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I personally don't care if it is Elon Musk or a random guy who says he thinks who Satoshi might be.

In the wording Musk did not say that he knows who Satosthi is, but only what he believes or considers most likely. And there was the name Nick Szabo. Of course, you could dismiss this as pure speculation, but maybe Elon Musk knows more than we do. However, as I already said, I personally don't believe that Szabo is Satoshi. But I guess everyone has their own opinion on that.
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what Nick Szabo is referring to as a satoshi at this time is that he was in touch with BitGold a few years ago and after BitGold disappeared then bitcoin appeared and this can be used as a reference when talking about matchology.
basically the systems of BitGold and Bitcoin have significant similarities.
But this is again just wild speculation circulating at this time without being able to know whether it is true or not.
Maybe now Satoshi is smiling and seeing how the debates and claims against him are getting hotter and hotter with lots of arguments in it.
Apart from that, I personally don't really care who his real identity is, but what is clear is that I will only be grateful for his hard work in creating a technology that can be said to be phenomenal in this century and hopefully he will always be healthy whenever and wherever he is now.

Not significant, it is only 0.1% based on the research of a Skye Gray. In a conversation between the questioner and the relevant resource person, regarding the suitability that is being studied. Even the SG was not convinced at all. I remind you it's only about 0.1%. So let's take a look at how this started and what their conversation was like. I found it here https://techcrunch.com/2013/12/05/who-is-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-one-researcher-may-have-found-the-answer/

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SG: Originally it was simple curiosity that drew me to the question. I like mysteries. Then I decided to publish what I found for two reasons:
– so that other people could attack my method and findings, or validate them. I want certitudes, and keeping for me what I had found would not get me anywhere.
– so as to address people’s concerns that a “bad guy” might have created Bitcoin. I think this question is what could harm the mainstream adoption of Bitcoin in the near future.

TC: How sure are you it’s Nick Szabo?
SG: I am not certain it’s Nick Szabo, but I have quite a few independent pieces of evidence pointing in his direction, each one interesting in itself:
– text analysis (only 0.1% of cryptography researchers could have produced this writing style –again, please, attack my methods on this)
– fact that Nick was searching for technical collaborators on the bit gold project (a very similar cryptocurrency) a few months before the announcement of Bitcoin (and then the bit gold project became perfectly silent)
– lack of citation of Nick’s work by Satoshi, whereas he cited other, less related cryptocurrencies
– lack of reaction on Nick’s part about Bitcoin, whereas a decentralized currency like Bitcoin had been a major project of his for 10 years
– fact that Nick deliberately post-dated his bit gold articles to look posterior to Bitcoin, shortly after the announcement of Bitcoin

Currently I am in contact with two different persons who will be running their own independent textual analysis to confirm my own.

TC: Does it matter? What would it change if it did, in your opinion?
SG: I think it’s very important to identify Satoshi at this point in Bitcoin’s history. The “agenda” behind Bitcoin, if there is any, cannot stay in the shadow if Bitcoin is to become a mainstream alternative currency, a challenge to the world’s monetary status quo. There has been speculation that Bitcoin may have been created by a government agency (the main employers of cryptographers of mathematicians) in an attempt to make financial transactions easier to mine for interesting data patterns: we need to clear that up before we start relying heavily on Bitcoin in our lives.

I think it would be great news for Bitcoin if Nick Szabo turned out to be the mastermind behind it. Nick appears to be a remarkably brilliant, disinterested polymath academic. Who would you rather have at the origins of Bitcoin, a visionary professor and collaborators, or spooks?

TC: How has your digging gone over in the BTC community? It seems like an unpopular topic at best.
SG: It has not been received well, many people are telling me to “leave Satoshi alone”. But when one starts having a huge impact on the world, one loses his right to anonymity. Satoshi currently holds about BTC 1M, valued at USD $1B, and has the power to potentially crash the Bitcoin markets. We need to know who the people who have power over us are, and what their intentions are. This is why we require background checks on our elected leaders. In the same way we need a “background check” on the Bitcoin system before we start handing it our monetary exchanges. Next would be to know what has become of Satoshi’s BTC stash.

The anonymous figure of Satoshi probably played a role in the early adoption of Bitcoin (“we are all Satoshi”), because the mystery created a powerful story drawing in early enthusiasts. Now this anonymity has become an obstacle to mainstream adoption, because there is legitimate concern over the origins and purpose of Bitcoin.

