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July 09, 2016, 04:07:35 AM
All quotes..The most terrifying words in the English language are: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"."Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives".
"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth."

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July 08, 2016, 09:37:39 PM
In my eyes cash is easier to hide than BTC and crypto. One is undeclared and not really traceable when used for buying goods. Crypto on the other hand can leave all sorts of trails of you happen to drop an address of yours somewhere. That being said, should you manage to buy it anonymously and keep it in cold storage then you may have a chance of using it without having to declare.

Economic totalitarianism is a major event but there are many things that I am afraid that will happen when it comes to reality. And you are right by saying fiat currency is easy to store unlike bitcoins which in the future can be monitored and traced by the individual s who have that kind of technology. It totalitarianism will not be under the government or it will dictate the government there will be some terrible and greedy things that will happen.
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July 08, 2016, 08:14:46 PM
Clinton foundation totalitarianism: http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4609395/special-access-programs-involved

Russia played an important role on the ECM turning point of Oct 1, so if Putin really has his hands on information supposedly protected by special access privileges and decides to release this, we may be in for a wild ride lads.

From that video, I came to understand that there are agencies inside the USA that the public isn't even allowed to know exist.

Trump has made Christie his VP, who was strong proponent of the NSA during the Presidential debates. Trump has made numerous statements that it is okay to violate the Bill of Rights to in order to "protect the country". This isn't necessarily going to get better with Hellary out of the running.


It's been a really shitty week here in Americastan.  Lowretta, Big Bill, Chicken Comey, cop killer in Dallas, and now another racist killer sniping at people on a TN highway.

Almost as if TPTB want our country in chaos, in civil war.  So TPTB can come in when Americans start screaming for "help to protect the country".

It's already been one of those "Long Hot Summers".  Ugh.

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July 08, 2016, 06:03:35 PM
Fractional reserve banking and 0% lending from central banks to middlemen who then lend it out at 5% + to suckers generated most of the rehypothecation that has served as the catalyst for the coming debt cataclysm."It remains to be seen how quickly today's financial shift will be followed by a comparable geopolitical shift in favour of the new export and energy empires of the east. Suffice to say that the historical analogy does not bode well for America's quasi-imperial network of bases and allies across the Middle East and Asia. Debtor empires sooner or later have to do more than just sell shares to satisfy their creditors."
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July 08, 2016, 10:47:10 AM
Clinton foundation totalitarianism: http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4609395/special-access-programs-involved

Russia played an important role on the ECM turning point of Oct 1, so if Putin really has his hands on information supposedly protected by special access privileges and decides to release this, we may be in for a wild ride lads.

From that video, I came to understand that there are agencies inside the USA that the public isn't even allowed to know exist.

Trump has made Christie his VP, who was strong proponent of the NSA during the Presidential debates. Trump has made numerous statements that it is okay to violate the Bill of Rights to in order to "protect the country". This isn't necessarily going to get better with Hellary out of the running.
legendary
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July 07, 2016, 10:55:28 PM
Clinton foundation totalitarianism: http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4609395/special-access-programs-involved

Russia played an important role on the ECM turning point of Oct 1, so if Putin really has his hands on information supposedly protected by special access privileges and decides to release this, we may be in for a wild ride lads.
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July 07, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Tyranny will come in the guise of safety and security and of course the envoirnment and health and safety are included because it is always best to hide the lie in the truth. Selective truth and doublespeak create the narrative as the tyranny rolls out and the sheeple have been slowly boiled like a frog.

Tinfoil hat investors don't seem to understand that the masses are still a long way from viewing all of the current financial system as F.U.B.A.R.. They are just at the point of trying to vote to kick out incumbents. They are no where near yet bailing out with a parachute.

We have a long ways to go and this will culling of the herd will get very ugly as it always does throughout repeating bouts in man's history.



Bitcoin is already ChinaCoin. It is not decentralized even at 1MB blocks.


Good Satoshi just look at the stats: China is home to 90% of bitcoin trades and 70% of mining.

how long until hit the big fork button on the github repo and force everyone else to use their version of the network?

Of course, as I said many times since 2013, that Bitcoin is a TrojanHorse planted by the global elite to accomplish two goals:

1. Trap all the tinfoil hats by incentivizing them to think their trades are not traceable and let them mix their coins with lots of money laundering, so it can all be expropriated by law when the big economic reset comes in a few years. Since everything is permanent on the block chain, the authorities will be able to apply clawbacks and come take your house and everything from you, because you thought you were smart for investing in BitCON.

