Topic: Entitlement Mentality - page 12. (Read 11684 times)

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 12:48:04 PM

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Quote from: Schleicher on July 30, 2013, 10:30:25 AM

Looks like some people still assume that there are enough jobs available for everyone.
Many people can't find a different job. Or find one at all.

Not only are there jobs out there, there are DREAM jobs out there. You know why most people don't get hired for those jobs? They submit their credentials to monster.com or some agency website and get tossed into a stack with everyone else. Accordingly, they don't stick out in any way and they fight for the same spot with dozens of other people.
I always get responses (and usually a job offer to boot) when i send a custom cover letter directly to a hiring manager's email address. I skip ahead of all the uncreative ones and my assertiveness demonstrates to the employer that I'm a go-getter. Demanding a better wage or position is an inferior approach to demonstrating why it is deserved.

Entitlement mentality.
Entitlement to avoid backed up traffic caused by plebs striking for a living wage or, as you so eloquently put it, "protesting about something you don't care about"? Next time you feel the need to share your views on cover letter optimisation, pull over and share with the picketers. I'm sure they'll appreciate it more than i.

The comment about being backed up in traffic had to do with other protests, not this one specifically. That's why I said it was a "side note."

You make it a habit of accusing others of posting non-sequiturs, while UR entitled to veer off on irrelevant tangents & reveries in mid-thought? K, Sport.

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I'm saying that it's the demanding nature of the protest and the context that makes me believe the attitude is one of collective entitlement that is undeserved. When that entitlement carries so far as to disturb others going about their daily lives, it becomes just that -- a disturbance.
You're entitled to your opinion, though I'm not sure why you seem so offended by mine.

Your inconsequential aside obviously disturbed me enough to reply. If your are sincerely unsure why your opinion offends me, i'm happy to answer: because it is offensive.

*Facepalm* I hope you know the difference between a non-sequitor as a direct counter argument vs. veering off-topic and clearly indicating that its not meant to support any argument at all.

Regarding the OP being 'offensive' to you, that's fine, that's why I asked for everyone's thoughts. I just have the suspicion that you're being offended by something that you imagined existed in the OP.

Facepalm yourself a few more times, op -- make it worth your while. Your inability to follow simple narrative is likely due to a cheap education, not FirstAscent's use of non-sequiturs. Ockham's Razor.

If you'd like to devolve to ad hominems, by all means. UC Santa Barbara is indeed cheap compared with Norhwestern and the University of Chicago, but I thought I'd opt for the scenery over the prestige. Maybe I'm materialistic after all.

You know Occam's razor is about removing as many assumptions as possible given a specific data set, and not adding them, right?

Absolutely. Not finding any lapses of logic or continuity in FirstAscent's post, i assumed substandard education was responsible for your blunder. But you insist that's not the case. Feel like sharing?

The 'lapse in logic' in FirstNascent's post is that he 'assumed' (which Occam's Razor doesn't like) that I said anything that implied I was advocating one way or another for a certain kind of business. He missed that, and now so have you.

The only thing that would be relevant to share about my education (given that you are attacking my reasoning ability) is that I was offered a paid position as an undergrad to be a philosophy TA for my performances in my Philosophy of Logic and Philosophy of Ethics classes; my professor said I was the only student she's had in the past 10+ years that received 100% on all assignments and tests throughout the entire semester for both classes.

Rags on FirstAscent for dropping non-sequiturs.
Rags on me for not understanding non-sequiturs.
Can't spell non-sequitur.

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Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 02:01:16 PM

Quote from: crumbs on July 30, 2013, 01:41:16 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 01:29:49 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 12:48:04 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: Schleicher on July 30, 2013, 10:30:25 AM

Looks like some people still assume that there are enough jobs available for everyone.
Many people can't find a different job. Or find one at all.

Not only are there jobs out there, there are DREAM jobs out there. You know why most people don't get hired for those jobs? They submit their credentials to monster.com or some agency website and get tossed into a stack with everyone else. Accordingly, they don't stick out in any way and they fight for the same spot with dozens of other people.
I always get responses (and usually a job offer to boot) when i send a custom cover letter directly to a hiring manager's email address. I skip ahead of all the uncreative ones and my assertiveness demonstrates to the employer that I'm a go-getter. Demanding a better wage or position is an inferior approach to demonstrating why it is deserved.

