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Topic: Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB - page 88. (Read 1061485 times)

donator
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I need some help to correctly interpret the pool statistics.

To my understanding, the round luck expresses the ratio of spent shares to solve a block. While intuitive as immediate value, it is not suitable for intuitive statistical analyses. Take e.g. the following series of luck values (real ones starting from block 338694):
  • 137.70%
  • 3971.90%
  • 18.20%
  • 393.70%

Looks not so bad at first sight - makes one think the sub 20% one is well compensated by the lucky ones. But truth is, you need to average over the reciprocal values to get the combined luck of a series, formally:
luck(n1..nk) = 1 / [(1/n1 + 1/n2 + ... + 1/nk) / k]

For the above example we get the series luck calculated as
1 / [(0.726 + 0.025 + 5.495 + 0.254)/4] = 1 / [6.5/4] = 61.54%

If my assumption is correct, then this was a quite bad luck series.

Talking variance: shouldn't the average over a longer series be close to 100%? I manually typed the round lucks for the last 100 blocks into a spreadsheet for closer inspection. The averaged luck over this series (covering last ~3 weeks of mining) is 78.74% - which I found shocking low since variance should be leveled out quite well. I disbelieve this number that much that I assume my interpretation is just wrong.

Anyone with better understanding willing to comment?

@wizkid: are those numbers at http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blocks.php available in CSV or JSON format?


Thanks
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1124
Never mind mathematics, variance et all. It is time for some magic words...

*withholding attack?*

Found a block at 28% luck and crying about a withholding attack? *sigh*  We've had far worse rounds in the past.
Obviously. Also, the insidious withholding attack was so well executed that it intercepted and nuked golden nonces from all the users of the pool for the 12 hours it was ongoing.

It makes me shiver when I imagine how it would work if I were singing it...
legendary
Activity: 1223
Merit: 1006
Never mind mathematics, variance et all. It is time for some magic words...

*withholding attack?*

Found a block at 28% luck and crying about a withholding attack? *sigh*  We've had far worse rounds in the past.
Obviously. Also, the insidious withholding attack was so well executed that it intercepted and nuked golden nonces from all the users of the pool for the 12 hours it was ongoing.

That's impressive work. lol
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1004
Never mind mathematics, variance et all. It is time for some magic words...

*withholding attack?*

Found a block at 28% luck and crying about a withholding attack? *sigh*  We've had far worse rounds in the past.
Obviously. Also, the insidious withholding attack was so well executed that it intercepted and nuked golden nonces from all the users of the pool for the 12 hours it was ongoing.
legendary
Activity: 1223
Merit: 1006
Never mind mathematics, variance et all. It is time for some magic words...

*withholding attack?*

Found a block at 28% luck and crying about a withholding attack? *sigh*  We've had far worse rounds in the past.
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1124
Never mind mathematics, variance et all. It is time for some magic words...

*withholding attack?*

Isn't that a form of contraception?

Well, never saw it this way. But hey, it works!
legendary
Activity: 3234
Merit: 1220
Never mind mathematics, variance et all. It is time for some magic words...

*withholding attack?*

Isn't that a form of contraception?
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1124
Never mind mathematics, variance et all. It is time for some magic words...

*withholding attack?*
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1004
There is no such thing as luck and variance in Mathematics it is a constant and from what i understand about Bitcoin, Mathematics is its core IMO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance
Quote
This article is about the mathematical concept. For other uses, see Variance (disambiguation).

In probability theory and statistics, variance measures how far a set of numbers is spread out....
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
Dark Passenger Bitcoin miner 2013,Bitcoin node
There is no such thing as luck and variance in Mathematics it is a constant and from what i understand about Bitcoin, Mathematics is its core IMO
full member
Activity: 132
Merit: 100
I averaged the luck percentage from all blocks since about four months ago and graphed them. The luck slump looks pretty mellow from here actually..

http://gyazo.com/652ad85b5702a7e8608208a4d2196aca

(expected value is 500)
Can you explain how your graph was made, in detail ? The expected optimal average luck is (of course) 100%, and recent blocks show a lot of variance, so your graph is not very telling as is.
hero member
Activity: 536
Merit: 500
I averaged the luck percentage from all blocks since about four months ago and graphed them. The luck slump looks pretty mellow from here actually..

http://gyazo.com/652ad85b5702a7e8608208a4d2196aca

(expected value is 500)
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1124
Let's try it again..

Withholding attack! Withholding attack!

It has to come from deep in your heart. Like *withholding attack*?

Two members murmuring "withholding attack" - et voila: Two blocks found:

https://blockchain.info/de/blocks/Eligius
I keep my tin hat nearby and while I'm not smart enough to prove it. it sure seems like blocks found have diminished
on a lot of pools lately.

Therefore, I've started this discussion:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/could-asic-producers-perform-a-block-withholding-attack-935409

I'm not a friend of conspiracy theories, but would love to read from experts if I'm totally wrong or not.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
Let's try it again..

Withholding attack! Withholding attack!

It has to come from deep in your heart. Like *withholding attack*?

Two members murmuring "withholding attack" - et voila: Two blocks found:

https://blockchain.info/de/blocks/Eligius
I keep my tin hat nearby and while I'm not smart enough to prove it. it sure seems like blocks found have diminished
on a lot of pools lately.
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1124
Let's try it again..

Withholding attack! Withholding attack!

It has to come from deep in your heart. Like *withholding attack*?

Two members murmuring "withholding attack" - et voila: Two blocks found:

https://blockchain.info/de/blocks/Eligius
legendary
Activity: 1223
Merit: 1006
So www server maintenance hit during a pretty long block, then failed because it took too long.  (Part of the maintenance involves a backup of all shares since the last block)

I reset the maintenance and it should be good to go soon.

We did find a block at some point during the maintenance and it will show up when it's done.  (Payouts already happened for it, since as always the pool itself is not affected by the www server)
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1124

Hehehe :-)

Just started a discussion about a possible scenario for a withholding attack in the hardware section. Would be glad if some savvy miners could put some logic into it...
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1124
Let's try it again..

Withholding attack! Withholding attack!

It has to come from deep in your heart. Like *withholding attack*?
hero member
Activity: 536
Merit: 500
Let's try it again..

Withholding attack! Withholding attack!
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