Topic: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost! (Read 926 times)

Guys,

apology for late respond.

I will answer all the questions in the next 48h

I'm very skeptical about that, it's a matter of seed and keys, not a matter of blockchain and transactions. He wasn't even connected when he generated his seed and his keys.

try creating target wallet (tail) in windows and see what happen. use public key of target wallet to create a watch only wallet in windows.
try changing electrum server in target wallet (tail).

It would appear very unlikely that the wallet was created on an old version of Electrum. The OP claims they took a screenshot of their addresses when they first created the wallet on Tails:

As you can see from that screenshot, it has the "filter" dropdown boxes on the address tab... this feature was added in 3.0.1...



Prior to that, the addresses tab was sorted into simple expandable lists like this:



Another possible, but somewhat unlikely, scenario is that the OP had created TWO (or more) wallets on Tails initially and, for whatever reason, didn't realise and only saved the seed for the first wallet. They subsequently sent coins to an address in the second wallet (created from a different seed). Once everything was deleted (when updating Tails etc), the second wallet was lost forever as the seed recovered the first (unused) wallet

Okay, how about the other addresses, are they the same as the addresses from your newly restored wallet?

The only two things that's possible for an address that wasn't derived from the seed to be included is through
"import private key" for Electrum version v1.xx before v2.0 when it's possible to import to a HD wallet.
Or through "that" corruption error that you mentioned but that should result with an error message stating the corruption or the wallet wont open at all.

If the other addresses were different, it's positive that it's not the correct seed.

Old version ok, but which one? Do you know the number of this version? Is it a version below 2.0?
BTW do you have the master public key of your "former" tails wallet ?
Another thing, did you try to come back to the older version and to import your seed? (you don't need to access the network for that) You still don't find your address there?

Abdussamad,

I just didn't know how to share a picture here. I couldn't paste picture into the post. How can you do it?

Just uploaded the picture on IGUR here it is for those who are afraid to open anonfile.com:

https://imgur.com/P5DMMS4

Be careful about opening the links the OP shares. For some reason he won't use imgur like everyone else.

If you recover your wallet from seed, labels will be lost. As bitmover said, that doesn't affect your funds and you will be able to see all your transactions.

note: You can activate the Electrum label sync plugin to save your labels on Electrum servers and recover them later (make sure to read the part about privacy implications).
You can also export labels and save them in a JSON file that can be imported later.

No.
labels are not registered in the blockchain, it is an internal label that affects only your wallet software. Probably if you reinstall your electrum, or recover it in another computer, the label will be lost, but funds will not be affected.

Guys,

I absolutely forgot to tell that:
on Electrum (Tails) > Addresses > "lost" address 1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL > label - I put:   "used "    once I transfered the money from Electrum (Windows) to that address. I always do that, so that I use the address only for one time transfer.


Maybes that's the reason why it doesn't show now in the recovered wallet?!




Before all that, when I created Electrum on Tails I made a shot of all my addresses, here it is:


https://anonfile.com/097eY563n6/20190923_183206_jpg


There you see that damn address as second from the top


All the other questions I will answer in short!

It seems you can't find the address under your Electrum wallet tails.
Like the other said the seed phrase might be incorrect why not use tools like seedrecovery.py of BTCrecovery
and let it find your Bitcoin address under your incorrect seed phrase?

This tool I think will help you to find the incorrect phrase of your seed here's the guide below
 
- https://github.com/gurnec/btcrecover/blob/master/docs/Seedrecover_Quick_Start_Guide.md

If this can't find your incorrect phrase under your BTCaddress you provided the BTC address is not under your seed phrase. Like I mentioned yesterday the possible reason why you can't find the address it's because you don't own the BTC address that you are trying to find under your Electrum tails. The Electrum in your windows might be infected with clipboard malware.

Why not review all of your old transaction histories if the address you use before is the same as the address you are trying to look for.

Did you restore from seed on windows and is your wallet history and balance accurate on windows?

once again there is no point in using bip39 tools or alternative derivation paths if the seed was generated in electrum. he's said it now twice. i wish you guys would move on from that.

Maaaaaan,
 

that's a very useful Information!!!!


I'm gonna do it and post the result!


Thank you!

If this really is the case, then you still should be able to somehow access your coins.