Entitlement mentality.
Entitlement to avoid backed up traffic caused by plebs striking for a living wage or, as you so eloquently put it, "protesting about something you don't care about"? Next time you feel the need to share your views on cover letter optimisation, pull over and share with the picketers. I'm sure they'll appreciate it more than i.

The comment about being backed up in traffic had to do with other protests, not this one specifically. That's why I said it was a "side note."

You make it a habit of accusing others of posting non-sequiturs, while UR entitled to veer off on irrelevant tangents & reveries in mid-thought? K, Sport.

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I'm saying that it's the demanding nature of the protest and the context that makes me believe the attitude is one of collective entitlement that is undeserved. When that entitlement carries so far as to disturb others going about their daily lives, it becomes just that -- a disturbance.
You're entitled to your opinion, though I'm not sure why you seem so offended by mine.

Your inconsequential aside obviously disturbed me enough to reply. If your are sincerely unsure why your opinion offends me, i'm happy to answer: because it is offensive.

*Facepalm* I hope you know the difference between a non-sequitor as a direct counter argument vs. veering off-topic and clearly indicating that its not meant to support any argument at all.

Regarding the OP being 'offensive' to you, that's fine, that's why I asked for everyone's thoughts. I just have the suspicion that you're being offended by something that you imagined existed in the OP.

Facepalm yourself a few more times, op -- make it worth your while. Your inability to follow simple narrative is likely due to a cheap education, not FirstAscent's use of non-sequiturs. Ockham's Razor.

If you'd like to devolve to ad hominems, by all means. UC Santa Barbara is indeed cheap compared with Norhwestern and the University of Chicago, but I thought I'd opt for the scenery over the prestige. Maybe I'm materialistic after all.

You know Occam's razor is about removing as many assumptions as possible given a specific data set, and not adding them, right?

Absolutely. Not finding any lapses of logic or continuity in FirstAscent's post, i assumed substandard education was responsible for your blunder. But you insist that's not the case. Feel like sharing?

The 'lapse in logic' in FirstNascent's post is that he 'assumed' (which Occam's Razor doesn't like) that I said anything that implied I was advocating one way or another for a certain kind of business. He missed that, and now so have you.

I didn't assume anything.

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Quote from: FirstAscent on July 30, 2013, 11:30:05 AM

Quote from: the joint on July 29, 2013, 05:44:02 PM

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Essentially, it sounds like you're advocating a sloppy and lazy business plan. Quit your whining, enjoy your job, and instead of complaining about workers seek in this world, why don't you go enjoy a nice lunch somewhere?

Holy non-sequitor.

Not at all. It's been demonstrated that fast food restaurants can afford higher wages. They just have to be a successful business, such as In-n-Out. Of course, if you're less successful, or let's just plain say, "unsuccessful", you can still get your business to survive if you pay below a living wage.

If your food is of low quality, and your service sucks, you can't pack your restaurant at lunch time. Ergo, you're not selling to capacity, and your bottom line is not so good, so you have to pay low wages. That just about sums it up for most fast food restaurants.

There's a saying: If you pay peanuts you'll get monkeys. Which applies to those joints. They are typified by unmotivated staff and a high turnover of staff.

Basically everyone who has brains quits working there as soon as they can find a better job. This must seem like communism to the bosses who run those places.

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Quote from: crumbs on July 30, 2013, 01:41:16 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 01:29:49 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 12:48:04 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: Schleicher on July 30, 2013, 10:30:25 AM

Looks like some people still assume that there are enough jobs available for everyone.
Many people can't find a different job. Or find one at all.

Not only are there jobs out there, there are DREAM jobs out there. You know why most people don't get hired for those jobs? They submit their credentials to monster.com or some agency website and get tossed into a stack with everyone else. Accordingly, they don't stick out in any way and they fight for the same spot with dozens of other people.
I always get responses (and usually a job offer to boot) when i send a custom cover letter directly to a hiring manager's email address. I skip ahead of all the uncreative ones and my assertiveness demonstrates to the employer that I'm a go-getter. Demanding a better wage or position is an inferior approach to demonstrating why it is deserved.

Entitlement mentality.
Entitlement to avoid backed up traffic caused by plebs striking for a living wage or, as you so eloquently put it, "protesting about something you don't care about"? Next time you feel the need to share your views on cover letter optimisation, pull over and share with the picketers. I'm sure they'll appreciate it more than i.

The comment about being backed up in traffic had to do with other protests, not this one specifically. That's why I said it was a "side note."

You make it a habit of accusing others of posting non-sequiturs, while UR entitled to veer off on irrelevant tangents & reveries in mid-thought? K, Sport.