2. Bitcoin kills the ability of any nation-state to take the lead on issuing a digital currency. This is to prevent competitors that could offer liquidity and way out other than the coming monetary reset and world reserve currency managed by the IMF and WorldBank under a power sharing agreement of all the nations (but actually controlled by the elite banksters).



...Besides money that you can only spend by converting it to fiat, isn't really an alternative asset. The appeal of gold was you could hope on a plane with it, and someone could convert it in the blackmarket and spend it for real goods. But this isn't going to be possible any more.

I agree with most of what you said, except that quote above.
bitcoin isnt perfect, isnt accepted in many places but its growing...  for example:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/uber-switches-to-bitcoin-in-argentina-after-govt-blocks-uber-credit-cards

When China's mining oligarchy can implement MIT's ChainAnchor which turns off your ability to spend unless you comply with your local government's taxation and capital controls, then where Bitcoin is accepted is less relevant than whether it is no longer a permissionless system.

In order for Bitcoin to scale, the mining must become (already is!) centralized. Blockstream's SegWit makes that even more so.

A centralized control over which transactions are allowed, is not an alternative to fiat. It is just fiat by another name or metaphor.

They said Anonymint was crazy in 2013 when he predicted all these things, and yet you all still won't believe that is coming.
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July 06, 2016, 05:52:45 PM

A great up and coming option is the seasteading project, and ones like it. Build a small government, where code runs things, and have a number of decentralized splintering societies as easy to start as the software that'll be thier cornerstone, and you have a new governance/information vector/ a new strategic model on the block ready to show nation States as what fuedalism to was to democracy, decentralized autonomous-semiautonomous societies will be to nation states.
And who writes the code ? On what basis ? Which criteria ? Code is only an interpretation of someone's will to a machine. Code has not value in itself.

Maybe in a few years with fully developed AI we might see a kind of government ruled by machines, but it might also have tragic consequences for mankind ...
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July 06, 2016, 09:10:49 AM
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Tyranny will come in the guise of safety and security and of course the envoirnment and health and safety are included because it is always best to hide the lie in the truth.Selective truth and doublespeak create the narrative as the tyranny rolls out and the sheeple have been slowly boiled like a frog.


Unfortunately spot on. Damn having trouble removing quotes on this mobile device.
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July 06, 2016, 09:07:29 AM
$1000 dollar currency notes ($1 = 0.98 franc):

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35977

Potentially useful info for those of us in Europe for sure.

Just don't forget that European countries have routinely canceled their currencies. But I don't know if Switzerland ever did.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/17270

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/21730

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/31060

I have reasons to believe that if TPTB succeed to their plan in federalizing EU, Switzerland has great interest into becoming their "Bank Nation". Besides, that's what it was in the first place all these years, by keeping their "helpful" monetary policy towards Euro. A monetary totalitarianism as the one that's been constructed the last couple of decades within the EU cannot leave Switzerland out for many reasons. The Migration policy that's being introduced right now will eventually follow the Dubai practices, (ie: marking the immigrants like animals, and monitoring them via electronic devices cause "possible terrorists"), suits them fine in order to keep their "living standards".

I'm seriously thinking if this is a nice place to live if those things come true... Lips sealed

A great up and coming option is the seasteading project, and ones like it. Build a small government, where code runs things, and have a number of decentralized splintering societies as easy to start as the software that'll be thier cornerstone, and you have a new governance/information vector/ a new strategic model on the block ready to show nation States as what fuedalism to was to democracy, decentralized autonomous-semiautonomous societies will be to nation states.
There's no more land on earth for new countries, and starting new groups out in space isn't yet a viable option, but the Hugh seas, and even underwater - as outlandish, hehe, as it sounds there is at least vast amounts of untapped resources in "international waters.
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July 06, 2016, 04:23:31 AM
Bitcoin is centralised through the exchanges and many other ways as explained by TPTB
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July 06, 2016, 03:58:03 AM
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This thread is actually in honor of CoinCube (who started the very popular "Economic Devastation" thread).

Smiley

But, that thread wanders into difficult philosophical terrain, and I am interested in hearing opinions (practical!) re what we can do about "Economic Totalitarianism":

1) The new War on CA$H (Zero Hedge is covering this tpoic pretty well)

2) ZIRP/NIRP

3) Whether any of our apparently worthless Prez candidates have any decent ideas to save our financial butts.  And who is worse (the worst).

4a) Ideas that EACH of us might be able to do to defend ourselves from abusive .gov trying to take ever-more of our hard-earned money...

4b) Where assets like BTC, "alts", physical gold, foreign real estate, "Plan B", etc. may fit in...



Ideas anyone?

