Topic: Enforce “grammarly ” like score minimum to post.. (Read 530 times)

At some points we fail to understand the purpose of the group we are into. It happens every and not only in this forum. It is obvious that OP has forgotten the main aim of this group and if given the opportunity to be an admin, he will end up implementing what will not help the group.

You would have better suggested that everyone who doesn't have a bitcoin address in his profile shouldn't post here. It means the person doesn't own, use or believe in bitcoin. Something like this is making more sense.

I don't know man...  Sounds kind of racist to me.  I'm sure there are lots of brilliant people with good ideas and contributions but English is not their first language.  Maybe some people dismiss them or don't want to read what they have to say as a result, but I don't think excluding those users from posting because they speak a different language is a positive development.  As others have stated, you wouldn't have been able to make this thread with your ending sentences like this.. 

I rarely (is this my first time?) pull the race card, but it seems appropriate here.  If we're going to focus on censoring individuals here, I think we should be more focused on censoring lies and attacks, not grammar. 

I was aghast that in the twelve days since this thread started, OP has received zero merits.  I was preparing to fix that...

...but then, I noticed that OP ends most sentences with two periods.  And the topic title has a lopsided stray space inside quotation marks, only on one side.  And... and...

What gives?

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When I become forum administrator,^* I will permaban anyone who fails to conclude a declaratory sentence with a period.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/world/europe/period-full-stop-point-whatever-its-called-millennials-arent-using-it.html

Come to think of it, the “nuke user” button was invented for this reason.

One period, Eddie.  Or do you double your periods in protest against that moronic trend?  Lulz..  Perhaps I should try it myself..

Also to be nuked:  Anyone who writes contractions without apostrophes.  ’Tis the cant of illiterates.

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^* I am undecided on what to do about the global pandemic of noun modifiers.

My point exactly. It's a bitcoin discussion forum and the use of English in boards tha arebt pertaining to a particular local boards are just an addition to generally accepted mode of communication in most of our world. Not so many are fluent in English not to talk of writing or being grammatically constructive. You've got to pardon to pardon the non English natives for not being up to standard and might be abusing your spoken language. It's jus the way It is when your a foreign national learning a different language other than  your own.

Most foreign nationals to English language uses the help of transalators just to contribute on the forum and you could agree with me that they are doing their utmost. The best that could be done is to correct or report to moderators should the post be a shitty or spam post.

That is really down to whether Theymos will code in a PHP grammar library in the part of the SMF area for submitting posts.

I can already see classification problems that will arise from this. Software commands, types of hardware, companies etc. might degrade the score as a grammar checker can already recognize those as words, and its not like Grammarly has a PHP integration library.

It is correct to say that posts with good and correct English grammar attracts attention and always good to read and contribute. Apart from good English grammar, there are other things such as cohesiveness of the post. That is the relationship between the tittle, the introduction, the body and conclusion of the post.

Notwithstanding, this is not an English forum for learning English grammar. In as much as your post can be understood and it carries some weight, you are good to go. Grammar and others are just added advantage and not  prerequisites.

your advice is very good. But for me if this forum is complicated with things like good and correct grammar. so I think this forum is not suitable if you have to use rules that require members to always use good and correct grammar. because considering the members in this forum from various parts of the world or from various countries, with different cultures and languages. they all want to continue to contribute even with all their limitations in good and correct language. at least they have tried to convey. related to grammar which is still far from literary and grammatical rules, then this is not a problem. The important thing is that we all can understand the meaning of what is written and the purpose of writing.

but the rule that recommends using good and correct grammar so that it is easy to understand is acceptable. but do not make it mandatory or mandatory rules. because it will only make this forum a place of rigid and monotonous discussion.

I myself work as a writer in real life. but I in this forum often use free and informal language. because the discussion forum prioritizes the content of the topics discussed and the delivery in order to understand each other between those in discussion. unless this is a formal formal forum such as containing serious discussions related to education and government. then that's understandable. but this forum is a discussion forum that is free of expression with certain limitations. So far I'm comfortable in this forum even though I haven't joined for a long time. because the rules are friendly. but if the rules are complicated like a formal forum then i think i will give up and leave.

The explanation why some reports remain unhandled can be found on the following link :


This means that some of the unhandled reports can actually be considered as something that does not exist in official statistics, and could be classified as soft-bad. I suggest that you don't worry too much about these questions, because realistically you can't change anything.

So if the mods have seen the report and don't agree with me, why not make them classified as bad reports (I have 2 bad reports as well).