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I'm saying that it's the demanding nature of the protest and the context that makes me believe the attitude is one of collective entitlement that is undeserved. When that entitlement carries so far as to disturb others going about their daily lives, it becomes just that -- a disturbance.
You're entitled to your opinion, though I'm not sure why you seem so offended by mine.

Your inconsequential aside obviously disturbed me enough to reply. If your are sincerely unsure why your opinion offends me, i'm happy to answer: because it is offensive.

*Facepalm* I hope you know the difference between a non-sequitor as a direct counter argument vs. veering off-topic and clearly indicating that its not meant to support any argument at all.

Regarding the OP being 'offensive' to you, that's fine, that's why I asked for everyone's thoughts. I just have the suspicion that you're being offended by something that you imagined existed in the OP.

Facepalm yourself a few more times, op -- make it worth your while. Your inability to follow simple narrative is likely due to a cheap education, not FirstAscent's use of non-sequiturs. Ockham's Razor.

If you'd like to devolve to ad hominems, by all means. UC Santa Barbara is indeed cheap compared with Norhwestern and the University of Chicago, but I thought I'd opt for the scenery over the prestige. Maybe I'm materialistic after all.

You know Occam's razor is about removing as many assumptions as possible given a specific data set, and not adding them, right?

Absolutely. Not finding any lapses of logic or continuity in FirstAscent's post, i assumed substandard education was responsible for your blunder. But you insist that's not the case. Feel like sharing?

The 'lapse in logic' in FirstNascent's post is that he 'assumed' (which Occam's Razor doesn't like) that I said anything that implied I was advocating one way or another for a certain kind of business. He missed that, and now so have you.

The only thing that would be relevant to share about my education (given that you are attacking my reasoning ability) is that I was offered a paid position as an undergrad to be a philosophy TA for my performances in my Philosophy of Logic and Philosophy of Ethics classes; my professor said I was the only student she's had in the past 10+ years that received 100% on all assignments and tests throughout the entire semester for both classes.

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Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 01:29:49 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 12:48:04 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: Schleicher on July 30, 2013, 10:30:25 AM

Looks like some people still assume that there are enough jobs available for everyone.
Many people can't find a different job. Or find one at all.

Not only are there jobs out there, there are DREAM jobs out there. You know why most people don't get hired for those jobs? They submit their credentials to monster.com or some agency website and get tossed into a stack with everyone else. Accordingly, they don't stick out in any way and they fight for the same spot with dozens of other people.
I always get responses (and usually a job offer to boot) when i send a custom cover letter directly to a hiring manager's email address. I skip ahead of all the uncreative ones and my assertiveness demonstrates to the employer that I'm a go-getter. Demanding a better wage or position is an inferior approach to demonstrating why it is deserved.

Entitlement mentality.
Entitlement to avoid backed up traffic caused by plebs striking for a living wage or, as you so eloquently put it, "protesting about something you don't care about"? Next time you feel the need to share your views on cover letter optimisation, pull over and share with the picketers. I'm sure they'll appreciate it more than i.

The comment about being backed up in traffic had to do with other protests, not this one specifically. That's why I said it was a "side note."

You make it a habit of accusing others of posting non-sequiturs, while UR entitled to veer off on irrelevant tangents & reveries in mid-thought? K, Sport.

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I'm saying that it's the demanding nature of the protest and the context that makes me believe the attitude is one of collective entitlement that is undeserved. When that entitlement carries so far as to disturb others going about their daily lives, it becomes just that -- a disturbance.
You're entitled to your opinion, though I'm not sure why you seem so offended by mine.

Your inconsequential aside obviously disturbed me enough to reply. If your are sincerely unsure why your opinion offends me, i'm happy to answer: because it is offensive.

*Facepalm* I hope you know the difference between a non-sequitor as a direct counter argument vs. veering off-topic and clearly indicating that its not meant to support any argument at all.

Regarding the OP being 'offensive' to you, that's fine, that's why I asked for everyone's thoughts. I just have the suspicion that you're being offended by something that you imagined existed in the OP.

Facepalm yourself a few more times, op -- make it worth your while. Your inability to follow simple narrative is likely due to a cheap education, not FirstAscent's use of non-sequiturs. Ockham's Razor.

If you'd like to devolve to ad hominems, by all means. UC Santa Barbara is indeed cheap compared with Norhwestern and the University of Chicago, but I thought I'd opt for the scenery over the prestige. Maybe I'm materialistic after all.

