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It isn’t easy for everybody. Especially the workers. And even celebrities. The economy is unfair to everyone, including those celebrities and companies. It’s very easy to criticize others on what they haven’t done right, especially when we have never been in their shoes. In the middle of this pandemic, I criticized some companies on why they don’t even pay their salaries or pay half salary. But when I imagined myself in their shoes, I saw another angle of things. They have been hit hard too. And yes, some companies and celebrities were out of the line.

I agree with you on people getting educated on starting their brands and acquiring skills. But it isn’t that easy. Many of those workers are in serious need of food. It’s not easy for a hungry person to start a business.

We are all hit by the pandemic. Some are just more hit than the other.



Yeah but the celebrities are bringing nothing to the table. When everyone had his basic needs fullfiled it was cool to watch celebrities on instagram how they live, eat and sleep. In times of crisis like we have now where people don't even can feed their family we should start thinking what justification is there for celebs? Do we really need them?

My answer is definitely no. Just look at Ellen Degeneres, who was supposed to be a that super nice person helping people in need. Now it comes out she is actually a very mean person and treats her own employees very badly.

We should stop empowering all these celebrities. The only power they have, is the one we give them.
I agree, I found it nice to see little youtubers gain national coverage because they were more "like us" and more "real", but after a while I noticed with disappointment that a lot of them became typical celebrities ...
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People who saved when they had lot to spend is having their living without much difficulty. One who hasn't saved, but led a happy life out of the earnings without making any saving is suffering much. In my country government paid every family $15, and the lockdown is still continuing. When government itself doesn't have responsibility, these celebrities will also do the same as there is none to rise voice for the suffering humanity.
Well probably it is our attitude not to save money due to small salary pay so with that we will just need to get along with it and survive for that day. Due to this pandemic many had been suffering and I was grateful that I was a frontliner because I still have my job and being paid due relatively it is that small but it is alright as long as I can fed my self and my family. In this tragic times hopefully that economics will be able to recover as soon as possible and all the people will be free from suffering due to the illness with vaccine be truly discovered and available to all.
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It isn’t easy for everybody. Especially the workers. And even celebrities. The economy is unfair to everyone, including those celebrities and companies. It’s very easy to criticize others on what they haven’t done right, especially when we have never been in their shoes. In the middle of this pandemic, I criticized some companies on why they don’t even pay their salaries or pay half salary. But when I imagined myself in their shoes, I saw another angle of things. They have been hit hard too. And yes, some companies and celebrities were out of the line.

I agree with you on people getting educated on starting their brands and acquiring skills. But it isn’t that easy. Many of those workers are in serious need of food. It’s not easy for a hungry person to start a business.

We are all hit by the pandemic. Some are just more hit than the other.



Yeah but the celebrities are bringing nothing to the table. When everyone had his basic needs fullfiled it was cool to watch celebrities on instagram how they live, eat and sleep. In times of crisis like we have now where people don't even can feed their family we should start thinking what justification is there for celebs? Do we really need them?

My answer is definitely no. Just look at Ellen Degeneres, who was supposed to be a that super nice person helping people in need. Now it comes out she is actually a very mean person and treats her own employees very badly.

We should stop empowering all these celebrities. The only power they have, is the one we give them.
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I think this only happens in some companies ,those who has demonic bosses  in which they are not treating employees as human instead they are machinery that needs to make their company growing and this is the sad reality mate.
i hate to see people are crying for food when they have some  amount  to claim for their works.
But lets admit that the government now cannot focus in these cases thats why these people are taking advantage of the situation.lets see what happens when  everything comes back to normal,I'm sure those countries that has Leader that loves masses?they will back turn to these employer with hammer hands.
imho if anyone should help people then its the state - because it receives trillions of taxes from both companies and ordinary people. If the state does not do this, then do not throw all the blame on the business. Many employers pay their employees salaries either on vacation or continue to work by organizing a remote workflow.
I understand this desire to blame on the business, "take and share», etc but it will not work in this way
remember that even there are trillions of money being collected from taxes the infrastructures ,and all the calamity assistance,and in this case employers have obligation to Their employee to at least help out in small ways.
because more than everything this is the time that government and companies to stay together and  help each other.
this cannot be done by government  itself,they must help in small things  that they can.

