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Topic: Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB - page 22. (Read 1061475 times)

legendary
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So if my bitminers can't mine anything from the current pool (It stopped dead in October), how do I switch to this new system?

As mentioned, the old stats pages are wrong.  Everyone is already on the new system.

I'm still working on getting everything up and running on the backend for the new stats.  Database crunching is going a bit slower than anticipated, but things are moving along.  Hoping to have the front end styling done soon (have a friend assisting) as well so things look better than anything I could come up with on my own.  Worst case I can still launch them with my temporary styling.

But overall, things are moving along. Smiley
have ? if mining before ra was taken offline the transition to hu would seems less  my rig continues on normally, also I did not get any payout from the last block mined under Hu is that forthcoming.

The transition was seamless.  There should have been no perceivable downtime.

I'm going to manually pay out for the Hu block as soon as I get the stats online.
legendary
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Dark Passenger Bitcoin miner 2013,Bitcoin node
So if my bitminers can't mine anything from the current pool (It stopped dead in October), how do I switch to this new system?

As mentioned, the old stats pages are wrong.  Everyone is already on the new system.

I'm still working on getting everything up and running on the backend for the new stats.  Database crunching is going a bit slower than anticipated, but things are moving along.  Hoping to have the front end styling done soon (have a friend assisting) as well so things look better than anything I could come up with on my own.  Worst case I can still launch them with my temporary styling.

But overall, things are moving along. Smiley
have ? if mining before ra was taken offline the transition to hu would seems less  my rig continues on normally, also I did not get any payout from the last block mined under Hu is that forthcoming.
legendary
Activity: 1223
Merit: 1006
So if my bitminers can't mine anything from the current pool (It stopped dead in October), how do I switch to this new system?

As mentioned, the old stats pages are wrong.  Everyone is already on the new system.

I'm still working on getting everything up and running on the backend for the new stats.  Database crunching is going a bit slower than anticipated, but things are moving along.  Hoping to have the front end styling done soon (have a friend assisting) as well so things look better than anything I could come up with on my own.  Worst case I can still launch them with my temporary styling.

But overall, things are moving along. Smiley
newbie
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So if my bitminers can't mine anything from the current pool (It stopped dead in October), how do I switch to this new system?
newbie
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Sweet, thanks for the update  Smiley
newbie
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Wk, would you prefer donations being sent to your tip address here or to the 1Stats address listed on the old stats page?  I don't have much but do want to thank you for your hard work.
newbie
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thank you.looking forward to upgrading the system.
legendary
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which miner submitted solution for 447370? i had a solution reported and my s7 jumped to like 7TH/s for a spell but eligius is my backup pool it would be pretty extraordinary if i was the successful candidate.

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the payment queue will remain in the new system or not?

Yes.  The payout queue is really the only way to handle a solution where the pool pays immediately from the coinbase transaction in most cases AND has a minimum payout setting.  Otherwise the coinbase transaction would be thousands of outputs of mostly dust to small miners every block, and there would be probably no room for transactions.  Then when miners went to spend those tiny outputs they'd pay extraordinary fees.
newbie
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the payment queue will remain in the new system or not?
sr. member
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VeganAcademy
Another block!  Didn't see that coming.
I just seen the one today on block trail when was the other one I'm still at 1700+ hours

which miner submitted solution for 447370? i had a solution reported and my s7 jumped to like 7TH/s for a spell but eligius is my backup pool it would be pretty extraordinary if i was the successful candidate.
legendary
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Another block!  Didn't see that coming.
I just seen the one today on block trail when was the other one I'm still at 1700+ hours

As noted in multiple places, the stats are currently not updating correctly.

The final Eligius-Ra block was 446827.
The first Eligius-Hu block was just now, 447370.
legendary
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Dark Passenger Bitcoin miner 2013,Bitcoin node
Another block!  Didn't see that coming.
I just seen the one today on block trail when was the other one I'm still at 1700+ hours
legendary
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Another block!  Didn't see that coming.

Yep!  Looks like I accidentally left part of the old coinbaser in place which put some funds on the old Eligius-Ra 1ChANGe address.  I'll transfer that output directly to the new offline wallet tracker address when the block confirms just to keep up with accounting better for Eligius-Hu.

