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Quote from: khiholangkang on August 26, 2023, 09:18:10 AM

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If we say whether Twitter has collapsed or not, in my opinion, Twitter has collapsed since Elon Musk's entry into management, now it has changed to X, and yes, the media platform that we have known for a long time, called Twitter, has disappeared. was built a long time ago and is well known to remote areas, now it has collapsed.

The drastic changes after Elon's acquisition to Twitter was noticeable. There have been good but mostly bad changes from him.

Quote from: khiholangkang on August 26, 2023, 09:18:10 AM

how do you think the app and website work? even though to be honest he doesn't need to change the brand that has been built for a long time, he just needs to add the existing facilities on Twitter and or have integration with the new platform he is developing so that it is related so that it has a broad scope, isn't it better like that?

Well, change is constant and there's no permanent especially on this modern digital time where every website has their own pace.

He has bought it so most of the changes will be from there and I doubt it that he's willing to collaborate it with another company and I don't know if he's got one that suits it.

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Well Elon Musk now has to worry about the other company of his. Now the US DOJ is suing his company SpaceX cause of discrimination.

It is against refugees the company refused to hire from their status. I do not know if this will effect twitter but it is more pressure for Elon Musk.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-sues-spacex-alleged-discrimination-against-asylees-refugees-hiring-2023-08-24/

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Quote from: jossiel on August 26, 2023, 06:01:02 AM

Quote from: Rupok on August 26, 2023, 05:55:33 AM

It is very difficult to understand what Elon Musk actually wants to do with Twitter, I saw a few days ago that he changed the Twitter loggo.

It's now X.

Quote from: Rupok on August 26, 2023, 05:55:33 AM

Since buying the popular social media platform Twitter, he has laid off many employees. I doubt he really planned to sell $20B for all the stock he had with Twitter. I think the huge amount of money he bought the Twitter platform would certainly serve his purpose. I don't believe Twitter is going to collapse because Elon Musk is not one to give up so easily.

If he's going to sell it from the half amount of his purchase. It's likely that he'll only sell the half of his stocks/shares from it. And AFAIK, that acquisition is still costing him to pay it continuously up til' now.

Quote from: Rupok on August 26, 2023, 05:55:33 AM

Of course he's thinking of some new changes to take Twitter one step further.

He wants it to be an all-in app/website.

If we say whether Twitter has collapsed or not, in my opinion, Twitter has collapsed since Elon Musk's entry into management, now it has changed to X, and yes, the media platform that we have known for a long time, called Twitter, has disappeared. was built a long time ago and is well known to remote areas, now it has collapsed.

how do you think the app and website work? even though to be honest he doesn't need to change the brand that has been built for a long time, he just needs to add the existing facilities on Twitter and or have integration with the new platform he is developing so that it is related so that it has a broad scope, isn't it better like that?

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Quote from: Rupok on August 26, 2023, 05:55:33 AM

It is very difficult to understand what Elon Musk actually wants to do with Twitter, I saw a few days ago that he changed the Twitter loggo.

It's now X.

Quote from: Rupok on August 26, 2023, 05:55:33 AM

Since buying the popular social media platform Twitter, he has laid off many employees. I doubt he really planned to sell $20B for all the stock he had with Twitter. I think the huge amount of money he bought the Twitter platform would certainly serve his purpose. I don't believe Twitter is going to collapse because Elon Musk is not one to give up so easily.

If he's going to sell it from the half amount of his purchase. It's likely that he'll only sell the half of his stocks/shares from it. And AFAIK, that acquisition is still costing him to pay it continuously up til' now.

Quote from: Rupok on August 26, 2023, 05:55:33 AM

Of course he's thinking of some new changes to take Twitter one step further.

He wants it to be an all-in app/website.

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It is very difficult to understand what Elon Musk actually wants to do with Twitter, I saw a few days ago that he changed the Twitter loggo. Since buying the popular social media platform Twitter, he has laid off many employees. I doubt he really planned to sell $20B for all the stock he had with Twitter. I think the huge amount of money he bought the Twitter platform would certainly serve his purpose. I don't believe Twitter is going to collapse because Elon Musk is not one to give up so easily. Of course he's thinking of some new changes to take Twitter one step further.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on August 22, 2023, 07:25:55 PM

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Quote from: yohananaomi on August 22, 2023, 04:05:28 PM

I also believe that by taking over Twitter he knows that the prospects that will be obtained are very large, a strange thing as an entrepreneur would buy something with the aim of wanting to lose and it would be impossible for the famous Elon Musk to do it with very detailed calculations.
actually the way he's been doing it so far by continuing to make changes on Twitter, is a way to provide opportunities for many pros and cons to continue to talk about, this is a very effective and cheap advertisement that can be done so that Twitter becomes trending,
agree, elon musk is smart and visionary [expansive insight into the future], he is able to make whatever he wants to do famous and generate profits to continue to make him rich.