I do not dispute that employers should help. All reasonable assistance that business can provide is not to inflate prices for products and other goods, but also to continue to pay at least some acceptable salary for the period of downtime (and this is done by many).
And that's why I don't like all the shouts of the level "YOU HAVE to HELP YOU HAVE MONEY RRRRR" because the money is there but if you spend it all here and now - instead of reverse recovery, we will get thousands (if not tens or hundreds of thousands) of ruined people from the SME sector. In the current case, a perfectly acceptable compromise between these points has been implemented and if you start spending more, the consequences will be much more depressing. Inflation, do you remember about it?
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It isn’t easy for everybody. Especially the workers. And even celebrities. The economy is unfair to everyone, including those celebrities and companies. It’s very easy to criticize others on what they haven’t done right, especially when we have never been in their shoes. In the middle of this pandemic, I criticized some companies on why they don’t even pay their salaries or pay half salary. But when I imagined myself in their shoes, I saw another angle of things. They have been hit hard too. And yes, some companies and celebrities were out of the line.

I agree with you on people getting educated on starting their brands and acquiring skills. But it isn’t that easy. Many of those workers are in serious need of food. It’s not easy for a hungry person to start a business.

We are all hit by the pandemic. Some are just more hit than the other.

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People who saved when they had lot to spend is having their living without much difficulty. One who hasn't saved, but led a happy life out of the earnings without making any saving is suffering much. In my country government paid every family $15, and the lockdown is still continuing. When government itself doesn't have responsibility, these celebrities will also do the same as there is none to rise voice for the suffering humanity.
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What hurts more is that when we as common man cannot think of positively for the workers then how can we expect big celebs who are always mean and self centered to be caring towards the workers. People who have never seen tough times don't understand the pain of others  Undecided and that is the reason why we have so many mean people around us.

Talking about empathy is very easy but in reality nonsense. Many people have large disposable income and savings nowadays, but they prefer to save as much of their money as possible on the grounds of precaution rather than creating a labor-intensive humanitarian project that can create income for others. The thinking of people who have disposable income is stacking more and more not spending it or investing to drive an economy that is slowing and stopping.

A common man when facing a crisis usually makes the mistake of surviving and hoping conditions will improve. So to maintain their business usually they will drain their savings, if the savings are gone they will find a loan, and finally when they can't survive and cannot pay their employees anymore. In fact, if the common man has a mature calculation and the ability to read circumstance, then the decision to stop employees and give severance is the most appropriate step so that each individual can get ready for the worst and the relationship will remain good instead of ending with a demonstration.
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If there is no business then no matter how big the company is, will refuse to pay you because its business and they will be stupid from money point of view.And why people are still working if there is no pay for longer time just stop doing any works in all of a sudden then only the management will hear your voices.
You are very insensitive I can tell you that. You are saying that the workers should not be working if they are not being paid, right but how do you expect the workers to find a new job especially in current times? You must pay the workers if you have not given them notice prior and actually there are some legal documentation I believe regarding this which states that you must inform the workers in 2 months or some given period in advance before you remove them from their jobs.