Looks like the new reward system code computed rewards appropriately, but as the first block for Eligius-Hu going to continue to run tests and monitor everything before allowing the reward system to be fully automated.  I will get a manual payout done soon after the new stats are online.
newbie
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Another block!  Didn't see that coming.
legendary
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Thanks for the update! When will the new stats be live?

A new stats page and Eligius home Page are being finalized.  These are expected to be online before end of the week in their initial form.  Tweaks and improvements will be made constantly from that point on to ensure smooth operation.  Until then, please disregard the existing stats and home pages.  Existing Eligius stats will be archived after launch of the updated pages.
legendary
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Think. Positive. Thoughts.
Thanks for the update! When will the new stats be live?
legendary
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Interesting concept, wk.  I'm a bit confused how the "sell-a-share" thing would work in practice.  If I read your description correctly, if I wish to sell shares, I must have already mined those shares.  I'm not selling based on my hashing power, but rather what I've already hashed and recorded in your share log.

Is there a limit on when those shares can be sold?  For example, a share that is about to drop out of the 8N window is certainly worth less to a potential buyer than a share that has just been added.  I, as the seller, have potentially already been paid N times for an old share.

Using your hypothetical example of 1000 shares worth 1BTC, isn't that 1BTC over the lifetime of those shares?  Some of that 1BTC has already been paid to me as the miner prior to my sale.  How is a buyer supposed to know the age of the shares being sold, and whether or not the value proposition is there to engage in the transaction with the seller?

As noted in my writeup:

Shares near the extreme end of the share log (soon to be discarded) will not be able to be sold.  Generally newer shares will have more value than older shares as they have the highest chance of being awarded by blocks as many times as possible.  The market will have some generic probability calculations available for sellers to use in pricing.

While shares are for sale but unsold/not reassigned the miner is awarded for the shares as per normal.

So in short, yes the example I used was simplified.  The 1 BTC in the example is the expected value over the life of the share.

Miners will be able to set their market accounts to automatically place shares you mine for sale at a calculated price immediately, or once they reach a specified position in the share log.  When a buyer goes to buy a chunk of shares they will have plenty of information available to them, including the position of the shares in the share log, how much reward these shares have already earned, estimated remaining earnings of the shares assuming 100% PPS average, etc.  Essentially, the shares can be sold in chunks that are in particular areas of the share log and the price set accordingly.  Since the potential expected remaining value of any particular group of shares will be constantly changing, the sale pricing will always be based on an algorithm and not a static price set by the seller.  The seller can choose the variables for that algorithm, however, when placing their sell order.

There will be some common sense limitations placed on the market.  Since this is a buyer/seller facilitation that uses the block chain (ie, the funds for the sale never go through Eligius and instead directly to the seller), minimum sell amounts will be used to prevent spam.  A seller can also set a minimum amount for a single purchase.  This will, unfortunately, make it so the smallest miners can't really participate in the share market as it is currently designed.  In the future I plan on adding a portion of the market for buyers to buy shares from smaller miners in aggregate by depositing funds into an escrow account.  But, for the time being, however, buyers can only purchase shares though direct payments to the miner who is selling the shares.

Also keep in mind that this is a pretty new concept and it will evolve as things progress.
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
Interesting concept, wk.  I'm a bit confused how the "sell-a-share" thing would work in practice.  If I read your description correctly, if I wish to sell shares, I must have already mined those shares.  I'm not selling based on my hashing power, but rather what I've already hashed and recorded in your share log.

Is there a limit on when those shares can be sold?  For example, a share that is about to drop out of the 8N window is certainly worth less to a potential buyer than a share that has just been added.  I, as the seller, have potentially already been paid N times for an old share.

Using your hypothetical example of 1000 shares worth 1BTC, isn't that 1BTC over the lifetime of those shares?  Some of that 1BTC has already been paid to me as the miner prior to my sale.  How is a buyer supposed to know the age of the shares being sold, and whether or not the value proposition is there to engage in the transaction with the seller?
newbie
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nice. this new platform sounds amazing.
newbie
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