TC: How easy is it to assess identity via written “tics?”
SG: It’s rather easy. We all use language in our own particular way: the probability distribution over rare expressions, sentence structures, and stop words in our writing constitute a “signature” of sorts. It is not nearly as uniquely discriminative as a fingerprint, or DNA, but it is discriminative enough to distinguish one person out of a few hundreds or even thousands. For some people who tend to have more particular tics, like authors or academics, it constitutes a solid identification process.

In the case of Satoshi, I identified a number of unusual content-neutral expressions used both in Satoshi’s whitepaper and in Nick’s papers. For 4 of these expressions, I was able to estimate (using Google Scholar) the proportion of researchers in the cryptography community susceptible of using these expressions in a paper. These proportions are respectively 15%, 10%, 15%, and 50%. Assuming the use of each one is independent of the use of the others, the joint probability of finding a researcher using all of them in their writing is on the order of 0.1%. So this particular combination of writing tics could identify one cryptographer out of 1000. Even if these approximations are off by a large factor, the joint probability will stay quite small.

TC: Are there any close runners-up for the Satoshi identity?
SG: Nick is by far the number one candidate. I have nothing else significant enough to be worth mentioning.

TC: How many bitcoin do you have?
SG: Let’s say I have between 1 and 10 BTC. I am not heavily invested in Bitcoin, but I am definitely bullish on its adoption prospects.
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Saw this on the news yesterday, We cannot be sure about Satoshi and his real identity. He didn't log in to the forum for years and none heard anything about him during all these times just some famous and infamous people tried to say I'm the great Satoshi and stead his work and reputation, even if Elon is right and Szabo is the real Satoshi he will never say such thing because this would have a negative effect on the market also will put his own life in danger, I also don't know Szabo and got no information about it but maybe Elon is just trying to attract some attention to him.
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I personally don't care if it is Elon Musk or a random guy who says he thinks who Satoshi might be.
If any person claims to be Satoshi then the only way to prove the ownership over Satoshi's identity is to sign a message using Satoshi's keys.
I wouldn't trust any other way of verification because anybody can claim he is Satoshi.
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The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?
I was surprised after some research to find out that the issue of Nick Szabo being the author of the Bitcoin Whitepaper had happened in the year 2014 before I even join the Bitcoin scheme.
According to coindesk article which was written in the year 2014, the specific word phrases and publications used to judge Nick Szabo as the author of the Bitcoin whitepaper is

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“trusted third parties”, “for our purposes”, “need for ...”, “chain of ...” among others. The bitcoin paper also includes commas before ‘and’ and ‘but’, plenty of hyphenation, ‘-ly’ adverbs, pronouns ‘we’ and ‘our’ in a paper supposedly written by a single author.

Furthermore, the researchers found that the bitcoin whitepaper was drafted using Latex, an open-source document preparation system. Latex is also used by Szabo for all his publications.
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Lots of speculations about who the real Satoshi is have been existing for years but no one could provide pieces of evidence to prove it. I believe that it's easy for anyone to guess but even influential personalities just like Elon Musk could prove it. The real Satoshi Nakamoto might have chosen peace and silence over power and fame so he's keeping his identity private.
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Elon musk really like made a new rumor just for his own benefit. In the beginning, he accepted BTC for buying tesla, and he invest a lot of money for BTC then he said about an environmental issue and impact on BTC price. I don't believe what Whales said. In the fact that they're really easy for making an issue which influenced the psychology of penny's investor. I ever watched on fyp's Tiktok, Dan Pena said if you know who's behind BTC, the price will be zero, then he said crypto is just Putin's conspiracy. So, whatever they said is just an issue and we don't have to consider it seriously.

https://coinnounce.com/dan-pena-reveals-the-person-behind-bitcoin-says-it-will-go-to-zero/
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I still have my doubts with people who claim to be the creators of bitcoin or with satoshi people. I am more arguing that the name Satoshi is not a person but a nickname from an organization that is deliberately created as a specific person's designation. behind the creator bitcoin must have many people but the status is deliberately kept secret, with the aim that they are safe from all sectors of threats and apart from that it is easy for them to control various cryptocurrencies so that they are always centralized.
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Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?
It is quite funny that the person the world is believing to be the real satoshinakamoto is denying knowing anything about how Bitcoin was created, why those that we don't even believe that they are satoshinakamoto are the ones who are coming out to claim that they are the creator of Bitcoin.

