Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost! - page 2.

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Quote from: bitmover on September 26, 2019, 11:11:25 AM

Quote from: Abdussamad on September 26, 2019, 09:54:19 AM

He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!

He is sure that the Seed is correct.
He is sure that it is not bip 39.
He is sure that he transferred to the right address.
He is sure that the coins are not there.

However, I cannot be 100% sure of any of this, because if all that information was correct, the coins would be there.

So I think it is a plausible strategy to consider that one (or more) of those affirmatives is not valid. Such as:

1- the seed may be incorrect.
2 -Or it may be bip39.
3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick.

As 1 and 3 we can't help him, I think that working in 2 may be effective.

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 10:55:28 AM

I can provide all the needed details!

Do not respond any PM. Have all discussions here, in this public topic.
Scammers will be asking for your Seed in private, or asking you to click on some phising link.
Be careful.

bitmover,

thank you for the tip!

About the points:

1- the seed may be incorrect - I made a picture of the seed and I always wrote the same words! If I'm not wrong, wallet with the address was recovered but only once, in the beginning, when it was deleted the first time.

2 -Or it may be bip39 - As mentioned before, I made the picture from exactly that wallet with that address!

3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick - I'm sending now the BTC without any problems and they getting through. So I think this one is out of question!

The issue is that the seed generated different addresses and ''the one'' is not included.

Now I have to find that particular wallet I guess! HOW?

Guys, it has to be some solution for that!

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Quote from: igor72 on September 26, 2019, 11:34:45 AM

Have you used that wallet before?

If yes then try open the electrum console and enter:

Code:

wallet.change_gap_limit(100)

Not necessary, because he already entered:

Code:

ismine("Address)"

which returned false.

Please read the thread before making suggestions which just clutter up this thread without being useful at all.

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Have you used that wallet before?

If yes then try open the electrum console and enter:

Code:

wallet.change_gap_limit(100)

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Quote from: Abdussamad on September 26, 2019, 10:02:50 AM

When originally creating the wallet did you extend the seed with custom words?

Has already been asked:

Quote from: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 06:12:22 PM

Or did you use an additional "25th word" a.k.a. a passphrase ?

and answered:

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 05:06:38 AM

I didn't use any additional phrases!

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 11:07:26 AM

you guys asked for the address. I posted earlier - BTC address; transaction ID; public key.

Unfortunately i couldn't find out anything related.
The address is completely unused except for this one transaction, which makes it quite unlikely that you were infected by some clipping board malware (still possible tho).
But as far as i know, the creator of such a malware are some retarded script kiddies who can't even iterate through a list properly. Therefore i tend to say this was not the case.

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 10:55:28 AM

If I'm not mistaking, I recovered with the same seed that ''lost'' address once.

If this really is the case, then you still should be able to somehow access your coins.

But as bitmover pointed out, some (at least 1) of your statements must be wrong.

Could you please answer the following questions (again, just to be sure):

Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)
Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?
Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?
Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?
Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?
Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?

I know that these questions are redundant, but something isn't right and we have to figure out what.

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Quote from: Abdussamad on September 26, 2019, 09:54:19 AM

He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!

He is sure that the Seed is correct.
He is sure that it is not bip 39.
He is sure that he transferred to the right address.
He is sure that the coins are not there.

However, I cannot be 100% sure of any of this, because if all that information was correct, the coins would be there.

So I think it is a plausible strategy to consider that one (or more) of those affirmatives is not valid. Such as:

1- the seed may be incorrect.
2 -Or it may be bip39.
3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick.

As 1 and 3 we can't help him, I think that working in 2 may be effective.

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 10:55:28 AM

I can provide all the needed details!

Do not respond any PM. Have all discussions here, in this public topic.
Scammers will be asking for your Seed in private, or asking you to click on some phising link.
Be careful.

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 11:07:26 AM

nc50lc; bob123,

you guys asked for the address. I posted earlier - BTC address; transaction ID; public key.

Can you start something with it?

