Topic: Enjoy communism (III) rats eating dead people and people eating rats in NK - page 2. (Read 583 times)

This is the problem with a high pride leader who controls his country without the regard for human life. This is the problem with a leader who's only priority is his own wealth rather than his countries development. The problem with this kind of government like NK is that most of its constituents is in support with that regime and neglect the rotten system. They do not want to fight and accepts the superiority and abuses that they are facing. Unlike any other country who would like to break the chain of poverty and oppression willing to die for the next generation. Extremely brainwashed by NK government.

Medicare system in the United States is rotten and that is not due to the capitalist system. If that was the case, then how come Medicare costs in neighboring Canada are 10 times lower than the rates for the same in the United States? They are also having the same system there. Capitalism can be managed in a way where exploitation doesn't occur. Take the case of European countries such as Germany and Switzerland. They are perfect examples of capitalism. United States is an example where the system is dominated by a few corporations. And corporate-capitalism is different from normal capitalism.

It's actually not about the people snapping, it's about the government becoming weaker and allowing them. The North Korean regime exists for more than 70 years without any slightest attempts of insurrection. You can't organize any resistance when one part of the population is scared and the other is devoted to the government, and everything is so tightly controlled that the flow of information/money/weapons is impossible. North Korea is just a large high security prison, and for it to collapse it would need to become a low security prison first.

Communism / Socialism will NEVER work!
We don't need proof to conclude this, just look at countries that have adopted communism/socialism around the world, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea are some examples.

A question I always ask people who say that communism/socialism can work and that it is superior to capitalism.

"If communism/socialism were so good, why do Venezuelans or Cubans flee their countries and go to the US or another South American country? And why doesn't the opposite happen?"

The other question is: "Tell me some countries around the world that communism/socialism was successful?"

To this day, no one has been able to answer this question for me, because it is very obvious and no sympathizer of communism/socialism wants to accept it!

Since you gave an example of fox news, I am going to assume that you are an American? Or at least know the media in the American system hence know a bit about American politics (these days who doesn't lol)? So in that case, communism in a tyrannical system is where the leaders like how NK is managed right now lives the 1% amazing life, he has that right as the leader, and 99% crush beneath him, and even eating rats to survive, or Venezuela losing weight all together as well just because their leader cost them a lot of money and now they can't even afford food and there isn't even food in the markets.

However, do you really believe that management is still better in a capitalist liberal system? I believe that paying a thousand dollars ON TOP OF your insurance just because you had a little cough is not a good system neither.

I still believe that there is a real "dream" equality in the world, it could be right, it could be left, it could be any ideology I do not care, call it "the middle"? That sounds good, but its where people could be billionaires like Jeff Bezos, but nobody starves to death or pays thousands for insulin, there is definitely a middle-ground humanity could find.

I followed Yeonmi Park before she was on JRE. She has a youtube channel with a lot of content. She was human trafficked from north korea into south korea and sold as a sex slave for $300 when she was around 13 years old. I think she's 27 now. Eventually she made her way to the US and was granted amnesty. She has a book published about it on amazon.

In Order to Live: A North Korean Girl's Journey to Freedom
by Yeonmi Park
https://www.amazon.com/Order-Live-Korean-Journey-Freedom/dp/014310974X/

There are many other defectors from north korea, their stories are always worth reading.

basically both are like aiming for social, where they help each other. in a capitalist country, someone is allowed to work so that they have a lot of income until finally the state collects taxes to equalize development which will later be for the equality of society. and for a socialist country, this is purely in the hands of the government, so that citizens' lives are equal

As such, there are no pure capitalist countries in the world (maybe with the exception of a few island nations where there is no income tax). Even in countries like the United States, the marginal tax rates can be as high as 60%. The government is taking away money from successful people and then distributing a part of it among the unproductive population. Now this is what socialism does. The difference here is that the government is not taking away 100% as in the case with socialist countries, but only 20% to 60% depending on your income tax slab.

Yes, that's why I said in a previous post, that in reality, many times what we call capitalism is actually social democracy, a mixture of free enterprise and individual initiative with regulations and redistribution. I find it very funny to hear people complaining about capitalism in countries where the public sector accounts for more than 50% of GDP, they have high taxes, public health care (which I am in favor of), etc.

Quite capitalist is a country like Singapore, but in general it is not the European countries.

Thanks OP for these threads. While the description of situations in NK may seem hard to believe for some of the pragmatists, I am quite sure that a set of leaders who are capable of planning murder of brothers and blowing people with artillery, can very well create these conditions.

Quite a few apologists of communism in this thread too. Maybe it is just a reflection of the CCP puppets going around on the forum these days and just an overall reflection of the Chinese methods of  trying to control narratives through seemingly honest opinions. Yet, anyone with half a brain will realize that Communism can NEVER work. Like NEVER.

By its very definition, communism means that the "means of production and property" is owned collectively, in this case, by the state. And who is the state? There is no "collective entity" called the state. It is a bunch of individuals who rise to the top in the name of equality. Whether its Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao or Sun; they all are individuals or groups of people who become "The state".

This is what leads to the ultimate failure as there are no checks and balances on power that exist in capitalist democracies; free markets, free press, free judiciary. Sure those are not perfect. Yet, that just means they are involved in a constant struggle of distributing resources between unequal participants. Nothing of that sort is possible in Communism.