You know Occam's razor is about removing as many assumptions as possible given a specific data set, and not adding them, right?

Absolutely. Not finding any lapses of logic or continuity in FirstAscent's post, i assumed substandard education was responsible for your blunder. But you insist that's not the case. Feel like sharing?

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Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 12:48:04 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: Schleicher on July 30, 2013, 10:30:25 AM

Looks like some people still assume that there are enough jobs available for everyone.
Many people can't find a different job. Or find one at all.

Not only are there jobs out there, there are DREAM jobs out there. You know why most people don't get hired for those jobs? They submit their credentials to monster.com or some agency website and get tossed into a stack with everyone else. Accordingly, they don't stick out in any way and they fight for the same spot with dozens of other people.
I always get responses (and usually a job offer to boot) when i send a custom cover letter directly to a hiring manager's email address. I skip ahead of all the uncreative ones and my assertiveness demonstrates to the employer that I'm a go-getter. Demanding a better wage or position is an inferior approach to demonstrating why it is deserved.

Entitlement mentality.
Entitlement to avoid backed up traffic caused by plebs striking for a living wage or, as you so eloquently put it, "protesting about something you don't care about"? Next time you feel the need to share your views on cover letter optimisation, pull over and share with the picketers. I'm sure they'll appreciate it more than i.

The comment about being backed up in traffic had to do with other protests, not this one specifically. That's why I said it was a "side note."

You make it a habit of accusing others of posting non-sequiturs, while UR entitled to veer off on irrelevant tangents & reveries in mid-thought? K, Sport.

Quote

I'm saying that it's the demanding nature of the protest and the context that makes me believe the attitude is one of collective entitlement that is undeserved. When that entitlement carries so far as to disturb others going about their daily lives, it becomes just that -- a disturbance.
You're entitled to your opinion, though I'm not sure why you seem so offended by mine.

Your inconsequential aside obviously disturbed me enough to reply. If your are sincerely unsure why your opinion offends me, i'm happy to answer: because it is offensive.

*Facepalm* I hope you know the difference between a non-sequitor as a direct counter argument vs. veering off-topic and clearly indicating that its not meant to support any argument at all.

Regarding the OP being 'offensive' to you, that's fine, that's why I asked for everyone's thoughts. I just have the suspicion that you're being offended by something that you imagined existed in the OP.

Facepalm yourself a few more times, op -- make it worth your while. Your inability to follow simple narrative is likely due to a cheap education, not FirstAscent's use of non-sequiturs. Ockham's Razor.

If you'd like to devolve to ad hominems, by all means. UC Santa Barbara is indeed cheap compared with Northwestern and the University of Chicago, but I thought I'd opt for the scenery over the prestige. Maybe I'm materialistic after all.

You know Occam's razor is about removing as many assumptions as possible given a specific data set, and not adding them, right?

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Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 12:48:04 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: Schleicher on July 30, 2013, 10:30:25 AM

Looks like some people still assume that there are enough jobs available for everyone.
Many people can't find a different job. Or find one at all.

Not only are there jobs out there, there are DREAM jobs out there. You know why most people don't get hired for those jobs? They submit their credentials to monster.com or some agency website and get tossed into a stack with everyone else. Accordingly, they don't stick out in any way and they fight for the same spot with dozens of other people.
I always get responses (and usually a job offer to boot) when i send a custom cover letter directly to a hiring manager's email address. I skip ahead of all the uncreative ones and my assertiveness demonstrates to the employer that I'm a go-getter. Demanding a better wage or position is an inferior approach to demonstrating why it is deserved.

Entitlement mentality.
Entitlement to avoid backed up traffic caused by plebs striking for a living wage or, as you so eloquently put it, "protesting about something you don't care about"? Next time you feel the need to share your views on cover letter optimisation, pull over and share with the picketers. I'm sure they'll appreciate it more than i.

The comment about being backed up in traffic had to do with other protests, not this one specifically. That's why I said it was a "side note."

You make it a habit of accusing others of posting non-sequiturs, while UR entitled to veer off on irrelevant tangents & reveries in mid-thought? K, Sport.

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I'm saying that it's the demanding nature of the protest and the context that makes me believe the attitude is one of collective entitlement that is undeserved. When that entitlement carries so far as to disturb others going about their daily lives, it becomes just that -- a disturbance.
You're entitled to your opinion, though I'm not sure why you seem so offended by mine.