The only thing they can do with it is to check it in a block explorer.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3eddcdcf82569329f2a110bda01e8dd889afd6df2501638f79fb92a5631e5c6a

AndrRoos

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Quote from: nc50lc on September 25, 2019, 09:00:06 PM

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 05:30:59 PM

It's false!

Is your Tails Electrum in persistent volume?
If yes, try to check if there's more than one wallet file(s) in the default wallet directory or any location that you've previously selected.
If there were, try to open them one by one, you may have used another wallet file for those "lost" transactions.

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 03:27:55 PM

Guid 2.e.:

If the seed was originally generated in Electrum it’s possible you may have been affected by a file corruption bug.Yes, I was effected by a file corruption bug! -snip-

Does your wallet notified you about a possible corruption or an error message?
Because most of the time, if you still successfully launched the wallet it will detect any corruption to the wallet file.
If there's a major corruption, it wont open at all.

Maybe BitMaxz is correct (Post above),
If you don't mind, can you share the receiving addresses of those two transactions?
Or at least tell us if they are still unspent.

nc50lc; bob123,

you guys asked for the address. I posted earlier - BTC address; transaction ID; public key.

Can you start something with it?

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Quote from: igor72 on September 26, 2019, 10:33:06 AM

There's a small chance (1/256) that the seed was miswritten, but it was still valid.

igor 72,

I made a picture of the recovery seed. I typed in the same words! - miss written is not an option!

If I'm not mistaking, I recovered with the same seed that ''lost'' address once. It was when I deleted the wallet the first time. But since then some other addresses come up all the time.

I pay 20% of the recovered funds to the Person who can mange to get it back to my wallet!!!!

20% was at the time of transfer - €512/US$560

I can provide all the needed details!

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There's a small chance (1/256) that the seed was miswritten, but it was still valid.

Abdussamad

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When originally creating the wallet did you extend the seed with custom words? That is 2b here: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/frequently-asked-questions/#why-does-restoring-my-wallet-from-seed-lead-to-a-different-wallet . If you didn't then I'm afraid this wallet does not contain the addresses where you sent the coins. Then the only 3 possibilities are that a )you created more than one wallet in the past b) that you have clipboard altering malware c) the addresses belong to so other wallet perhaps hosted by an exchange or website you use. If it's a. then look for the seeds of those other wallets. If it's b. then do a reformat and reinstall of your OS. If it's c. then login to exchanges and sites you use to see if the funds are there.

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He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!

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Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 09:17:03 AM

Do I still need to check the checkbox with BIP39?

I tried to do it many times now, no success!

If all you did when creating the wallet was:

Standard Wallet -> Create a new seed -> Legacy -> Wrote down the seed -> Confirmed the seed.

Then, it's very unlikely that this has anything to do with a particular derivation path which isn't the Electrum's default.

In any case, if you still want to try this, check "BIP39" in the "Options" button, press Next, then select "legacy (p2pkh)" and try a different derivation path, e.g: m/44'/0'/1'

edit:

Quote from: Abdussamad on September 26, 2019, 09:54:19 AM

He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!

Emphasis on:
1. "it's very unlikely"
2. "In any case, if you still want to try this"

AndrRoos

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Quote from: bitmover on September 26, 2019, 06:17:29 AM

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 06:01:54 AM

Bitmover,

a new wallet with the same seed?!

Yes. Your seed can create almost unlimited wallets with different derivation paths.

There are a few possibilities here.

1 - If you have the wrong seed, your funds are lost and there is nothing you can do.

2 - You have the right seed, but you could be looking in the wrong derivation path.

For example, you don't know if you have a BIP39 seed or a Electrum seed (this is why i told you to check and uncheck BIP39 when creating a new wallet, and try to find the address there).

Or you may have miscliked in the derivation path, or somehow created a new account without knowing it (this is why I told you to try a few m/44'/0'/1'/0).

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 06:01:54 AM

The last digit has to be 0 or it can variate as well?

The last digit is for change address, and your transaction didn't generate any change, so there is no need to try that, AFAIK.

bitmover,

I'm absolutely positive - I have Electrum recovery seed!

Do I still need to check the checkbox with BIP39?

I tried to do it many times now, no success!

bitmover

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Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 06:01:54 AM

Bitmover,

a new wallet with the same seed?!