But as bitmover pointed out, some (at least 1) of your statements must be wrong.

Could you please answer the following questions (again, just to be sure):

• Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)
• Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?
• Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?
• Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?
• Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?
• Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?

I know that these questions are redundant, but something isn't right and we have to figure out what.
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bob123,

thank you very much for such substantial explanation! The questions are not redundant and I'm glad to answer them!


1.  Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)    -    Yes, it was generated on Electrum on Tails! (I only have problem with wallet on Tail. On Windows works everything properly)

2.  Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?    -  
     1) On Tails it's already preinstalled, but old version, so you have to update manually. To do that - I downloaded the ''Appimage" for Linux on electrum.org. Where as well I found the explanation why my wallet didn't work - it was old!  
     And that's where it started instead of just updating it, the guide lines on Tails website say - to delete the wallet; to delete the wallet folder in the wallet; to do this, to do that.... All bullsh!t. In realty just to update the f*cking wallet!
     2) On Windows I downloaded the wallet as well from the website.  I didn't verify PGP signature - but I did a transfer from a BTC.com wallet to that one and I transferred it back - worked perfectly! I as well did some transactions now from Electrum (Windows) to Electrum(Tails) - works perfectly too! _____So I think fishing is out of question!_____

3.  Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?    -    Yes, all of them, always, even when the wallet was recovered.

4.  Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?    -    Yes, as mentioned before I'm doing transactions without any issues!

5.  Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?    -    Correct. In first place I saw it in the wallet on Tails as "pending" but then it changed to "not verified". It was the same wallet as the big transaction (if I'm not wrong), just different address. I just realized it has only 1 output address and it should be the one from my wallet which I copied and pasted! Here it is transaction ID: 888f769c2d2585d1d6f0070f11d5820c249aa895fab983ce3eda7e1a667e7308

6.  Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?    -  
    1)All I changed is: Tools > Preferences  > Transactions > checked the box with ''use multiple change address" on both wallets.  On Tails as well Block explorer to .onion one.  
    2) No multisig or 2FA wallet!


So my opinion is:   there is no phishing or clipboard malware or any type of fraud! Since there was an issue with corruption - at least that's what the guide lines on Tails said, I could open the wallet at all, you know etc. - it was recommended to delete the files, reinstall and so on.  So now that missing address is in a wallet somewhere.     The question is how to get that particular wallet!    


Any suggestions?

As I said, I would try everything. Try that as well in both your wallets, but with 250 gap limit and then insert ismine.
And try with all addresses suggests here

According to OP, there were a total of 2 transactions. One small "test" transaction and the larger one to the address mentioned above.
I doubt that the funds are still in his windows wallet, especially since the wallet is connected to the network.


@OP:
Can you please check whether address 16g5D1NDe7UDpfx3gwZpV7tvwbcfTeW4Ck belongs to any of your wallets (windows, and i am especially interested in whether it belongs to your tails wallet).

"ismine" doesn't see any addresses out of gap limit except for the ones in the address tab.

AFAIK, the only possibility  here is that you somehow created a BIP39 seed with a different derivation path than the one you are using now.

So, back to derivation paths.
I would try everything if they were my coins.
 Personally, I prefer to use iancoleman BIP39 than electrum...

First of all, remove all  funds that you can from that wallet. Consider that seed exposed and do not use it ever again.


Go to https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ in your tails ultra secure computer in offline mode, insert your seed there. See how it works.
 It will generate all possible addresses on the bottom of the page. If you find your address there, just copy paste its private key to electrum and you are done.

However, do not search for your address there only using the default derivation path, as you know it won't work. You need to try different derivation paths.

Go to derivation path.
You can try the change addresses. Your transaction generated some Change of a few cents....  your coins may be in a change address. 
Set "Internal/External" to 1, so you can see the change addresses. Your address may be there.


Edit:
This 1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c was supposed to be the change address of your first transaction.
Can you find it in tails or in your windows electrum wallet using ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c )? you didn't use that address again.
This may be important. If you sent a small value of 0.00004438 to the tails wallet, and the big value as a change may have came back to your windows wallet.
Maybe your address 1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL is a change address of your original windows wallet, which sent the btc.

There may be a chance that your 2k USD never left your first wallet, in windows.
use ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c ) and ismine(1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL) in windows.