Topic: Enforce “grammarly ” like score minimum to post.. - page 2. (Read 530 times)

Grammerly is American, so it often contains errors and incorrect spelling for those of us who use the mother tongue. Please do not try to enforce a local language over correct English.

It is not definitely but if a member think his English is bad, let's try to learn English together with learning about Bitcoin. First you need to understand what you read; second you should be able to express your opinion well and easily understandable enough with your writing. No restriction but if you write and others don't understand, it is your own barrier.

Nobody restrict others like this. But each member must self-feel about it and must see a need to improve their language (reading & writing).

It can be either motivation for a new member or merit for fun or merit abuse. It's not a big issue but to be a constructive member, you must be in a same language of others at average level at least.

Learning is endlessly. After you are in intermediate level of writing, you can learn more and improve it with topic sentence, topic title, etc.

• Bitcointalk posting etiquette
• Topic title style guide
• Make your topic title, posts more attractive

I don't think language should be a barrier to discuss bitcoin.
What if someone doesn’t want to share their country of origin but also have poor English? In your definition of quality, they will be not allowed to learn/discuss bitcoin because they don't know how to write properly? I have seen a few people with poor English but still having merits. That means people are getting his message, nothing wrong with that.
Also, I don't think theymos will ever put such thing on the site as we know how he thinks about the forum.

I think the biggest issue in this the forum may be not posts with poor grammar or syntax, but posts that are grammatically correct however devoid of any meaning or purpose.

Just a random post from Bitcoin Discussion:


This doesn't have any major grammar or syntax issues, no more than e.g. the OP of this thread. However it's a useless shitpost. It doesn't say anything useful or interesting or anything that hasn't already been said earlier in the 10+ pages of that thread, or many other threads. It was typed (or copied from a translation tool or whatever) by someone who has zero interest in a discussion. Many threads on many boards devolve to this kinds of nonsense after the first 5-10 pages. In fact many of those threads are useless and repetitive to begin with.

Try reporting it and you'll get a solid "Unhandled". Basically the forum has surrendered to this shit.

I'll take a non-grammarly post that has an actual opinion, information, argument, even trolling over this kind of perfunctory indolent tripe.

Is the grammar important or it's ok if its not Grammarly correct as long as you deliver the message and the readers understand it?

I know this is a good suggestion but I can't imagine how much work for this one especially on creating this kind of tools here on the forum. If you are not confident about your English, you can always google to correct your grammar and I think this can work only if the user are willing to do it first before posting here in the forum.

English is not the main language of many, let's appreciate those who are posting quality messages despite of the language barriers.

Remember that the purpose of this group is not to learn English and be pro in it. There are millions of people in this group who do not understand English and they are fine in this group. That is why I appreciate the existence of local boards.

I know how it feels if you are a native speaker of English and see how others murder the language. But if I were an English guy and see people struggling to make simple sentences, I will be happy and helpful to them, because it's not easy to learn a new language.

In as much as communication can flow, English grammar is not the most important thing. Then, anyone can develop personally without being coerced to do so.
I remember when I started here, my English was not good and yet was not so bad. I made a post and I was told to download and use grammaly. I took it upon myself and did so. I used grammaly for majority of my works in this forum. But today I can type, vet and post without grammaly.

On one hand, it would be nice to have more posts/participations which are grammatically correct here on the forum.
However, we should also consider that the policy concerning the language on the forum may also imply social and economical factors for some of its users.

I assume in some countries knowing English is a privilege for those with access to a relatively high education, so in my humble opinion the fact that those users from said countries try to have a relatively understandable english in order to participate out their local sections is a example of willingness to integrate with all of us.

Perhaps, measures that targeted specifically spammers and account farmers would be better?

Grammarly does offer an API that the forum could feed raw text into to evaluate its score.

In addition to concerns about not needing to speak perfect English that others have mentioned, enforcing this type of rule would effectively give Grammarly veto power over what people can post.

There are also certain circumstances in which people write that are generally accepted as being "correct" on the forum, but may be "read" as incorrect by Grammarly. One example of this may be when someone is describing the amount of their bitcoin -- they may say "...all of my bitcoin..." while Grammarly may want the word "bitcoin" to be plural.

[GUIDE] Making Quality Thread + Grammar Check.

Grammarly is helpful to check and suggest correction your grammar, vocabulary. Shitposters are not too bad and their language are understandable enough. Quality of their posts is very low, unacceptable because they don't put efforts in. It's not about grammar.

