Topic: End of Governments - page 4. (Read 6575 times)

Microsoft country has started a little war in Middle East. It is not working. Solution is simple. Let's close this war and start it again, maybe it will work for us then.

Wrong.
Once microsoft IS your country you will have just as much or even less choice than you had before.

is this lordhawkeye from youtube?

No one is arguing that the only way this society can function is if it is the only society. There is plenty of room on this planet for some people to try this particular experiment and for others to try other experiments.


if a companies offers are not competitive enough consumers will opt to use a different company. This forces companies to compete with each other on the basis of price and quality. Thus we see there is no dichotomy of giving the customer a good deal vs making more money, in a free market giving the customer a good deal is the only way (besides fraud) to make money.


in a free market why would it be in the interest of a company to screw over its customers? if we are talking about fraud, as an example if we are talking about a bank rading its customers accounts than this is a type of fraud that would be extremely rare absent limited liability. if you are talking about the company not defrauding but just taking unreasonable profits, than this company will quickly be crowded out of the market by entrepreneurs who are willing to work for smaller profits.


there is some truth to this but it is important to understand that david is not claiming to offer the keys to heaven, he is claiming to offer a system that would be better than what we have now and better than atleast most other proposed alternatives. Granted this market will never exist in the theoretical state of perfect competition but ANY amount of competition among service providers is better than a full on, out in the open, non apologetic, monopoly. Sometimes in life we are forced not to chose between good and bad or right and wrong, but bad and worse or wrong and wronger. The best case scenario is that everyone behave peacefully and we wouldn't need law, but since this is not realistic and we do need law, its *better* to have that law be provided by competing firms than by a monpolist.

Nah, you don't really get it.
See, Microsoft will need you.
Microsoft will be cultivating its own people.
You won't want to leave microsoft because you will be genetically bound to it.
If you pay off your life-debt (the one you got when your parents decided to make a child) you may leave.

Microsoft lets me opt out of their services and keep my computer. I'd like to opt out of the government's services and keep my house.

In general, you can opt out of the government and choose a competitor. Try harder. Enough of everyone's excuses.

If I think Microsoft is competent I can go with them.  If not I can go with a competitor.

With the government, I have no choice.

Microsoft doesn't force me to be a customer.  They try their best to lock you in once you do, but it's still your choice and you can always opt out.  Not so with the government.

The government of course knows this, which is why it generally doesn't bother serving my needs as it's customer.  It knows it's got my money regardless so why make much of an effort?

I couldn't agree more, but it would be a much better option than what we have now.

Choice does not guarantee freedom in any way.

Exactly ladies and gents, you'll have a choice.

Freedom is choice, not enforcement.

Microsoft is competent at locking people into bloated software packages, overcharging for said packages, and keeping money for themselves. Microsoft is also incompetent at changing and innovating.

I'll take the government over Microsoft any day.

microsoft is so so so sooo sooo sooooooooo much more competent than the united states government. Ill take my chances.

The internet escaped the milspecs long time ago.
Only parts are redundant these days and they also rely on working infras in society.

These bits.

Let me ask, what government would YOU like? The current style? or if you had the choice to design a 'people friendly' government, are you happy living under your current government? Or would you prefer a transparent government? And whatever you answer, try saying the same answer when your government decides to copy Cyprus.

Just to add, someone early in this thread said something along the lines of;


Indeed, and I hope so. But the major point is, that the 'initial' wallet that government officials get paid with would be identified and would be visible for ALL to observe whenever they wished. So any 'extra under the table' money can be observed.

Yes, they could have other wallets that they'd be using to be getting 'under the table bribes'. And here's how a system can stop that.

-  ONLY allow a political party to spend money from their designated wallet (or wallets) -
- IF things look dodgy, then ANYONE can go looking through the bitchain - This will be the fear into the corrupt to abide by the people.

And here's a little secret for you,

There are hardly NO Governments left (huh?? shock horror?!) - what exists is the global banking empire - your government is dead, it died a long time ago, what exists is a shell of a corpse that the global banking empire has crawled into and pretends it's your government.

Tell me about how yours, or any government, around the world has dealt with HSBC as a government SHOULD (according to constitution and international law). Tell me about how yours, or any government has dealt with the lies to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and Libyia, and everywhere else that's been invaded. Tell me about how your government protects its people as it raises taxes and cuts benefits whilst dolling out HUGE bonuses to bankers. Tell me about how your government continues to bring to light pedophile investigations into their administrations (US & UK, I havn't had time to look into other countries, but they were/are involved) over the decades. Tell me about your government making sure that voting is not twisted and cheated upon (especially in the US, I feel sorry for you guys and gals). Tell me about how the Greek and Cyprus governments protect their people as they steal their money for the EU and international banks. Tell me about how Iceland's government survived when their crisis hit the fan a few years back.

I could go on, but you get the picture.

Your governments are dead, or maybe there's a breath in there somewhere and we can kick out the parasite .. or we leave the infested corrupt body to die with the bankers as we move forward into a new era.

Cut the puppet strings and watch the infested puppet corpse drop.

cbeast, don't worry .. well actually, you should worry.

A drug cartel run country ... I must assume you live on a different planet. There's around 5 countries in the world of whom their governments don't have their fingers in the drug trade. You are extremely naive if you think otherwise. All the evidence is right there, they ARE that arrogant.

GW Pharmaceuticals heads various organisations (bayer) globally (just to name 1 drug cartel). And yes, certain individuals have their sticky fingers in the 'illegal drugs' trade.

Here's a tiny bit of information for you - very recently (a few months ago) the Director of the financial part of international terrorism in the UK was caught being involved in money laundering. Ofc this information wasn't splashed all over the mainstream media, because the ones in charge are getting paid off also, but is the information is there, if you wish to open your eyes and look.

Also, (patented years back), GW has now put forward a new patent design for the treatment and prevention of Cancer (cannabis), now that they can commercialise it the governments (US first) will twist the law appropriately so that GW (and bayer by extension) will be able to 'legally sell' their cannabis as extortionate prices as a 'Cancer Cure'. The patent went forward for review a few days ago.

http://www.clear-uk.org/new-patent-granted-on-cannabis-compounds-for-treatment-and-prevention-of-cancer/

(yes, I'm plugging us, but its the most relevant)

Also .. about the 'drug cartel run country' - who do you think let HSBC get away with laundering soooo much money (yes, they got caught with xxx amount, how much do you think they didn't get caught with?) - no government will touch them, because they're hand in hand with the drug cartels.

Wake up.

1 word - Cyprus

Now I know you all didn't see this coming, but there it is, the start of the end, welcome to tomorrow, glad to ride these waves with you

The internet is run completely privately. There's no reason whatsoever that it couldn't keep on chugging, and plenty of reasons why it would. (Primary being that it was designed to.)

Ding ding ding, you win a cookie Sir

I find it unlikely that governmental authority would dissolve, yet the Internet would continue to function well enough for Bitcoin to be an exchange medium.