isn't blocked and what about Discord or Slack.They could use the Tor network as an alternative as well.I'm sure that Facebook bans users for using VPNs.
Not all Russian banks are excluded from SWIFT.The Filipino workers in Russia could simply switch the bank,or even use crypto(if they know how to use it).
The power of all those western sanctions is a little bit exaggerated.They will damage the Russian economy,but I don't think that they will trigger some kind of economic disaster in Russia.

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It gets worse. Today a few hours ago. Visa and MasterCard shut down their services in all of Russia. Don’t know how it is there but in North America, everybody pays with credit cards because it’s secure, fast and you get to collect points. So now everybody in Russia won’t be able to pay this way.

Businesses will suffer. And many citizens will suffer also. These sanctions I think are really going to upset the Russian people and they are doing this to they hopefully rebel against Putin and put a stop to this war so everything is reversed.

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Quote from: kaya11 on March 05, 2022, 07:28:30 PM

It is the time for them to use their own social applications I guess. There are ways for them to communicate aside from Facebook and messenger. Another is there are so many programmers in Russia and they could've geeked it out. The government is doing all it can to stop people getting information about the outside world. The citizens in Russia in prone in propaganda right now, so anything like Facebook could instigate it, that is a reason to block it.

The situation is not favorable if you are not a Russian yourself and just staying in Russia, for work or other reasons. You can always find a way how to communicate in outside world but how about the financial aspect? Like for example, if you are working in this country and you want to send remittance to your family outside. Since there are financial sanctions in Russia, your options are limited. So in this case, I believe people need to learn how to transact crypto. Because with the presence of internet, they can send crypto to their families outside without using third party financial system.

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It is the time for them to use their own social applications I guess. There are ways for them to communicate aside from Facebook and messenger. Another is there are so many programmers in Russia and they could've geeked it out. The government is doing all it can to stop people getting information about the outside world. The citizens in Russia in prone in propaganda right now, so anything like Facebook could instigate it, that is a reason to block it.

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To be fair twitter or facebook is not really that important for the ordinary Russian citizen. If you have a business there, that is heavily based on Russians being on facebook or twitter or whatever, then it would impact you, but most of these goes back to rich people anyway, even the smaller business owner that relies on this could find a Russian alternative, but the big media companies would have to be the ones that got hurt the most out of this.

Aside from that, there are so many more wrong things, the worst I have heard was Russian students getting kicked out of some schools in Europe. If you are a child of an oligarch that supports Putin, then I would understand but aside from that, there is absolutely no reason for such a thing.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 05, 2022, 04:56:15 PM

Doesn't Russia have their own version(s) of FB, Twitter, and all those other social media platforms? I was listening to the news yesterday and I could swear I hear them reference something of that nature. It'd surprise me if Russia relied on any Western-supplied social media platform--and same goes for any country in that region.

Yes, they have VK (VKontakte) and probably their most popular communicator is Telegram. That doesn't mean they don't use FB, twitter or tiktok. There's also many youtubers and twitch streamers in Russia. All these people got blocked from making money because these companies rely on SWIFT.

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We'll see, though. I feel for the Russian people, because they're not the ones who created this insanity--and yet it's pretty much a given they're the ones who're going to feel the impact of Putin's political decisions. Ugh.

A lot of Russians don't use the Internet, don't watch the news besides maybe government channels that spread lies and brainwash them. There are videos made by people who tried to show pictures from Ukraine to Russian citizens and most of them did not even know that there is war, or they thought that it's just a small military operation against some oppressors who are discriminating Russians living in Ukraine.

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Doesn't Russia have their own version(s) of FB, Twitter, and all those other social media platforms? I was listening to the news yesterday and I could swear I hear them reference something of that nature. It'd surprise me if Russia relied on any Western-supplied social media platform--and same goes for any country in that region.

If that isn't true and they do rely on Facebook, Twitter, and the rest then yeah I'd say that's not going to help things at all. I don't think losing social media is the worst of their economic problems, though. Any country could survive that, I think. Russians have to worry about hyperinflation and the effects of all these sanctions being imposed on them by the rest of the world, effects I don't think have yet started to make themselves felt by the average Russian, i.e., any Russian who isn't one of these oligarchs they keep talking about.

We'll see, though. I feel for the Russian people, because they're not the ones who created this insanity--and yet it's pretty much a given they're the ones who're going to feel the impact of Putin's political decisions. Ugh.

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The ban represents an opportunity to increase the number of users, as there is Telegram and the Russian Facebook VK, Segnal and some alternative applications.

Restricting access to social media has proven to be a failure, and citizens will get news from the sources they want unless a comprehensive internet ban is implemented.

