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legendary
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April 21, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
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Chop off Houston and give it to Lousiana (or just make it inhospitable and they will migrate over to Louisiana), then Texas is ready to be its own country. And Texans view themselves more as Texans than they do as Americans. Have you been there? I lived there from 2001 - 2003.

They love their guns, God, and large pickup trucks.

The food stamps correlate with inner city mess and frankly with African Americans in the South (and the "cheap white trash" that has joined with them) whose work ethic was destroyed by the welfare system. Before welfare, the negros were hard working. After, they sat around the porch, got drunk, and the females produced entire absentee father(less) families (with numerous fathers per female).

This is not racist. This is a fact.

I was born in New Orleans and I attended those inner city public schools. I know first hand the situation. I've driven through Houston several times. Don't get me wrong, the majority of African Americans have elevated themselves with college education, etc.., and they will be welcome to migrate to the New Republic of Texas. I was so pleasantly shocked when I was at the UNO library in 1991 to see so many studious African American students.

So I see mass migration where conservatives move to majority conservative States that crack down and defect. And liberals migrating to the liberal States.

Yeah disintegration of the USA into regions.

Humans want self-determination. It is viewed as a fundamental right.

I live two hours from Dallas.  While what you say about Texas was defiantly true 10 to 15 years ago and still is to some extent it's rapidly changing.  Due to the high price of housing & taxes in California a LOT of people & businesses have migrated to Dallas.  People are coming in droves and buying houses with cash.  Of course their west coast liberalism with them.  If you go to south Texas far enough (Laredo) Spanish is more common than English.  Austin has become ground zero for the new hipster capitol of the world.

What you say is still true - but less so and will continue to shrink over the next decade.  I did make a trip down the i35 corridor to Austin a few several weeks ago & the road construction and growth is absolutely insane.  There was a big music concert and apparently Obama showed up to try to explain to all the hipsters why it was necessary for Apple to build the FBI a program to decrypt the iphone.  Hipsters were astonished and felt terrible that Obama was uninformed ... they were sure he didn't understand what he was asking for.


A pity that (all the hipsters and FSA moving in), to lose the one seriously large state that is independent minded.  They flee California, Illinois, New York..., yet they instantly want to Californicate the place, to make it "just like home".  My best friend still lives in Houston, he is beginning to hate it now...

I would NOT have guessed that the young hipsters know so little about what liberty and freedom are really all about.  Such naivete voting for 0bama.

Guess we're screwed.  <=== Hey, that's why I started this thread!
legendary
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April 21, 2016, 10:01:28 PM
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Chop off Houston and give it to Lousiana (or just make it inhospitable and they will migrate over to Louisiana), then Texas is ready to be its own country. And Texans view themselves more as Texans than they do as Americans. Have you been there? I lived there from 2001 - 2003.

They love their guns, God, and large pickup trucks.

The food stamps correlate with inner city mess and frankly with African Americans in the South (and the "cheap white trash" that has joined with them) whose work ethic was destroyed by the welfare system. Before welfare, the negros were hard working. After, they sat around the porch, got drunk, and the females produced entire absentee father(less) families (with numerous fathers per female).

This is not racist. This is a fact.

I was born in New Orleans and I attended those inner city public schools. I know first hand the situation. I've driven through Houston several times. Don't get me wrong, the majority of African Americans have elevated themselves with college education, etc.., and they will be welcome to migrate to the New Republic of Texas. I was so pleasantly shocked when I was at the UNO library in 1991 to see so many studious African American students.

So I see mass migration where conservatives move to majority conservative States that crack down and defect. And liberals migrating to the liberal States.

Yeah disintegration of the USA into regions.

Humans want self-determination. It is viewed as a fundamental right.