The above explanation will now make a confusion between a bad report and a unhandled report 

It does at the moment when you make the report. As soon as you report a post to the mods, it's status is unhandled. But if the post remains as unhandled for days, weeks, and several months, the admins have seen it but don't agree with your report to delete the post. Consider your long standing unhandled reports as being partially bad. If they were good, the mods would have acted on them.

It is a good suggestion but the problem is that you can't enforce this on this forum because this is not an academic forum. There are people who just come to post their services or projects and we can't just ask them to first pass an English test. They already have to buy a copper membership to eliminate the limitation of newbies and now we cannot just put another hurdle in their way.



Doesn't unhandled means that mods have not seen it yet and it will be handled shortly. But yeah i have these 5 unhandled for a long time now  

No.

No

I don't think the approach should be to force people to do something the way I or we like it. I put a lot of effort into my posting. I am concerned about the grammar and spell-check everything. But if the person next to me doesn't want to do that or even wants to sound like an illiterate idiot, that's their call. 

It would stop the average shitposter, but then again, the admins can stop them as well and not give them 100 attempts to better themselves. However, the forum doesn't want to be that restrictive. 

It might also prevent legit users who are terrible in English from posting and I wouldn't want that. I don't think we should measure someone's knowledge and interest in Bitcoin with how well they can write in English.

Its indeed a good idea but like everyone else have said here, this is not needed for several reasons, and one of those is that this kind of feature will create a big divide on the forum, those who are not really good with English will see this feature as a discrimination against them rather than a way of learning.
And also do not forget that we have the local boards, where users post in their local languages, will the algorithm be able to detect when a user is posting in their local board so as to automatically turn off the grammar enforcer so as to allow the user post without hindrances?
This and many more reasons are the reason why I also think this is not needed.

Also, whenever you add software to a existing code set, which you hadn't coded, therefore scalability might have not been considered at the time of coding it, things can get a little tricky. Since, even basic implementations end up breaking unexpected things.

Although, we've definitely seen quite a lot of newly added features over the years, and they're usually carefully thought out, and well implemented. I'd prefer that, over a slap job of just putting any, and all ideas that come to mind into the software.

The root of the problem is that any changes in the current version of the forum will entail the addition of edits in the new software.

That's why we don't see any innovations.

IMHO, this is the forum which is actually meant for interacting with others so grammar doesn't play a big role, a ship post can be created with grammatically correct and no error in spellings so I won't recognize a post without proper grammar as a good post, as we need is we can understand the context of the post and discuss further so that is what actually it should be.

Not sure I would agree, I don't find the grammar of most users a stumbling block, even when they're spamming, and something like this seems like it would hurt the legitimate users, rather than those that are trying to spam. Plus, I bet Grammarly would disagree with how I phrase, and setup sentences. I'm not the greatest English writer myself, and I'm sure if any of you have met a Welsh person or even a Scottish person, we don't exactly speak the best of English either.

I don't know, most of the spam I deal with isn't because of grammar at all. I assume when you say grammar you mean sort of hard to understand sentences, rather than putting apostrophes, commas, and periods in the right place. If it's the latter, I'd probably disagree entirely.

Ultimately, we're a multinational forum, and therefore varying degrees of English. As long as it's somewhat understandable, I personally don't have a problem at all.

70% grammar if this will going to be mandatory or requirements to be a good use of this forum this contains two types of impact, first it will lead to the forum being more fluent in grammar and increasing the high-quality posters.  But in real life, it's hard to fix your post if you did not know the exact word you used or let's say exact grammar. Even if you are using Grammarly it means that there's still a chance that you made a mistake and posted with wrong grammar because we all know that nobody is perfect.

You won't really improve forum post quality by correcting shitposter grammar mistakes, and I wouldn't force anyone to write only ''correct'' English language.
Most web browsers have built-in basic spell checkers so it should be simple for everyone to notice mistakes as they type if they enable this option.
I have a simple solution for this when I notice some member is making low quality posts multiple times, report to moderator and ignore him if he is doing this all the time.

The other issue with spelling and grammar checks is people who post form mobile. I have posted some things form a phone wile on a train. Sometimes they are long well formatted posts. Other times they look like I was drunk posting. And when I go back later I really wonder how I did not catch / fix a bunch of the mistakes before hitting post.

Eliminating that reason however, many times in a technical discussion there is no proper grammar. There would have to be exceptions for posted snips of code. And quotes would have to be ignored. And a way to show that something is math. Log files would have to be ignored and so on.

-Dave