For money transfers, the problem is more complex, there is Bitcoin, which will be a great example, and some methods of transferring on the black market, but as I said, the fees will be higher and more difficult.

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Quote from: Reid on March 05, 2022, 11:37:12 AM

I cannot help but think about what you said with the people just working there but from different countries. They need to contact their families for updates about this war and political issues but now they can't. They will be forced to subscribe for a VPN which will add to their monthly spending while they are there to save money for their relatives and remit more.

They can use any alternatives such as telegram and signal for encrypted messages and as long that the internet is up and can be used in Russia.

Quote from: examplens on March 05, 2022, 03:44:18 PM

the main purpose of the sanctions is to force the Russian people to cancel their support for Putin. all the restrictions so far have been aimed at them.

Many of them did protest coz they are the most affected, but reported that their government "arrests" anyone who participates this kind of activity so they are really in difficult times now risking their lives in the hands of their government.

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Quote from: cheezcarls on March 05, 2022, 08:46:07 AM

Now this is getting worse, especially for the ordinary and innocent Russian citizens who are already suffering economic problems! They don’t deserve this to be honest, just like what China did to their citizens!

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-blocks-facebook-twitter/

A huge blow for the citizens, foreigners and overseas workers who worked there using FB and Twitter as their main source of communication to the rest of the world. As the economy continues to collapse in Russia due to the ongoing conflict between Putin’s government and Ukraine. Not sure if they are also banning Messenger, Whatsapp and Instagram since it’s part of Meta.

I have amazing crypto friends from Russia, and I even met some of them in person before the pandemic began. Now it means that they are going to use VPN in order to access Facebook and Twitter. I just feel bad and sorry for them. I don’t know what is going on with the Russian media regulator’s head right now. Maybe he was ordered by Putin or so.

There are also Filipinos who are working there as OFWs in Russia. Not only that they are struggling to send remittances to their families because of the stiff sanctions made by the West (especially taking off SWIFT), they are going to find it difficult to communicate to their loved ones and friends.

This decision alone in blocking social media sites would make the economy go even worse in my opinion!

I don’t know what would be your opinion about this guys. It pains me to be honest, as I’ve already felt what they’re feeling right now in getting isolated from the world.

Its not really possible to stop the communication unless the entire internet is shutdown there but I guess it won't happen. Still we can use emails for communication though I am just saying the practical solution and also there are lot of other social media maybe new messenger apps maybe created by and for Russia if they can't able to use whatsapp or Facebook.

What the real pain is they are facing financial issues, lot of investors funds were stuck and innocent sportsperson banned from participation and lot more.

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Quote from: TribalBob on March 05, 2022, 11:57:03 AM

really very concerned for the Russian people,
I'm not defending Putin here, we take the positive side of blocking social media in the wake of war, because as we know social media is a place to share from the smallest to the big things, maybe the main purpose of blocking is so that it doesn't become public consumption and becomes news without confirmation. , so that it will make the war bigger, ( in the sense of hoax news) , but as you said the negative side of blocking the economy is not being directed because of lack of communication

For what I have read this is nothing more but retaliation for what Putin considers a biased coverage of the war, according to him those platforms are allowing the side of the US to express their views freely on their platforms while blocking their vision and as such he has chosen to block them in their country, honestly I am not surprised as control of the media is a basic tactic when a country is in the middle of a war, however blocking those platforms completely does not look good at all and without a doubt it will affect a significant portion of the Russian population which was using those platforms.

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Quote from: Moneyprism on March 05, 2022, 12:56:17 PM

The method used by the Russian government by blocking social media such as FB and Twitter is a classic method used by the communist government, just like what the Chinese government did.

... the best way to get around this block is to use a VPN, there are several free VPN providers that people can use like Cloudflare WARP or ProtonVPN.

What do you think, how many ordinary users know how to use VPN? 10% or 90%?
the enormous size of the nation will be withheld for information not coming from the government.

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 05, 2022, 02:14:26 PM

It is painful because citizens that has nothing to do with the war are hugely affected. If it's just about messaging, AFAIK, they still have their own social network which is the vk.com and they can still talk about everything there.
But with the big impact of these bans on popular social medias, the revenue that their country might get from this and those that have businesses running on those platforms, they are truly affected.

the main purpose of the sanctions is to force the Russian people to cancel their support for Putin. all the restrictions so far have been aimed at them.

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It is painful because citizens that has nothing to do with the war are hugely affected. If it's just about messaging, AFAIK, they still have their own social network which is the vk.com and they can still talk about everything there.
But with the big impact of these bans on popular social medias, the revenue that their country might get from this and those that have businesses running on those platforms, they are truly affected.

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