I live two hours from Dallas.  While what you say about Texas was defiantly true 10 to 15 years ago and still is to some extent it's rapidly changing.  Due to the high price of housing & taxes in California a LOT of people & businesses have migrated to Dallas.  People are coming in droves and buying houses with cash.  Of course their west coast liberalism with them.  If you go to south Texas far enough (Laredo) Spanish is more common than English.  Austin has become ground zero for the new hipster capitol of the world.

What you say is still true - but less so and will continue to shrink over the next decade.  I did make a trip down the i35 corridor to Austin a several weeks ago & the road construction and growth is absolutely insane.  There was a big music concert and apparently Obama showed up to try to explain to all the hipsters why it was necessary for Apple to build the FBI a program to decrypt the iphone.  Hipsters were astonished and felt terrible that Obama was uninformed ... they were sure he didn't understand what he was asking for.
sr. member
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April 21, 2016, 04:39:58 PM
Incorrect. It rarely ends that way. Only for entirely broken regimes. Sorry Armstrong has all the data. He invested $1 billion collecting it.

In another thread you predict USA will break into regions. Is this not the definition of an entirely broken regime?

Edit: let me give you a quick, incomplete hint. Read Armstrong for the many details and points. The failed regimes were due to dictatorship and/or a bankrupt ideology (e.g. communism in the Weimar Republic).  When the population remains very productive and the debt is actually quite small (e.g. the debt is only $19 trillion in the USA but the productive capacity of the people is that much or more per year), then the society is not failed. We are going to see transition to a world reserve currency. This is not about total failure of government, except Europe is trying hard to achieve that again. China, Russia, USA, Canada, Australia, etc are no where near failed societies.

There is nothing new in the concept of world reserve currency. It can have many components this time, this doesn't change anything in how individual countries manage their economies and their budgets. Individual countries are pretty bad. For bankrupt ideology we have the welfare state. The productive population is shrinking, the liabilities of the governments are growing, you even said this yourself up thread, and there comes a point where society fails unable to bear the weight of liabilities. Enter hyper inflation.

I have read quite a lot of Armstrong, I don't agree with everything.

What is happening is the productive people are breaking free from the unproductive. This is why we need a world reserve currency that no country can abuse.

The elite are doing creative destruction on the nation-state central  banks and currencies. But the productive sector will refuse to become socialists. My X gen is giving the middle finger to that.

Socialism is failing. Those with that ideology will fail. It is not an ideology held by everyone not like in Weimar Germany when everyone was tears and in love with the almighty Socalists and then Hitler. Those who disagreed, were unable to mount any defense nor defection.

I suggest you review this post about Texans and Texas:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14621869

trollercoaster had a similar post about rural Australians.

The Internet makes it possible for us to communicate to each other. Ideological, propaganda shit can't be hoisted on us who are awake. Trump is proving many people are awake. They read blogs.
legendary
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Merit: 1865
April 21, 2016, 03:11:27 PM
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I was a Texas resident from 1974 - 1981.  Loved it there.  It's very true that Texas feels like its own country, Texas would be fine by itself, they could be self-sufficient if need be.  And they very much love their liberty.  Do not try to take their guns, pickups and Bibles away from them.

I would amend TPTB's suggestion: add Beaumont (etc.) and all land between Houston and the SW Louisiana border and cede it to LA.

Also, everyone in Texas knows who the losers and the lazy are...  But, they (generally) celebrate those who make it into the Middle Class and act like adults.
sr. member
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Merit: 262
April 21, 2016, 03:05:12 PM
Not all Americans are dependent on the government. And these conservatives are pissed off. They will not tolerate being forced to pay taxes to support the rest. And this will grow as taxes increase.

The liberals will stay with the government and will bankrupt it, as the conservatives will refuse to pay for it, and break (defect en mass organized) away.

Armstrong's model will not be incorrect.

Maybe, but from what I have seen most of the south is very much dependent on centralized government handouts.