What hurts more is that when we as common man cannot think of positively for the workers then how can we expect big celebs who are always mean and self centered to be caring towards the workers. People who have never seen tough times don't understand the pain of others  Undecided and that is the reason why we have so many mean people around us.
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I think this only happens in some companies ,those who has demonic bosses  in which they are not treating employees as human instead they are machinery that needs to make their company growing and this is the sad reality mate.
i hate to see people are crying for food when they have some  amount  to claim for their works.
But lets admit that the government now cannot focus in these cases thats why these people are taking advantage of the situation.lets see what happens when  everything comes back to normal,I'm sure those countries that has Leader that loves masses?they will back turn to these employer with hammer hands.
imho if anyone should help people then its the state - because it receives trillions of taxes from both companies and ordinary people. If the state does not do this, then do not throw all the blame on the business. Many employers pay their employees salaries either on vacation or continue to work by organizing a remote workflow.
I understand this desire to blame on the business, "take and share», etc but it will not work in this way
remember that even there are trillions of money being collected from taxes the infrastructures ,and all the calamity assistance,and in this case employers have obligation to Their employee to at least help out in small ways.
because more than everything this is the time that government and companies to stay together and  help each other.
this cannot be done by government  itself,they must help in small things  that they can.
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imho if anyone should help people then its the state - because it receives trillions of taxes from both companies and ordinary people. If the state does not do this, then do not throw all the blame on the business. Many employers pay their employees salaries either on vacation or continue to work by organizing a remote workflow.
I understand this desire to blame on the business, "take and share», etc but it will not work in this way
legendary
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Even celebs like Kylie Jenner who makes more than what these workers combined would make in a lifetime ignored the plea of the workers asking them to pay them so that they don't die of hunger.

All of this shows the effects of quarantine , the declining economic situation have sure effected the small companies, minority workers paid not even what we would call a reasonable payment.
The situation is really a mess as everyone is feeling the effects of the lock down and forced quarantine and many small companies are feeling the stress financially but comparing Kylie Jenner who made millions ripping off others ideas is a bad example as they are coming from a family who are really famous for being famous. Not heard about other big time celebrities having problems financially who really had any output.
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If there is no business then no matter how big the company is, will refuse to pay you because its business and they will be stupid from money point of view.And why people are still working if there is no pay for longer time just stop doing any works in all of a sudden then only the management will hear your voices.
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Celebrity and entertainment do not know how to manage their money, always looks like they will be on the top and never try to make passive income when their popularity have gone, I know with many celebrity does not exist again have begin with zero after lost all popularity and they left by fans and their family.
Actually that's true someone who has beauty (well, that's required to be a celebrity) might not have the right brain to operate a business or invest the money properly to entertain lifetime profits.

Now that you said, I can also recall a lot of actors who just vanished from the industry and never came into news after that and now are living the life of a common man, that's because they spent like idiots and never card too much.

Anyways coming back to the topic, I believe celebrity who deny payments should be shamed in public like maybe trend a hashtag or something and make them pay their workers.
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People are not ready to go for this lockdown, they can't do it. This is why I am not happy with China, their government that refused to reveal this situation on time, and they didn't even take action by stopping air travels to other countries as a way to stop the virus from going into other countries.
While I agree that they could have restricted the virus to a large factor and their carelessness led to the virus being spread everywhere which has caused the massacre that everyone is facing now, but that said I would not accuse them directly because even for them the virus must have been new and they don't know how it is going to spread and what they can do to stop the spreading of the virus.

As far as lock downs are concerned I think everyone is happy with lock down as long as they have enough money to survive and if the government cannot provide enough money/food to their people then they shouldn't implement the lock down.
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It is so selfish to think about how these celebs don't care about the life of their workers while they only have to think about their own. It was very unfortunate to see how these people working hard for their employer but in return, they only have got this. Supposedly we are helping each other but somehow we can't push these celebrities to feel how hard to be of not being paid.

I also understand that all parties are affected by this corona virus, including celebrities and big companies. But that does not mean
for that reason they do not perform their obligation to pay workers. Celebrity and big companies should realize that the impact of
workers is much greater, if these workers are not paid then there is a possibility that they and their family cannot eat.

A big shame for them. This could really affect their reputation. But I was hoping he could realize it before its going late.
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I do think most of the people out there are aware of the fact that many big celebrity bands and companies due to Quarantine Declined the payment to the people working for them in small underdeveloped countries like Bangladesh.
People started commenting on the posts of these brands and celebs *pay up* , the comments were soon turned off on their Instagram handle.
I do not know if this topic has already been started but I did think it would help to spread the word.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/06/05/869486297/for-bangladeshs-struggling-garment-workers-hunger-is-a-bigger-worry-than-pandemi

A sad statement by a worker mentioned:
*I will die of hunger before I die of the virus*

Some brands agreed to pay up after the people were enraged and in distress , it's a small price to pay when these people are not even making 100$ a month and they are selling the product they make 10 times the profit sometimes.
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H&M, Adidas and Nike are among brands that have agreed to pay for back orders totaling some $7.5 billion. As factories reopen, they're fulfilling those orders.