I think it's a little early to admit this since Musk's projects are still under construction and we don't know what results his strange choices will lead to. These options have become somewhat strange, especially with regard to everything related to Twitter, since he began using it to publish tweets in support of the Dodge currency.
The SpaceX project is still unable to reap profits, and this may happen after the year 2030 during the next decade, which is of course not certain.
The Tesla project suffers from increasing technical problems, the most important of which is the battery production crisis, which could cause the cessation of car production if China decides to change its policy in this market, which it controls globally.
I don't know any of the projects that Elon Musk is running that are currently profitable.

Elon Musk struggling to reap profits out of his projects were getting delayed. At some point his thoughts will come true. His thoughts were different from the common man, not as a billionaire but from his early days of life. In every project there is some issue and he had been making use of available resources to make it successful. Now his involvement into Twitter is the reason for the downturn. Once after acquiring he could've left it to function for few years, in between he could've made changes.

Having an expansive insight into the future doesn't really man that he is a successful person or that his projects are an absolute success. Actually, all what he does is playing with the money of investors + big amount credits from banks with a high interest rate. The Twitter deal might not be his worst choice if he did not interfere in the affairs of management, but he started implementing major decisions without having sufficient experience in this niche. And it seems that he woke up late to appoint a new CEO for the company in an attempt to overcome the decline that the company is going through at all levels.

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Quote from: coupable on August 22, 2023, 05:30:13 PM

Quote from: yohananaomi on August 22, 2023, 04:05:28 PM

I also believe that by taking over Twitter he knows that the prospects that will be obtained are very large, a strange thing as an entrepreneur would buy something with the aim of wanting to lose and it would be impossible for the famous Elon Musk to do it with very detailed calculations.
actually the way he's been doing it so far by continuing to make changes on Twitter, is a way to provide opportunities for many pros and cons to continue to talk about, this is a very effective and cheap advertisement that can be done so that Twitter becomes trending,
agree, elon musk is smart and visionary [expansive insight into the future], he is able to make whatever he wants to do famous and generate profits to continue to make him rich.

I think it's a little early to admit this since Musk's projects are still under construction and we don't know what results his strange choices will lead to. These options have become somewhat strange, especially with regard to everything related to Twitter, since he began using it to publish tweets in support of the Dodge currency.
The SpaceX project is still unable to reap profits, and this may happen after the year 2030 during the next decade, which is of course not certain.
The Tesla project suffers from increasing technical problems, the most important of which is the battery production crisis, which could cause the cessation of car production if China decides to change its policy in this market, which it controls globally.
I don't know any of the projects that Elon Musk is running that are currently profitable.

Elon Musk struggling to reap profits out of his projects were getting delayed. At some point his thoughts will come true. His thoughts were different from the common man, not as a billionaire but from his early days of life. In every project there is some issue and he had been making use of available resources to make it successful. Now his involvement into Twitter is the reason for the downturn. Once after acquiring he could've left it to function for few years, in between he could've made changes.

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Quote from: yohananaomi on August 22, 2023, 04:05:28 PM

I also believe that by taking over Twitter he knows that the prospects that will be obtained are very large, a strange thing as an entrepreneur would buy something with the aim of wanting to lose and it would be impossible for the famous Elon Musk to do it with very detailed calculations.
actually the way he's been doing it so far by continuing to make changes on Twitter, is a way to provide opportunities for many pros and cons to continue to talk about, this is a very effective and cheap advertisement that can be done so that Twitter becomes trending,
agree, elon musk is smart and visionary [expansive insight into the future], he is able to make whatever he wants to do famous and generate profits to continue to make him rich.

I think it's a little early to admit this since Musk's projects are still under construction and we don't know what results his strange choices will lead to. These options have become somewhat strange, especially with regard to everything related to Twitter, since he began using it to publish tweets in support of the Dodge currency.
The SpaceX project is still unable to reap profits, and this may happen after the year 2030 during the next decade, which is of course not certain.
The Tesla project suffers from increasing technical problems, the most important of which is the battery production crisis, which could cause the cessation of car production if China decides to change its policy in this market, which it controls globally.
I don't know any of the projects that Elon Musk is running that are currently profitable.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 18, 2023, 10:28:55 PM

Today is the first day people receive money from Twitter's revenue sharing policy, I am seeing people showing off the money they received from Elon. Although the amount is not too large, it shows that Elon is gradually reshaping this social network and I believe it is gradually becoming more complete. Unlike a lot of people who are criticizing him for killing Twitter, on the contrary, what I find is that it is becoming more attractive.