Lets look at the states with the most food stamp recipients.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/01/17/cheat-sheet-states-with-most-food-stamps/21877399/

#1. Washington DC: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.97%
#2. Mississippi: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.74%
#3. New Mexico: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.5%
#4. West Virginia: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 19.96%
#6. Tennessee: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 19.58%
#7. Louisiana: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 18.67%

Now lets look at the states that are most dependent on federal spending overall
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

#1 Mississippi
#2 New Mexico   
#3 Alabama
#4 Louisiana
#5 Tennessee

So you have 20% of the population dependent on the government just for food aid. That does not include dependence due to health care and retirement benefits or everything else.  Most Americans are now dependent on the government financially and this is true of the south as well.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2014/07/02/weve-crossed-the-tipping-point-most-americans-now-receive-government-benefits/#1b67102c6233

Quote from: forbes
perhaps 52 percent of U.S. households—more than half—now receive benefits from the government

This dependency is true of red states also. Breaking away would disrupt the supply of 'free stuff' so I am very skeptical it will ever happen.

Chop off Houston and give it to Lousiana (or just make it inhospitable and they will migrate over to Louisiana), then Texas is ready to be its own country. And Texans view themselves more as Texans than they do as Americans. Have you been there? I lived there from 2001 - 2003.

They love their guns, God, and large pickup trucks.

The food stamps correlate with inner city mess and frankly with African Americans in the South (and the "cheap white trash" that has joined with them) whose work ethic was destroyed by the welfare system. Before welfare, the negros were hard working. After, they sat around the porch, got drunk, and the females produced entire absentee father(less) families (with numerous fathers per female).

This is not racist. This is a fact.

I was born in New Orleans and I attended those inner city public schools. I know first hand the situation. I've driven through Houston several times. Don't get me wrong, the majority of African Americans have elevated themselves with college education, etc.., and they will be welcome to migrate to the New Republic of Texas. I was so pleasantly shocked when I was at the UNO library in 1991 to see so many studious African American students.

So I see mass migration where conservatives move to majority conservative States that crack down and defect. And liberals migrating to the liberal States.

Yeah disintegration of the USA into regions.

Humans want self-determination. It is viewed as a fundamental right.
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1055
April 21, 2016, 12:11:21 PM
Not all Americans are dependent on the government. And these conservatives are pissed off. They will not tolerate being forced to pay taxes to support the rest. And this will grow as taxes increase.

The liberals will stay with the government and will bankrupt it, as the conservatives will refuse to pay for it, and break (defect en mass organized) away.

Armstrong's model will not be incorrect.

Maybe, but from what I have seen most of the south is very much dependent on centralized government handouts.

Lets look at the states with the most food stamp recipients.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/01/17/cheat-sheet-states-with-most-food-stamps/21877399/

#1. Washington DC: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.97%
#2. Mississippi: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.74%
#3. New Mexico: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.5%
#4. West Virginia: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 19.96%
#6. Tennessee: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 19.58%
#7. Louisiana: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 18.67%

Now lets look at the states that are most dependent on federal spending overall
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

#1 Mississippi
#2 New Mexico   
#3 Alabama
#4 Louisiana
#5 Tennessee

So you have 20% of the population dependent on the government just for food aid. That does not include dependence due to health care and retirement benefits or everything else.  Most Americans are now dependent on the government financially and this is true of the south as well.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2014/07/02/weve-crossed-the-tipping-point-most-americans-now-receive-government-benefits/#1b67102c6233

Quote from: forbes
perhaps 52 percent of U.S. households—more than half—now receive benefits from the government

This dependency is true of red states also. Breaking away would disrupt the supply of 'free stuff' so I am very skeptical it will ever happen.
sr. member
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April 21, 2016, 02:24:55 AM
yeah but my point is the liberals have taken over the conservative icons of our history. This represents an unacceptable slap in the face to the conservatives. They are nearing the point of mass revolt. The USA will split along liberal and conservative divides. The southern Bible belt will break away.