Yes. Your seed can create almost unlimited wallets with different derivation paths.

There are a few possibilities here.

1 - If you have the wrong seed, your funds are lost and there is nothing you can do.

2 - You have the right seed, but you could be looking in the wrong derivation path.

For example, you don't know if you have a BIP39 seed or a Electrum seed (this is why i told you to check and uncheck BIP39 when creating a new wallet, and try to find the address there).

Or you may have miscliked in the derivation path, or somehow created a new account without knowing it (this is why I told you to try a few m/44'/0'/1'/0).

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 06:01:54 AM

The last digit has to be 0 or it can variate as well?

The last digit is for change address, and your transaction didn't generate any change, so there is no need to try that, AFAIK.

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Quote from: bitmover on September 26, 2019, 05:46:56 AM

Quote from: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 06:12:22 PM

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 05:30:59 PM

It's false!

Then this means that this address does not belong to your wallet.

Maybe this address is from that seed, however in a different derivation path. It is a legacy address, so we don't have to worry about segwit derivation paths. Maybe in a different account?

@AndreRoos, I would create a new wallet and try those derivation paths and insert that ismine("1YourAddressHere")

m/44'/0'/1'/0
m/44'/0'/2'/0
m/44'/0'/3'/0
....
I would try a few...

I think you didn't answer also what version of Electrum are you using on Tails. Is it 4.0? There is no 4.0, it is a phising.

Edit: I would also try one more thing.
Create a new wallet, insert your seed, click on Options and check "BIP39 Seed". Insert the ismine("1YourAddressHere").
Now do this:
Create a new wallet, insert your seed, click on Options and UNcheck "BIP39 Seed". Insert the ismine("1YourAddressHere").

Bitmover,

a new wallet with the same seed?!

Does the passphrase has to be the same as from the wallet where the address is missing?

How many of m/44'/0'/1'/0 should I try? - The last digit has to be 0 or it can variate as well?

Electrum version: 3.3.8 - which was on the website of Electrum the newest!?

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Quote from: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 06:12:22 PM

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 05:30:59 PM

It's false!

Then this means that this address does not belong to your wallet.

Maybe this address is from that seed, however in a different derivation path. It is a legacy address, so we don't have to worry about segwit derivation paths. Maybe in a different account?

@AndreRoos, I would create a new wallet and try those derivation paths and insert that ismine("1YourAddressHere")

m/44'/0'/1'/0
m/44'/0'/2'/0
m/44'/0'/3'/0
....
I would try a few...

I think you didn't answer also what version of Electrum are you using on Tails. Is it 4.0? There is no 4.0, it is a phising.

Edit: I would also try one more thing.
Create a new wallet, insert your seed, click on Options and check "BIP39 Seed". Insert the ismine("1YourAddressHere").
Now do this:
Create a new wallet, insert your seed, click on Options and UNcheck "BIP39 Seed". Insert the ismine("1YourAddressHere").

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Quote from: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 06:12:22 PM

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 05:30:59 PM

It's false!

Then this means that this address does not belong to your wallet.

Is there a possibility that you have used a different mnemonic code when restoring it ?
Or did you use an additional "25th word" a.k.a. a passphrase ?

If both is not the case, then you either copy/pasted the wrong address or your online-pc is infected with some clipping board malware.
Try copying a random BTC address and paste it anywhere (e.g. notepad). Check whether it is the same address as copied.

Do you mind sharing the address with us ?

Bob123,

I have used the same mnemonic code - the seed was generated, so I took a picture and wrote it down - then used it for recovery. (But maybe I'm mistaken). I just remember that I've used always the very first seed, when I deleted and recovered the wallets!

I didn't use any additional phrases!

Online-pc is not infected with some clipping board malware - now I send BTC from Electrum (Windows) to Electrum (Tails) without any issues - It comes straight away.

Here is the address where it was sent to; transaction ID; public key:

1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL
3eddcdcf82569329f2a110bda01e8dd889afd6df2501638f79fb92a5631e5c6a
02b85d7dbb7b2c112de6bd7db2376c3e1532e001c4b69bf69bc23ac103f218c47a

I pay 20%(which was €512 at the time of transaction) of the lost transaction to a person who can recover it back to my wallet!!!!

