Topic: Entitlement Mentality - page 2. (Read 11684 times)

I went to In-n-Out yesterday at 2:20 PM, after the lunch hour rush. I made it a point to count some things. What I saw was a very successful business kicking ass over McDonald's. I was there for 25 minutes. Here's what I saw:

1. They were calling order #45 when I walked in. When I walked out they were calling order #15, wrapping around from 100. That's 70 orders, each on average representing a party of two, totaling 140 meals in 25 minutes.

2. 17 employees. 3 to 4 working the registers. 1 to 2 cleaning tables and tending the beverage bar. The rest in the kitchen.

3. I counted 84 patrons, either seated at tables, in a line to order, or waiting for their order to go.

4. I ordered a combo meal for $5.20. I got a soda, a large carton of delicious fries that were in full unpeeled never frozen potato form only fifteen minutes prior, and a cheeseburger with lettuce hand leafed only minutes prior, and fresh onions and tomatoes. It's far more delicious than anything McDonald's offers, and actually fresh, and frankly, cheaper than an equivalent McDonald's meal.

Let's summarize: After the lunch time rush when things slow down, we had 17 employees, 84 patrons, and in 25 minutes, 140 fresh and delicious meals served, at a price which beats McDonald's. Frankly, you look like an idiot championing McDonald's.

Based on the same "I bought burgers from there, so I know" reasoning 

Never concluded any such thing, did I now? What I did was make conclusions about fast food.

And honestly, Walmart is really no cheaper than Target. I have comparison shopped many items and never really saw a price difference greater than a couple cents one way or another. Now, please don't take my statement about Target prices to mean that I implied you said anything about Target prices.

Nah, that's the popular media reason for it. They are cheap first and foremost because of their supply system (their warehouses are fully automated, working like network hubs, routing packages from truck bay to truck bay, with trucks working like network cables to deliver the packages over roads). Low wages is a minor part of it, and other more expensive stores, including Target, as just as guilty of it. But, of course, if all you've done is go to he store and shop there, you would conclude that it's just the wages.

Walmart is succesful because they are cheap. And while their supply system contributes to that the main reason is that they pay very low wages. So low that many of their employees are on food stamps. Effectively they get cheap government subsidized workers That's another side of entitlement mentality.

That's not your fault.  That's how far he's pushed his own topic -- people reading this thread will assume its about something other than what it was originally intended to be.

That may in part have been my fault, too. Your point is that striking for higher wages was a bad use of their time, he pointed out that higher wages are possible with the In-n-Out example, and I *tried* to point out that In-n-Out has a severe lack of employment opportunities, due to their business model being much more limited than McDonald's. So, i.e. I was trying to say that those striking workers should be glad they have someone around to hire and pay them in the first place, but it all kind of went downhill from there.

Do you like being stupid?  I can't believe you just asked that question.

I created this thread to have a discussion about the topic.  You have instead insisted on replacing the topic of the thread with your own topic. 

I guess I should've created a thread that contained absolutely nothing that I wanted to discuss.

Imagine going to a steak restaurant, and so you order a steak.  Instead, they bring you the kids' corn dog meal.  When you complain, they ask you, "Why do you insist on the steak?!"

You're an evolutionary cul-de-sac.

No, I think the most important question is, why is McDonalds able to, and *IS* hiring a hell of a lot more employees than In-n-Out. You know, if we were to stick at least somewhat to the OP.

Why is that the most important question of all?

Perhaps a more important question: how does In-n-Out always win the hamburger polls with ease vs. McDonald's, manage to pay their employees significantly more, and yet charge no more, sometimes less, for an equivalently sized meal?

So the only thing that's left to be known is, why is McDonald's all over the world, making hundreds of millions of dollars, and In-n-Out is an obscure thing in a few states, making a fraction of that? You know, the most important question of all.
I mean, SURELY if all those things were the most important things that need to be known about the success of these businesses, then In-n-Out would have restaurants all over the country, hiring millions of employees for "decent" wages, while McDonald's would be the obscure chain that's only in a few states, right?

I wasn't responding to you, nor your original post. Why do you keep going on about the importance of your original post?

Ok, listen up, you dumbass.  You just listed 7 things that are "everything that needs to be known."

Not a single fucking one of them has ANYTHING to do with the attitudes of striking workers, the topic of the OP.

You're the type of person that makes me want to sacrifice good karma just so I can have fun being a dick to you, and also the type of person that makes me want to report you to a moderator like a child tattling to a grown-up.

Everything that needs to be known is plain as day:

1. Polls show people like In-n-Out better.
2. Their food is fresher (actually fresh).
3. Their prices are competitive, even better.
4. Their service is great.
5. Their wages are publicized.
6. They're busy as hell. Go to one.
7. They're doing very well.


So? I prefer Target, as do lots of other people.

Ah, so you claim to know the business structure of both companies just because you have bought their products? Hard to believe, considering you have shown time and again that you don't really understand or think things through when it comes to business.


I didn't say google it. You claimed to understand what McDonalds and In-n-Out businesses do just because you shopped there. I'm sure you shopped at WalMart once before, too. So it should have been pretty obvious to you, based on your shopping experience, that the only reason WalMart is so successful is because WalMart invented a completely new, computerized, and automated supply chain system the likes of which the world has never seen before, and still can't duplicate.

I bet it's smart, well presented people with pleasant manners and a good work ethic. The kind of people FA wants McDonalds to shower money upon would be out-of-work in and In-n-Out dominated world. And other than the welfare he'd like to give them in that case, it would probably be a good thing. I hate stopping off somewhere and the tables are covered in spilled food and the toilets are vomit-inducing.

I have worked at neither. I have patronized both, obviously.


I'm not really interested in googling Walmart. Anyway, I prefer Target - it's a much cleaner and nicer shopping experience.

Should I take that as your admission that you have worked in fast food at both McDonald's and In-n-Out burger? Or are you saying "both" as in a perspective of "both" restaurants just from your experience shopping there?

And if latter, can you tell why is Walmart has such an enormous competitive advantage over every other store, just from your experience shopping there?

As I said, I have both perspectives. You don't.

Really? Wait, do you mean just in front of the counter? Or behind the counter and at their business office? If the former, that's an incredible skill. I, for instance, would never be able to figure out a company's business structure just by shopping in their stores.

(One way to test your skill: Why is Walmart kicking everyone else's butt? What does it do that no one else did before?)

P.S. I worked there, and I visit there often (especially when I go on long roadtrips), and I'm not exactly young, but I doubt I've been there a hundred times, let alone two hundred. On the other hand, I'm not a fan of Burger King, and I know I haven't been to their chain more than maybe 20 times in my lifetime. So, your claim is a bit weird. Especially considering that, by your own admission, you paid hundreds of times for overprices crappy burgers, when you had a much better and cheaper alternative.