Nearing the point of disorder and social unrest yes but break away? I am skeptical that an overall population dependent on government will do this. The general public has no understanding of fundamental etiology and thus lack the ability to advocate for coherent solutions. They are simply angry. They will push for and support people with 'answers'.

In this election cycle both Trump and Sanders are trying to capitalize on this anger Trump via appeals to nationalism and Sanders by appeals to socialism and redistribution. Nationalism is dying but it may just be alive enough to win one last election cycle. Even if Trump wins, however, I believe it will change little maybe delay the inevitable for a few years if that. The near future for better or worse belongs to people like Sanders. This will be the case until the demographics fundamentally change and allow for something better which will take a long time.

Not all Americans are dependent on the government. And these conservatives are pissed off. They will not tolerate being forced to pay taxes to support the rest. And this will grow as taxes increase.

The liberals will stay with the government and will bankrupt it, as the conservatives will refuse to pay for it, and break (defect en mass organized) away.

Armstrong's model will not be incorrect.
legendary
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April 20, 2016, 10:28:12 PM
yeah but my point is the liberals have taken over the conservative icons of our history. This represents an unacceptable slap in the face to the conservatives. They are nearing the point of mass revolt. The USA will split along liberal and conservative divides. The southern Bible belt will break away.

Nearing the point of disorder and social unrest yes but break away? I am skeptical that an overall population dependent on government will do this. The general public has no understanding of fundamental etiology and thus lack the ability to advocate for coherent solutions. They are simply angry. They will push for and support people with 'answers'.

In this election cycle both Trump and Sanders are trying to capitalize on this anger Trump via appeals to nationalism and Sanders by appeals to socialism and redistribution. Nationalism is dying but it may just be alive enough to win one last election cycle. Even if Trump wins, however, I believe it will change little maybe delay the inevitable for a few years if that. The near future for better or worse belongs to people like Sanders. This will be the case until the demographics fundamentally change and allow for something better which will take a long time.
legendary
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April 20, 2016, 10:11:49 PM

I am skeptical about about claims that this is widely distributed in the food supply. To hard to hide and too much blow back if it became known. Also anything along these lines that worked would require multiple repeated exposures to be effective and permanent immunity does not exist. The body does not like to attack itself and has numerous safeties built in to prevent such attacks from occurring. They have tried to make an infertility vaccine by conjugating tetanus toxoid one of the most immune provoking substance known with Beta hCG (a molecule required to sustain pregnancy) and even in this target form it does not really work very well.

Some background medical information. The tetanus toxoid provokes a strong and immediate immune response in humans. It has historically been conjugated with other agents to make vaccines against those agents. For example Haemophilus influenza a leading cause of childhood meningitis does not produce much of a protective immune response when given to children by itself but when injected along with the tetanus toxoid it produces a powerful and protective immune response. Similarly it is possible to provoke an immune response to other things by attaching them to the tetanus toxoid.

Notably it is possible to make a pregnancy vaccine by coupling the tetanus toxoid to Beta hCG.
Beta hCG is the same molecule measured in over the counter urine pregnancy tests and is required to sustain early pregnancy. By coupling the tetanus toxoid with beta-hCG you can create antibodies to hCG that prevent pregnancy.

This "vaccine" was developed in 1997 and is called the HSD-hCG. As of 1997 this prevented pregnancy for 6 months but required booster shots every six months as the vaccine lost effect as the immune response died down.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9083611

In a world dependent on socialism reproduction must inevitably become a government granted privilege rather then a right. Once 'free stuff' becomes a natural right eventually there will come a time when there is not enough actual production to supply 'free stuff' for everybody. At this point the natural tendency is for both the producers and consumers is to support measures lowering the numbers of 'free stuff' claimants. Antifertility vaccines and foods could be rolled out openly in such an environment with government supplied freebies being conditioned on maintaining your 'vaccination' status or perhaps with the 'vaccine' being supplied in the 'free stuff' itself. 
legendary
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April 20, 2016, 09:11:18 PM
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Andrew Jackson was a mean & tough old bastard.  He mistreated Indians, although that was frequent in those times (+/- early 1800s).