Anyways, for now we can say that we have not seen the real Satoshi , although this guy that everyone is pointing at right from time (Nick Szabo) seems to be quite close to being the real satoshinakamoto due to a lot of things about him can be linked to the idea of Bitcoin. Apart from him, others who have come out to claim that they are the satoshinakamoto doesn’t really have much to prove for it. And at the end they just fell, because they have nothing to backup their claims.
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it's just an assumption from Elon, even though it's true that Mr. Szabo is Satoshi, he has to prove it himself to be valid.

btw. I really like Elon's way of joking, even though it's getting less and less funny Cheesy


The fact that Elon Musk and many others believe that Nick Szabo is Satoshi, makes my belief stronger that Nick Szabo is NOT Satoshi. Believe me, Satoshi took those extra steps to confuse the cypherpunks, the Bitcoin community, and the general public.

For me, Satoshi was Hal Finney.

I personally still believe that Satosthi was Len Sassaman

And then we wonder why EM thinks Nick Szabo is Satoshi, and everyone has their own opinion. Since no one mentioned Wei Dai, I will say that it is possible that he is Satoshi - although he has repeatedly denied this possibility. What we do know is that Satoshi was very familiar with the work of Wei Dai and contacted him several times while working on the project.

Wei Dai and Adam Back were the first two people contacted by Satoshi Nakamoto as he was developing Bitcoin in 2008 and the b-money paper was referenced in the subsequent Bitcoin whitepaper.

In a May 2011 article, noted cryptographer Nick Szabo stated:

Myself, Wei Dai, and Hal Finney were the only people I know of who liked the idea (or in Dai's case his related idea) enough to pursue it to any significant extent until Nakamoto (assuming Nakamoto is not really Finney or Dai)


One of them is Satoshi, and he’s confusing the other two. Hahaha.
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what Nick Szabo is referring to as a satoshi at this time is that he was in touch with BitGold a few years ago and after BitGold disappeared then bitcoin appeared and this can be used as a reference when talking about matchology.
basically the systems of BitGold and Bitcoin have significant similarities.
But this is again just wild speculation circulating at this time without being able to know whether it is true or not.
Maybe now Satoshi is smiling and seeing how the debates and claims against him are getting hotter and hotter with lots of arguments in it.
Apart from that, I personally don't really care who his real identity is, but what is clear is that I will only be grateful for his hard work in creating a technology that can be said to be phenomenal in this century and hopefully he will always be healthy whenever and wherever he is now.
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For me, Satoshi was Hal Finney.

I personally still believe that Satosthi was Len Sassaman

And then we wonder why EM thinks Nick Szabo is Satoshi, and everyone has their own opinion. Since no one mentioned Wei Dai, I will say that it is possible that he is Satoshi - although he has repeatedly denied this possibility. What we do know is that Satoshi was very familiar with the work of Wei Dai and contacted him several times while working on the project.

Wei Dai and Adam Back were the first two people contacted by Satoshi Nakamoto as he was developing Bitcoin in 2008 and the b-money paper was referenced in the subsequent Bitcoin whitepaper.

In a May 2011 article, noted cryptographer Nick Szabo stated:

Myself, Wei Dai, and Hal Finney were the only people I know of who liked the idea (or in Dai's case his related idea) enough to pursue it to any significant extent until Nakamoto (assuming Nakamoto is not really Finney or Dai)
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Well there is finally something I agree with Elon on, that Nick Szabo is Satoshi. I’ve spent far too much of my time looking in to this. Not that I want Satoshi to be figured out or to come out with it or whatever, but just because it’s one of the greatest mysteries of all time. Szabo is arguably the worlds most knowledgeable when it comes to crypto.. BitGold, creator of Smart Contracts etc. Also have to ask yourself why Nick doesn’t have a known bitcointalk account.
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This is not a new insight. Musk is merely picking up on something that has been discussed for a long time. Nick Szabo has certainly had a big influence on Satosthi through his previous research. Whether it's himself or someone else. I personally still believe that Satosthi was Len Sassaman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Sassaman
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I seriously doubt that. If he did consult anybody half smart in bitcoin community they would have told him to stop repeating the same old arguments that were made many years ago about a pointless topic.
He just seeks more attention and what better topic for attention these days than the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto specially since these days the Scammer Wright made a headline or two.
He didn't need to consult anyone because he is self proclaimed genius who knows all the shit in the market and that's why he sees so many use case of Doge the official currency for his Mars colonization but the other developers who have spent their whole life to contribute to the btc community can't see.The creator of doge doesn't want to return to the project and he thinks he can make people fool out of his rubbish tweet gameplay.Here is one relevant meme describing his situation in much better way :