I don't agree with the idea of preventing members from writing on the forum due to poor English.
We are an international forum with members from all over the world.
It's completely natural that English is not the primary language of communication for a large number of members of this forum.
Clearly, someone speaks English better and someone writes with a lot of grammatical errors.
On the other hand, all members of this forum have equal rights and one of them is that they can freely express their opinion on different topics.
By introducing a new rule that members who do not know good English are not allowed to write in the English part of the forum would actually divide all members of this forum into two categories, suitable and unsuitable, and that is by no means a good idea.
Also, the question is how this rule would be actively enforced and who would have the time and knowledge to review thousands of new posts every day and decide which post is written in good English and which is not.
Personally, I think that this rule should not be introduced and that anyone who wants to, should be given the freedom to write on this forum, even if there are problems with English grammar.
In fact, I don’t think we’ve had any serious issues so far with posts written in bad English.

I'm not a native English speaker, I just try my best to write so that whoever reads it understands what I'm trying to convey. The OP's idea might be a good one to have a good standard of language on the forum, but it would certainly cost a forum a lot when only 10% of its members are native English speakers. I can't imagine how I should reach the 70% threshold when posting in English. Of course it would be annoying if such a feature was introduced in the forum. I would totally agree if anyone can't post English properly then local board is the best place for them.

Although the OP's idea would be very useful, but I didn't hope to be introduced by the admin. Just report the shitpost if that user can't post well in English.

Yeah it'd definitely make the forum look like it favours only a few ways of writing then too. There are Asian, European and African dialects of English that are easy to understand but grammarly probably hates (because it's not designed for them).


Grammarly does more than English but there's probably going to be a local board missed out with this too (and Boards like Scandinavia having 3-6+ different languages - just an example, not sure how active that board is).

Campaign managers can shove users posts into grammarly too. Realistically, grammarly hates my grammar and I'm a native English speaker so I could imagine they'd have a hard time trying to do it and probably wouldn't get something very constructive/useful.

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Also grammarly itself would probably charge for this unless there's an open source version.

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Disclaimer: I picked the post, randomly and used character shuffler.

What id the the “grammarly ” like score for this post? 😉
This is not an English learning forum but bitcoin forum but adding some cool feature to help correcting grammar will be helpful. Although a Firefox extension works just fine.

You want the staff to be fired? 😂

This is starting to appear like a paramilitary forum, which will be difficult for other members who aren't proficient in English and don't have a local board to communicate fluently. Also, we have several types of English, such as British America, Australia, and the US, how do you think the forum will manage this, or will the site reject my post because my official language is British? This is a waste of time that will never happen, and you are increasing the load on the forum and the speed by adding this feature.
The Mods are here for a reason, if you see a shit post, report it and any of them will look into it when they check.

If its only for those who participated a campaign, yes, although the manager can decide for that since some requiring local posts.

But for a simply asking for help or question or maybe some kind of discussion? Meeh, imagine a user from a non-english country asking some urgent help but cannot proceed because of this. Although there are local boards but not all of these boards have many active members that can answer eventuall or knew say its a technical related question.

I'd say better to report the post instead having this kind of feature.

This campaign? Yobit.net signature campaign

Well if the shitposter is a signature participant, then the campaign manager itself is the one who responsible to count and not count the post.

I don’t really think it would be implemented not an I asking for it to be..
Just an idea I thought would be interesting to discuss..

Maybe grammar isn’t quite the correct word to describe what I see problems with..
Language syntax would be more correct..

Maybe right NOW it’s not the peak of this problem.. Think back to like the yobit signature campaign days..

To say the least, this is synonymous to the classical IQ April fool stunt thrown to users by Theymos months ago and I feel this would be met with the same conclusion, as the discussion on its validity preceeded. It might take a different line but ends in rating to enable posting and that doesn't seat well with me, given the fact that some users are at advantage than others. Those who have finished college, went to better schools, not from poor countries and have English as there official language.
It entertains bias and you don't start a rating on all with such and we've also got local board posting to consider too!

As much as I see reasons how this could restrict users without proper use of English grammar from posting too rapidly, the same can't be said for those that speak proper English as that doesn't guarantee that they won't spam!
I guess the best approach to this would always be report to moderator and have them decide if its worth dumping in the trash or not.

That won't be necessary in my opinion. I do not see any reason this forum needs that. For shit posts, we do often report to moderators. If a post lacks good written English, it would be more of a shit post. To be candid, I do not see this as an issue on this forum.

I don't think it's good idea to make such limitation because theymos already stated it's not need to be perfect English, I think 70% score is considered well written since they need to look at the grammar, not misspelled or using an incorrect words. I'd say it's better if they check the misspelled and try to use more appropriate words, because some people blatantly using google translate from their local language to English and that's make the sentence is odds.

I'm example of not a perfect English and I try my best to express my own opinion, I think even my grammar is bad, you can still understand what I'm trying to say it's? At least it doesn't make you confuse.

Just let you know, everyday when I have free time I always try to learn English to write more correctly, but I'm not sure where's the problem since I still couldn't write like a native, perhaps it take times.


However this kind idea is similar like newbie jail where theymos disagree about it and would damage the forum nature.