I´m too old to learn to program, nor interested (in this thread) in obscure discussions of Marxism, "idiots", personal attacks, etc.

I want practical ideaz and resultz, fishez!

Practical ideas?Run away in the jungle and stop using money. Grin

Is this practical enough? Grin

The only defense against inflation is to buy real estate....that`s my advise.

Over time real estate will be taxed over the inflation rate or at any rate they want even if that property  is not earning income/revenue.This is how they even have control over your family home.In fact you dont really own your home and are just the registered keeper of deeds in some cases depending on what part of the world you live in and when there is global communism under the guise of some form of beneficial socialism they can do what they want.Some day you may have to justify why you flushed your toilet twice in the one sitting or turn on your lights after a certain hour?

Tradeable assets that hold value and have some form of liquid market are always valuable in crisis and up to now asset holders have mainly escaped but times change in accordance with how desperate or despotic a regime becomes and asset seizures for "redistribution" to worthy causes(in mosts cases the the causes can be very regimes that enforce slavery)such as more bureaucratic staff funding or more regime enforcement with bigger budgets until there are more regime bureaucrats than actual citizens.

Tyranny will come in the guise of safety and security and of course the envoirnment and health and safety are included because it is always best to hide the lie in the truth.Selective truth and doublespeak create the narrative as the tyranny rolls out and the sheeple have been slowly boiled like a frog.
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July 06, 2016, 01:08:41 AM

A 4% difference in support for Leave over Remain is an insufficient mandate to insure that timely outcome. Cameron got what he wanted, which is a vote close enough to allow the technocrats (aka bureaucrats) to take control.
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July 06, 2016, 01:06:52 AM

[Bitcoin.com] - New EU Proposals Seek to End Anonymous Bitcoin Trading
By Kevin Helms -  July 4, 2016 10224 8

The comments on the following page explain why the government can effectively regulate:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12036825
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July 06, 2016, 12:59:55 AM
Smooth I also don't think it is viable to murder dozens of open source programmers because it would be difficult to obscure on that scale and thus the hacker community would likely rise up and retaliate (and win!). But in terms of stopping an immediate threat or making an example out of a serious threat which can be done in an obfuscated manner so as to not wake up the entire community, I think it is a realistic consideration. Perhaps avoiding outcomes below is contingent on carefully accessing the situation the potential victim has placed himself into. For example, attack the Russian oligarchs and you will be overtly assassinated. Attack the CIA or NSA and they will weigh the cost of murdering versus the risk of waking up the sheeople.

Is this paraphrased from some post by AnonyMint or TPTB_need_war, because it seems to be very close to my memory of what was written in the past. Even the use of the term 'sheeople'.
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July 05, 2016, 11:12:52 PM
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Today's naked display of .gov corruption and totalitarianism (re Comey & the Department of JustUs letting Hyena Rodent Clinton slither away again) should convince many of you doubters that our country (USA) is in truly dire straits.

-- Bitcoin well hidden is good.

-- Gold and other PMs, well hidden, are good.

-- Exercising your Second Amendment rights is good.

Be prepared.  A bad storm is coming.
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July 05, 2016, 07:35:45 AM
Smooth I also don't think it is viable to murder dozens of open source programmers because it would be difficult to obscure on that scale and thus the hacker community would likely rise up and retaliate (and win!). But in terms of stopping an immediate threat or making an example out of a serious threat which can be done in an obfuscated manner so as to not wake up the entire community, I think it is a realistic consideration. Perhaps avoiding outcomes below is contingent on carefully accessing the situation the potential victim has placed himself into. For example, attack the Russian oligarchs and you will be overtly assassinated. Attack the CIA or NSA and they will weigh the cost of murdering versus the risk of waking up the sheeople.
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July 05, 2016, 03:32:52 PM

[Bitcoin.com] - New EU Proposals Seek to End Anonymous Bitcoin Trading
By Kevin Helms -  July 4, 2016 10224 8
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July 05, 2016, 03:30:09 PM
Bitstamp: Unverified Bitcoin Accounts at Risk of Government Seizure
Pete Rizzo (@pete_rizzo_) | Published on October 16, 2014 at 23:01 BST
http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-unverified-accounts-risk-government-seizure-28-days/


Bitstamp said that accounts and account balances could be transferred to a third-party administrator or government authorities, who may in turn determine the ownership of any funds. Still, it cautioned that "the exact mechanism has not yet been determined".

"After the due diligence process is complete, the remaining funds will be subject to government seizure for uses hopefully related to consumer protection and law enforcement education in this new area of commerce," the company said.

No forfeited customer funds, it said, will go to the exchange itself.
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