Your inconsequential aside obviously disturbed me enough to reply. If your are sincerely unsure why your opinion offends me, i'm happy to answer: because it is offensive.

*Facepalm* I hope you know the difference between a non-sequitor as a direct counter argument vs. veering off-topic and clearly indicating that its not meant to support any argument at all.

Regarding the OP being 'offensive' to you, that's fine, that's why I asked for everyone's thoughts. I just have the suspicion that you're being offended by something that you imagined existed in the OP.

Facepalm yourself a few more times, op -- make it worth your while. Your inability to follow simple narrative is likely due to a cheap education, not FirstAscent's use of non-sequiturs. Ockham's Razor.

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 30, 2013, 12:58:49 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 29, 2013, 01:35:10 PM

Um, no. I'm getting a bit sick of this attitude of entitlement floating around the USA, and keep in mind I work in the field of social services.

Though I'm in 100% agreement with you about American's sense of entitlement, as a gov't employee, you're the wrong person to be talking about it - the hypocrisy is almost painful to witness.

Apples vs. oranges. The contexts are entirely different (I.e demanding what is owed according to defined rules vs. demanding nothing that is owed in the absence of defined rules).

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Quote from: the joint on July 29, 2013, 01:35:10 PM

Um, no. I'm getting a bit sick of this attitude of entitlement floating around the USA, and keep in mind I work in the field of social services.

Though I'm in 100% agreement with you about American's sense of entitlement, as a gov't employee, you're the wrong person to be talking about it - the hypocrisy is almost painful to witness.

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Quote from: Anon136 on July 30, 2013, 12:28:27 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 12:23:08 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on July 30, 2013, 12:10:37 PM

they are complaining that they cant earn a living wage with the skill of dunking fries in the oil then putting salt on them putting them in a box and handing the box to someone. idk about entitlement but to me its just weird that they believe that skill is worth 15 dollars per hour. there's really hardly any value at all in that "skill", 7 dollars already seems like way too much.

To me it's not just about the amount they're asking for, it's about the lack of understanding about what it would actually mean for a fast food restaurant to virtually double the salaries of all if their employees.

But my personal opinion is that $15 is way too high in comparison with other jobs that pay $15/he and require a higher skill set.

eh well so long as they arnt trying to use the government to twist anyone's arms than i say more power to them.

Agreed. I'm all for people being able to express their beliefs and stand up for them.

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Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: Schleicher on July 30, 2013, 10:30:25 AM

Looks like some people still assume that there are enough jobs available for everyone.
Many people can't find a different job. Or find one at all.

Not only are there jobs out there, there are DREAM jobs out there. You know why most people don't get hired for those jobs? They submit their credentials to monster.com or some agency website and get tossed into a stack with everyone else. Accordingly, they don't stick out in any way and they fight for the same spot with dozens of other people.
I always get responses (and usually a job offer to boot) when i send a custom cover letter directly to a hiring manager's email address. I skip ahead of all the uncreative ones and my assertiveness demonstrates to the employer that I'm a go-getter. Demanding a better wage or position is an inferior approach to demonstrating why it is deserved.

Entitlement mentality.
Entitlement to avoid backed up traffic caused by plebs striking for a living wage or, as you so eloquently put it, "protesting about something you don't care about"? Next time you feel the need to share your views on cover letter optimisation, pull over and share with the picketers. I'm sure they'll appreciate it more than i.

The comment about being backed up in traffic had to do with other protests, not this one specifically. That's why I said it was a "side note."

You make it a habit of accusing others of posting non-sequiturs, while UR entitled to veer off on irrelevant tangents & reveries in mid-thought? K, Sport.

Quote

I'm saying that it's the demanding nature of the protest and the context that makes me believe the attitude is one of collective entitlement that is undeserved. When that entitlement carries so far as to disturb others going about their daily lives, it becomes just that -- a disturbance.
You're entitled to your opinion, though I'm not sure why you seem so offended by mine.

Your inconsequential aside obviously disturbed me enough to reply. If your are sincerely unsure why your opinion offends me, i'm happy to answer: because it is offensive.

*Facepalm* I hope you know the difference between a non-sequitor as a direct counter argument vs. veering off-topic and clearly indicating that its not meant to support any argument at all.

Regarding the OP being 'offensive' to you, that's fine, that's why I asked for everyone's thoughts. I just have the suspicion that you're being offended by something that you imagined existed in the OP.

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Quote from: the joint on July 30, 2013, 11:34:30 AM