He needs some serious mind chilling pills to take a break and see the reality but you know in actual he just wants to scam people through these shitcoins by shilling about them on twitter and then people will start investing in it and he will always remain in news and gain profits out of it.But these tricks don't work for long and same is happening with him which is why now Satohsi topic struck in his mind to come back to public.

I watched this event quite by accident, and I must admit that I was surprised by how unprofessional EM was with his overall appearance, as he had obviously just woken up and was not ready to take part in any serious discussion. He is a classic businessman who sets himself up as he sees fit at the moment, which means that we will witness his at least strange statements many more times.
He might have prepared but how can he get himself ready to face off someone knowing the core functioning of bitcoin and clown musk have no idea about what the hell they are going to discuss because no technical knowledge at all.Ofcourse he is businesses person and can issue statement with trend and make profits out of it but he is going off trend in this market.I watched this event and know in advance what's going to happen but the t-shirt was surprising to me.His facial expressions most of the time looks similar to me so not going on that part.
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This obsession with Satoshi Nakamoto's identity should be added as an achievement in the Guiness book of World Records in my opinion. Personally, I don't care who it is since his/her contributions are all that matter to me.

He/she clearly never had any intention of exposing themself to the entire world which makes sense and I respect his/her decision in this regard.
I'm on the same page as yours, since I also think that Satoshi Nakamoto wouldn't expose himself to the public. What we are trying to do here is just guessing and guessing without a proper evidence and is just comparing something that looks plausible. We should stop searching a person who doesn't want to be find and this obsession of finding someone has nothing to gain actually even if you say this is an achievement. We should stop meddling some people's personal life and what Elon Musk did was just a stunts to gain publicity he's been doing that ever since.
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What's next? Will he post about Bitcoin reaching at or will post about how bad bitcoin is? Grin

For a person like him, it is certainly not a problem to appear in the media whenever he wants, he just needs to choose one of the offers that he finds most interesting. And it is more evident that he does not have a firm stance when it comes to cryptocurrencies, which makes him a bit ridiculous if we consider that he first buys 40 000+ BTC, and then states that mining of that same BTC destroys the world by consuming too much energy - if 0.2% is too much, he has problems with elementary mathematics.



The same thing happened when he accepted to come at btc discussion among Jack and Cathie wood on Bitcoin event to have a conversation on which we saw he was wearing bitcoin evolution t-shirt and then supporting it also.

I watched this event quite by accident, and I must admit that I was surprised by how unprofessional EM was with his overall appearance, as he had obviously just woken up and was not ready to take part in any serious discussion. He is a classic businessman who sets himself up as he sees fit at the moment, which means that we will witness his at least strange statements many more times.
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This obsession with Satoshi Nakamoto's identity should be added as an achievement in the Guiness book of World Records in my opinion. Personally, I don't care who it is since his/her contributions are all that matter to me.

He/she clearly never had any intention of exposing themself to the entire world which makes sense and I respect his/her decision in this regard.
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If they're right about satoshi nakamoto identity, then what? is there a reward?

If we knew Satoshi's identity, so we would be able to say/ask him, whether his early mined coins (~1 million) will be moved or not.
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Well, at least it's not Craig Faketoshi. Nick Szabo is actually a computer scientist, and he is at least smart enough to have created Bitcoin. I agree with Musk that his ideas seem fundamental for Bitcoin, and that it doesn't really matter who the founder is. But Nick is definitely not the only one whose ideas seem fundamental. For example, David Chaum's eCash seems close enough and was created in 1995, so is Musk not aware of this guy's existence? Also, I don't think it's reasonable to maintain that someone is Satoshi if this person repeatedly denies it. As for Musk's views being discussed on the forum, I think it's inevitable. He's very popular, and while his opinion doesn't matter as much as it used to (in terms of Bitcoin's price movements), it's still something that many people care about.
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