He also fought the Central Banksters nearly to death.  He really hated them, insulted them, and (word has it) was the almost-victim of an assassination (the assassin's gun did not fire) probably instigated by the Central Wankerz.

Rumor had it that Jackson was my ancestor on my mother's side, but we found no evidence of that when we employed a genealogist to do our family history.  Which is actually kind of a pity, I would have more of an excuse to play with guns were he an actual ancestor...
sr. member
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April 20, 2016, 09:01:26 PM
They don't want Andrew Jackson on the US $20s anymore...

Another sign that the USA is dead and will break apart.

From what I have read about Andrew Jackson I suspect he would not have want his image associated with today's $20

yeah but my point is the liberals have taken over the conservative icons of our history. This represents an unacceptable slap in the face to the conservatives. They are nearing the point of mass revolt. The USA will split along liberal and conservative divides. The southern Bible belt will break away.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/cruz-losing-support-of-fellow-republicans/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/americas-economic-history/why-are-the-us-elections-so-important/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/americas-economic-history/cruz-defeats-trump-in-wisconsin-is-this-1828-1832-all-over-again/
legendary
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April 20, 2016, 08:41:49 PM
They don't want Andrew Jackson on the US $20s anymore...

Another sign that the USA is dead and will break apart.

From what I have read about Andrew Jackson I suspect he would not have want his image associated with today's $20
sr. member
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April 20, 2016, 06:55:24 PM
They don't want Andrew Jackson on the US $20s anymore...

Another sign that the USA is dead and will break apart.
legendary
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April 20, 2016, 02:48:30 PM
Well, to be fair, it was being sent through a private service which is allowed to stop funds from being transferred, and something like this isn't really confusing because it prevents them from being shut down if there was an actual terrorist attack that would occur that those funds helped pay for.

It makes sense from a business standpoint.

I don't agree with the confiscation of the funds, but it is something that should be thought of before sending something like that.
legendary
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April 20, 2016, 02:41:13 PM


You might have to pay for beer with the new $20 "Tubbies" (or "Jemimas"):

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-20/treasury-removes-jackson-20-bill-will-replace-him-harriet-tubman

They don't want Andrew Jackson on the US $20s anymore...

But, the real joke is that Tubman was a gun-packing Republican!
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
legendary
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April 12, 2016, 09:18:58 PM


Yes, Armstrong is right (again), it is just about .gov collecting money.  I like how he showed how Obama really felt (a Swiss account in every smartphone).

The government has proven beyond a doubt that they are irresponsible with safeguarding information.  And that they are greedy beyond belief re moar taxes.

If Apple knuckles under and gives Uncle Sam access to their iPhones, CHINA will win.
legendary
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April 09, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
Religion is not synonymous with dependence.

I am referring to when the State co-opts the religion such as Constantinople.

Recently the Vatican had to play ball with the elites as they were threatened to be shut off from the financial system.

Also the individual is helpless (because they are ideologically invested) when the State uses the religion for an evil end, such as the Spanish Inquisition.

I agree with you on that point. However, this is an argument for the seperation of church and state as well as an argument against specific religions that are organized with ridged and centralized top down leadership rather then an argument against religion in general. It is likely no coincidence that the Protestant reformation appears to mark the approximate dividing line between the prior Middle Ages and the subsequent scientific revolution and Enlightenment.


Religion, in the general sense of the word, spirituality, has to come from within.  Or else it does the individual no good.  It certainly can and does help the State when imposed from on high.

In my own case, a non-imposed religion did me a tremendous amount of good, I was not on  a good path.  It is beyond question how much better my life is in several ways.

But, it has to come from within to be any good.

A State Religion helps few I would wager.
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