Payment method BTC; MoneyGram/Western Union

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Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 05:30:59 PM

It's false!

Is your Tails Electrum in persistent volume?
If yes, try to check if there's more than one wallet file(s) in the default wallet directory or any location that you've previously selected.
If there were, try to open them one by one, you may have used another wallet file for those "lost" transactions.

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 03:27:55 PM

Guid 2.e.:

If the seed was originally generated in Electrum it’s possible you may have been affected by a file corruption bug.Yes, I was effected by a file corruption bug! -snip-

Does your wallet notified you about a possible corruption or an error message?
Because most of the time, if you still successfully launched the wallet it will detect any corruption to the wallet file.
If there's a major corruption, it wont open at all.

Maybe BitMaxz is correct (Post above),
If you don't mind, can you share the receiving addresses of those two transactions?
Or at least tell us if they are still unspent.

BitMaxz

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It seems that you are infected with "Copy/Paste BTC Address changer virus" you maybe copy the address from tails correctly but when you paste it in your windows Electrum wallet the address changed before you make a transaction.

If this is your problem there's no way to recover them they are lost forever.

You need to scan the entire PC with Malwarebytes and antivirus and maybe your PC is infected with copy/paste virus. Or reformat the PC with fresh install Windows OS but make sure that you have the backup seed so that you can recover it once you install the Electrum again.

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Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 05:30:59 PM

It's false!

Then this means that this address does not belong to your wallet.

Is there a possibility that you have used a different mnemonic code when restoring it ?
Or did you use an additional "25th word" a.k.a. a passphrase ?

If both is not the case, then you either copy/pasted the wrong address or your online-pc is infected with some clipping board malware.
Try copying a random BTC address and paste it anywhere (e.g. notepad). Check whether it is the same address as copied.

Do you mind sharing the address with us ?

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Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 03:27:55 PM

Quote from: Abdussamad on September 25, 2019, 02:06:46 PM

Quote from: Lucius on September 25, 2019, 08:25:10 AM

Quote from: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 06:19:57 AM

The following only on Tails:
I deleted the wallet, installed it back, many times. Tried to fix it somehow, playing around. Now it doesn't show €2.600, not even that damn €1 transfer, like it never happened at all. I still used the same recovery seed for the wallet as before.

You use same seed, but do you know that same seed can generate different types of addresses? In the process of wallet recovery, there is window where is possible to choose derivation path/address type. You need to select same address type on Electrum (Tails), as it is on Electrum (Windows).

If your Electrum (Windows) is legacy type, it starts with 1, for native segwit it start with bc1, and for nested segwit (p2sh) with 3. Pay attention to this when restoring wallet, this is a very common problem for many users.

This only applies if the seed was originally generated using some other software. If his seed was generated by electrum then there is no need to manually choose between different script types. The seed itself is enough.

@andrroos wallet restoration related problems are covered in this FAQ: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/frequently-asked-questions/#why-does-restoring-my-wallet-from-seed-lead-to-a-different-wallet . Do go through it and tell us what you find out. If this FAQ doesn't solve your problem then do share the answers to the questions posed there so we can troubleshoot further.

Native electrum seeds don't work in other software.

Abdussamad,

Guid 2.e.:

If the seed was originally generated in Electrum it’s possible you may have been affected by a file corruption bug.Yes, I was effected by a file corruption bug!This bug affected versions prior to 3.3.x. If you created or opened more than one wallet during a single session and the storage device your wallet was stored on was malfunctioning your wallet may have been corrupted.What is a single session? It seems to have disproportionately affected people using portable Electrum off a usb drive. The only way to recover your wallet is if you remember the seeds or private keys of any of the other wallets you created/opened during that single session.And even if you know the seeds from other wallets, how it's gonna help?

Single session means during one sitting. Maybe you created a test wallet to fool around with. Then your real wallet straight after that. Something like that.

If you have the seeds of the other wallets you created in that session you can try restoring from seed

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