Communism is fine in theory but impossible to practice at scale.

As long as the regime is able to keep the population terrified, they will be able to enslave them. But at one point, the threshold of tolerance will snap and there will be a mass uprising. And this has happened in other countries as well (Lithuania, Poland.etc). And in all probability, Kim Jong Un will face the fate of other dictators, such as Saddam Hussain, Muammar Gaddafi and Nicolae Ceaușescu. Even in Cuba and Venezuela, now the population is rioting against the communist regimes. You can't rule with muscle-power forever.

Unfortunately, there's no chance for North Korea's people to topple their government, because revolutions happen when people are strong and government is weak, but in North Korea it's the vice versa. And now that the government has nukes, their regime could survive for a very long time, as no outside country would use military force against them. The only hope is change from within, maybe in some distant future there will be a less oppressive leader and the people will have a chance to become stronger.

Unfortunately, any information you may possibly get from NK is certain to be biased and difficult to validate or disprove. NK is opaque like few countries out there, but in terms of their economy it is obvious that it is impossible that people in the country are doing well in general, let alone people who have been marked by the regime as enemies.

Regarding the communism in general, people in countries with more or less free markets and more or less "capitalist" would be greatly surprised to know that those communist regimes do have supporters. When the USSR imploded, most people lived without any luxury and they certainly did not have many of the freedoms that democracies had, but they mostly had a roof over their head, a job and food - zero luxury of course other than culture perhaps.

"Capitalist" countries are great at marketing - as it could not be otherwise - and do well presenting examples of people who are successful under the regime, but there is certainly plenty of dirt under the carpet and millions left behind. You will rarely see interviews and documentaries about children living in cars and dying for lack of medical care, people living in hoods in which their only realistic survival option is to join a gang, even modern slaves working in inhuman conditions, etc. Yet that does exist in capitalist countries.

Unfortunately, the middle way and the moderate opinions are not in fashion and everything has to be either black or white. If you support moderation and complex answers you are usually hated by everyone and each group will accuse you of having a political agenda behind your views. Yet here is my view, a purely Capitalist regime is sustainable but leaves many behind. A purely communist regime ignores some of the basic inclinations of people and cannot work. Some countries are not even ready to discuss anything but a tribal government due to the lack of education.

Unfortunately, people abide mostly by simple answers, simple slogans, tweets and, in general, that which makes them feel better about themselves.

One of the big problems is that for the most part communist regimes realize very fast they need complete control of the information for them to remain in power, it is not rare that the people living in communist countries and that have been under it for decades do not really have an idea of how people live in the rest of the world and instead of being mad about their poor living conditions they think the rest of the world is worse and they are lucky to live under the communist regime, this is difficult to do in this day and age but this is happening at North Korea right now.

It's alright as long as you learn something new, it's all good, that's what life is, you start an ignorant and with the help of the information we will be able to change our minds or not but at least now we are aware. Fascism is what's happening to most countries now although they like to call it democracy when in fact the voters don't really have a say on where the country goes next. What NK is suffering is communism, fascism is when the government becomes a corporation.

There is another way of looking in to it. There are almost 8 billion humans in this planet and even then all of them are unique in terms of skills, intelligence and technological knowhow. According to nature's rule, those with better skills should survive and the rest should perish. Humans have changed this equation and allowed everyone to survive. But history has taught us that whenever you disrupt nature's laws, the consequences would be severe. And that is the reason why socialist nations are some of the poorest in the world.

That's myy point, it's because men will always be evil and men won't ever want another to be better or equal to them, humanity is built on competition, it helped us survived but it's also our deadlock, we won't advance real fast with our current mentality.

It is more about how in many parts of the world the extremes almost always get away with these type of things. You can call it communism, you can call it whatever you want, hell Nazis were "national socialist" as well, the socialist is in the name, if you want to call them leftists then you practically can, sure it may not look like it right now but the idea of "lets murder everyone who is not German and then make sure that all Germans are living great thanks to that" was communist back then, they never really put any difference between Germans, they were communist regarding their own citizens.

It is just a name, fascist, capitalist, democratic, communist, leftist, rightist, secular, religious all of these do not mean a thing, NONE, because it depends on the person who rules a nation. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden are all the same nations presidents, but did the nation looked exactly the same under their tenures? Each made same nation look different. Hence you can be sure that it is not about the name or the party, it is about the person that is ruling, there are bad rulers and there are good politicians, irregardless of the ideology they have.

Communism has killed more people than any ideology other than organized religion in the recorded history. Mao Zedong caused 80 million deaths, while Josef Stalin is close behind with 60 million to his name. Then there are a few others like Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il, with a few millions to their name. If people still support this horrible ideology even after all this, then I have to say that they are delusional. Communism is an ideology that needs to be wiped out from the surface of earth, just like other horrible ideologies such as Nazism and Wahhabism.

Totally agree with this one, there's no such thing as equal in communism, it's just a tyrant replacing another tyrant with the current tyrant saying that they're the savior of the people even though it's not the case. It's just so sad that this is also a test of loyalty because you won't suffer from the wrath of communism if you are utterly loyal towards the tyrants in power.