You are right, if he is not intelligent and talented, how can he be the wealthiest man in the world? But funny is that there are a lot of idiots out there who are jealous of him and always speak badly of him.

I also believe that by taking over Twitter he knows that the prospects that will be obtained are very large, a strange thing as an entrepreneur would buy something with the aim of wanting to lose and it would be impossible for the famous Elon Musk to do it with very detailed calculations.
actually the way he's been doing it so far by continuing to make changes on Twitter, is a way to provide opportunities for many pros and cons to continue to talk about, this is a very effective and cheap advertisement that can be done so that Twitter becomes trending,
agree, elon musk is smart and visionary [expansive insight into the future], he is able to make whatever he wants to do famous and generate profits to continue to make him rich.

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Quote from: makishart on August 19, 2023, 08:05:08 PM

Quote from: mich on August 19, 2023, 03:31:41 AM

Well there is a big part of twitter that is going to go away. Elon Musk has said that there will be no more blocking of accounts. We will only be allowed to block DM's.

I do not know how I feel about this. If there is a person that is bothering someone I think he can have a right to block him.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-x-will-strip-ability-block-accounts-2023-08-19/

That means elon just wanna see you ignore him without block his account. Elon wants twitter to be as free as possible for anyone. Even though this idea looked like a nonsense idea to let people or someone who bothering us keep showing in our feed. Elon was just making so many changes. There are lots of people who keep using it even though they gonna face accounts that bother them. Many debates will be coming up again as haters can't be blocked. It's a smart idea to increase the interaction on the platforms. There will be a never-ending debate on twitter. Like it or not, this will give an advantage to twitter.

It will surely cause a lot of interaction and gather attention for the platform. However, it is not far-fetched to state that the possible change of removing the block feature for the social media application is too much of a change. In every social media platform, there is each user has the right to block any account they wish to. It is a feature that allows users to feel safe online as they can avoid suspicious accounts. Hence, it cannot be ignored that many, if not all, are against this change.

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Quote from: mich on August 19, 2023, 03:31:41 AM

Well there is a big part of twitter that is going to go away. Elon Musk has said that there will be no more blocking of accounts. We will only be allowed to block DM's.

I do not know how I feel about this. If there is a person that is bothering someone I think he can have a right to block him.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-x-will-strip-ability-block-accounts-2023-08-19/

That means elon just wanna see you ignore him without block his account. Elon wants twitter to be as free as possible for anyone. Even though this idea looked like a nonsense idea to let people or someone who bothering us keep showing in our feed. Elon was just making so many changes. There are lots of people who keep using it even though they gonna face accounts that bother them. Many debates will be coming up again as haters can't be blocked. It's a smart idea to increase the interaction on the platforms. There will be a never-ending debate on twitter. Like it or not, this will give an advantage to twitter.

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Quote from: mich on August 19, 2023, 03:31:41 AM

Well there is a big part of twitter that is going to go away. Elon Musk has said that there will be no more blocking of accounts. We will only be allowed to block DM's.

I do not know how I feel about this. If there is a person that is bothering someone I think he can have a right to block him.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-x-will-strip-ability-block-accounts-2023-08-19/

I think his idea is that Twitter is supposed to be a place where everyone is supposed to be free to say what they think and those ideas are supposed to flow as much as possible, even among people who do not necessarily agree with one another or even dislike one another.

On the other hand, the capacity of being able to block accounts is such a basic feature which so many people have taken for granted for so long, that it could lead more people not to participate as actively as they usually do, because they would see in their feed people who they would rather to ignore completely.

I don't know how he thought this was going to be a good idea...

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Quote from: mich on August 19, 2023, 03:31:41 AM

Well there is a big part of twitter that is going to go away. Elon Musk has said that there will be no more blocking of accounts. We will only be allowed to block DM's.

I do not know how I feel about this. If there is a person that is bothering someone I think he can have a right to block him.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-x-will-strip-ability-block-accounts-2023-08-19/

We know the downside of this situation, so it might be a problem if we can't block someone who is bothering us. But this situation also has a plus side. Increased interaction in X also increases the amount of money you can earn. Many large accounts will have increased their interaction with the opening of the accounts they have blocked.

Of course, the number of people who prefer this is not very large, and it is not right to impose such an obligation. I prefer accounts that I have blocked to stay that way. This should be offered as an option.