__________________________________________________________ Around £2.4 billion was withheld from the workers of small factories.

Even celebs like Kylie Jenner who makes more than what these workers combined would make in a lifetime ignored the plea of the workers asking them to pay them so that they don't die of hunger.

All of this shows the effects of quarantine , the declining economic situation have sure effected the small companies, minority workers paid not even what we would call a reasonable payment.

All of it have affected the small workers and companies more , problem is most of their companies are even eligible for the government grants !!

Human rights workers contacted these companies and talked with them too , good news is some companies did agree to pay up and at the same time they distributed masks for the workers and improved the health conditions.

This is how unfair the economy is , this is what we mean when we say the poor is getting poorer and the rich is getting Richer .

I do think these companies and celebs should not only pay up they should also face charges for doing this .

[ This is how strong the company label is , it might have been made in a small slum area but when it goes to big countries and companies its sold off for 10-20 times their normal value ]

What if these people , these small workers start their own brands and directly receive payments in Bitcoins ?  What matters is skills , the price will be cheaper for the person buying it and these people will even make more.
[ Payments options can be varied , they can accept wide variety of payments and maybe educated people living near them can help them with investments , even if they start selling their products locally it would be a great deal ! ]

This is why educating people about their options are important, I do think we should spread the word , support the small markets , this pandemic has shown how pity some of these big companies are .
It's so very sad for all workers that really affected of this crisis mostly the people in silver lining that the salary is so small and because of this pandemic and crisis it will double the stress for them. Hopefully this companies or big names in their economy will give them consideration what this people feelings and needs.
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Celebrity and entertainment do not know how to manage their money, always looks like they will be on the top and never try to make passive income when their popularity have gone, I know with many celebrity does not exist again have begin with zero after lost all popularity and they left by fans and their family.

Sometimes when people get rich all of a sudden, they lose their common sense. Just look at the case of Jack Whittaker, who won the then largest jackpot ever in the history of Powerball in 2002 ($314.9 million). After they become rich, several members of his family died from drug overdose and other unnatural deaths. Whittaker himself was involved in several criminal cases including DUI. He died last month, at the age of 72. I am not just taling about lottery jackpot winners. Look at the celebrities such as Chyna (wrestler), Amy Winehouse, Prince and Whitney Houston.
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Celebrity and entertainment do not know how to manage their money, always looks like they will be on the top and never try to make passive income when their popularity have gone, I know with many celebrity does not exist again have begin with zero after lost all popularity and they left by fans and their family.
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This is a sad and bad news most specially for the part of the workers that are working for the celebrities. It is hard breaking to know that after working for them and become a part of the success they have not just in their career but also with their businesses that have also been affected by the pandemic, they will just turn their back and not pay their workers just because they are also affected. Yes it is understandable indeed that their sources of income are affected but imagine the gap of income that a celebrity earn from their careers and businesses compared to what their workers can earn. Even though celebrities are affected, for sure they do still have a lots of money being stored on their banks and pockets.

A little amount of help would do for those who need because the most affected people are those who belongs to the lower classes up to the middle classes. They were the ones who needs money the most so may the celebrities at least have some mercy to provide their needs while they still have no work because of the pandemic. It will not be a lot of loss in their part because they can still earn a lots of money when everything is okay. Let them just treat it as a good deed or social help and responsibility to their workers to help them at times they need them the most since they are the ones who have the capacity to help the needy.
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I also understand that all parties are affected by this corona virus, including celebrities and big companies. But that does not mean
for that reason they do not perform their obligation to pay workers. Celebrity and big companies should realize that the impact of
workers is much greater, if these workers are not paid then there is a possibility that they and their family cannot eat.


   It's true, economic impact can be worse than a virus. When you have a virus you get sick, your body struggle with it, but
without money entire families will not have for food, for other basic things. I would rather get sick than to not have money
to provide food for my family, that would be painful life to live!
   
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