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Quote from: dimitrilagunov on August 16, 2023, 11:46:54 AM

I can honestly say that many people around me have complained about the radical change efforts on twitter. maybe Musk's mistake is that he can't tell us exactly the platform he wants to create. but people don't seem to want any other innovation on twitter except for minor improvements. i think he wants to make it a platform where more crypto aware people can use it and get some work done, but i think it's too early for that. as you said, millions of ordinary people use this platform and he should make it a more democratic and user request based platform instead of using it like a rich kid playing with his toy. otherwise this decline will continue.

Many users are lost from Twitter due to Twitter's name and logo change. Personally speaking, I find it very bad now. And now I ignore Twitter. That's exactly how many users are leaving Twitter. This is a wrong decision of Elon Musk on the other hand now anyone can buy a verified badge in exchange of money on Twitter due to which now many fake accounts are also getting verified badge. Due to this, it is becoming difficult to find a legal company's Twitter page. This is another fault of Twitter. I don't know why Elon Musk is doing this. I personally condemn it

Take McDonalds rebranding for example. Search in google how McDonalds looked 20-40-60 years ago. They have completely change the way their restaurants look, the way employees look (uniform), the way menu look (wrapping and etc). Do you think less people started to visit McDonalds or change their taste? Imho every company needs a rebranding. Standing on one place, while industry is walking forward is wrong. Rebranding was needed. In fact, Elon has changed only the logo. Everything else stayed the same. Users habits remained the same. Every single button is on a same place.

I get what you mean but having Twitter and McDonalds or other fast-food chains isn't really a good comparison to begin with. They are both going for a re-branding, yes that is good, but it should have limits, and Twitter got itself twisted because the logo has fully changed without any trace, at all, that it was once the Twitter we knew and that is one of the reasons why they are losing users and as the analyst says, the drop will continue towards 2024 if they cannot find any way to resolve their problems.

Just because you stopped using twitter doesn't mean others are doing the same and not to mention it is attracting new users. The people I'm following on Twitter are even more active thanks to the free speech or Twitter's revenue sharing policy for users, and I don't see any data reporting that the user is leaving the social network since it changed the logo. I know Twitter's blue bird logo is ingrained in our minds, and we get annoyed when it gets changed but that's no reason to think Elon is making a mistake. Don't forget that he is someone who has successfully run many companies and brands. He knows how to please his customers, don't criticize him for just a few small changes. Instead, wait and see what happens with this social network.

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Quote from: bakasabo on August 17, 2023, 05:09:00 AM

Quote from: coinerer on August 16, 2023, 12:48:48 PM

Quote from: dimitrilagunov on August 16, 2023, 11:46:54 AM

I can honestly say that many people around me have complained about the radical change efforts on twitter. maybe Musk's mistake is that he can't tell us exactly the platform he wants to create. but people don't seem to want any other innovation on twitter except for minor improvements. i think he wants to make it a platform where more crypto aware people can use it and get some work done, but i think it's too early for that. as you said, millions of ordinary people use this platform and he should make it a more democratic and user request based platform instead of using it like a rich kid playing with his toy. otherwise this decline will continue.

Many users are lost from Twitter due to Twitter's name and logo change. Personally speaking, I find it very bad now. And now I ignore Twitter. That's exactly how many users are leaving Twitter. This is a wrong decision of Elon Musk on the other hand now anyone can buy a verified badge in exchange of money on Twitter due to which now many fake accounts are also getting verified badge. Due to this, it is becoming difficult to find a legal company's Twitter page. This is another fault of Twitter. I don't know why Elon Musk is doing this. I personally condemn it

Take McDonalds rebranding for example. Search in google how McDonalds looked 20-40-60 years ago. They have completely change the way their restaurants look, the way employees look (uniform), the way menu look (wrapping and etc). Do you think less people started to visit McDonalds or change their taste? Imho every company needs a rebranding. Standing on one place, while industry is walking forward is wrong. Rebranding was needed. In fact, Elon has changed only the logo. Everything else stayed the same. Users habits remained the same. Every single button is on a same place.

I get what you mean but having Twitter and McDonalds or other fast-food chains isn't really a good comparison to begin with. They are both going for a re-branding, yes that is good, but it should have limits, and Twitter got itself twisted because the logo has fully changed without any trace, at all, that it was once the Twitter we knew and that is one of the reasons why they are losing users and as the analyst says, the drop will continue towards 2024 if they cannot find any way to resolve their problems.

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You have a point because there is new management on it, so for sure having to change its name and branding is a possibility because the original owner is not there anymore, and those people who invest to earn big on it have a responsibility to change it on whatever they want too. Also, I don't see people laving Twitter ber like the purpose is the same ,but correc m e if i am wrnng as i am not reall into Ttwiteer as i a into Facacebook but you ar righ right functions are there and stil what Twitttwitter before is still the same riht nowow so i don't really understand why.

Behind the change of name there used to be some reason and the same won't be exposed in the short time. Over time people will come to know or the real reason behind the new name. For now it looks like it is his tag letter, because almost everything he owns have got a X. Earlier it is the SpaceX and now Twitter getting rebranded to "X" which could make changes.

I'm sure there is a reason for the rebranding of the name and specifically using X. Twitter or X, is still the same platform with some changes that the developers and its current owner believe to make user experience the best. Explanation as to why it is X does not have to be a big deal as it still remains to be the social media platform people use to connect. In fact, I agree with both of you about it not being a big deal. X or Twitter, it will still be used by many and it will not be the sole cause as to why the platform will (possibly) fall one day.

There must be a big reason behind Twitter changing its name and logo to X. Just as Facebook is now under the control of Meta, I think Elon Musk is planning to open a big company called X, that's why he changed Twitter's name and logo to X. Just as Meta controls all social media including facebook messenger instagram, I think Elon Musk will bring some more social media into the market and his social media may be controlled by X company. Since we don't have any confirmed news, we can only assume that for now and Elon Musk's Twitter name and logo change. Since Elon Musk has not explained any reason for having his Twitter account logo and name X, we may have to wait to know the exact reason.

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Well there is a big part of twitter that is going to go away. Elon Musk has said that there will be no more blocking of accounts. We will only be allowed to block DM's.

I do not know how I feel about this. If there is a person that is bothering someone I think he can have a right to block him.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-x-will-strip-ability-block-accounts-2023-08-19/

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 18, 2023, 10:28:55 PM

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You are right, if he is not intelligent and talented, how can he be the wealthiest man in the world? But funny is that there are a lot of idiots out there who are jealous of him and always speak badly of him.

Left-wing ecosystem was rattled after Elon took over Twitter and restored freedom of speech. Before the acquisition, Twitter was a left-winger's ultimate dreamland. When people like Vijaya Gadde and Yoel Roth were in charge, they used to ban accounts that would put up anything even remotely related to right-wing. On the other hand, left-wing lunatics and Islamist fanatics who openly advertise genocide against "non-believers" were given a free run. But all of that changed once Elon took over. Initially everyone was predicting that Twitter would not survive if a majority of the staff is laid off. But the platform is doing fine, even after the staff-strength was reduced by 90%.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 18, 2023, 10:10:24 PM

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He's arguably one of the smartest men in the world. I don't think he has any interest in buying Twitter and satisfying his personal tastes. However, there is something wrong and Twitter is losing value all the time. I think if Twitter, like YouTube, shared its revenues with content creators, things could be good again. Elon Musk should change the selfish nature of Twitter and put less restrictions on users. If he doesn't have any other ideas, he can make things right again by taking these simple measures.

I am not sure about this. First of all, Twitter generates only a fraction of the revenue that YouTube generates. So it is not an apple to apple comparison. The argument that Twitter is losing its value doesn't sound accurate for me. The market-share is there and nothing is going to change that. Even Zuckerberg with his Threads failed in capturing the market share from Twitter, despite having overwhelming support from the ecosystem. And don't ever underestimate Elon Musk. He is the world's richest man for a reason.

Today is the first day people receive money from Twitter's revenue sharing policy, I am seeing people showing off the money they received from Elon. Although the amount is not too large, it shows that Elon is gradually reshaping this social network and I believe it is gradually becoming more complete. Unlike a lot of people who are criticizing him for killing Twitter, on the contrary, what I find is that it is becoming more attractive.

You are right, if he is not intelligent and talented, how can he be the wealthiest man in the world? But funny is that there are a lot of idiots out there who are jealous of him and always speak badly of him.

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Quote from: trendcoin on August 18, 2023, 08:53:53 AM

He's arguably one of the smartest men in the world. I don't think he has any interest in buying Twitter and satisfying his personal tastes. However, there is something wrong and Twitter is losing value all the time. I think if Twitter, like YouTube, shared its revenues with content creators, things could be good again. Elon Musk should change the selfish nature of Twitter and put less restrictions on users. If he doesn't have any other ideas, he can make things right again by taking these simple measures.

I am not sure about this. First of all, Twitter generates only a fraction of the revenue that YouTube generates. So it is not an apple to apple comparison. The argument that Twitter is losing its value doesn't sound accurate for me. The market-share is there and nothing is going to change that. Even Zuckerberg with his Threads failed in capturing the market share from Twitter, despite having overwhelming support from the ecosystem. And don't ever underestimate Elon Musk. He is the world's richest man for a reason.

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