Topic: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet - page 221. (Read 966173 times)

I did in the same way. But then they had to show some "respect" to the supporters like me and you by not doing sales. Althought they had a delay (but the delay is fine for me).

I made a preorder. Why? Because I believe that someone developing this product and being successful at it is a crucial component of Bitcoin's future succes and even though making this preorder for which I think is a low risk proposition, I don't mind losing my money because my preorder already served its purpose = showing the rest of the community that there's money to be made and hopefully inspired someone else to try and compete.

not if you buy immediately the bitcoins back which you did spend. do this approach anytime in the future!

BTW, Rassah, how is your new car working?  

EDIT: so yes, I got your point. it is a bit too overpriced yet, but anyway they have a funny accent as compensation. 

Didn't BFL teach everyone that preordering anything in bitcoin is just generally a very bad idea? At this point, you're paying an extra $700 just for the aluminum case.

which can easily be translated to USD or ozAU, which provide reasonably stable value over time (~10% inflation per year, yes, but not 1000%)

yeah, and that one guy transferred the value of BTC 10,000 for a pizza.

man, just let it go and accept the fact that "we're not there yet"

EDIT: stop being butthurt. You didn't get ripped off. People buying today could complain, but buying today is voluntary.

Maybe it ought be measured as BTC/DATE?

Duh, hey Ren, how much did you pay for that single bitcoin?  That's the current value because bitcoin isn't so widely accepted.  One day it will be like "I paid 1 bitcoin for that" just like today you can say "I paid 8 dollars for that" but that day is still about 3 years out...

The value I transferred is 3 BTC. Does another value exist?

edit: 3

I can see your point of holding on to BTC pricing. But it's too early. The value of a bitcoin fluctuates wildly. We all know that.

The way I see it: It's not relevant how many BTC you gave them, it's relevant how much value you transferred.

All theses comparisons just don't matter ... thats way they have the price in BTC ... and by this the piss off all those guys that preordered .. because you get twice as many hardware for the same price ... no math needed here

Okay, by your logic the guy who paid 10k BTC for a pizza should have free pizza for 100 years because he used a currency worth X amount at the time to buy a pizza worth X amount.  Using a young currency is risky and can be considered unfair if you believe the value will never go up.  If you believe the value can increase, but you spend it anyways, it's your own fault.  I'm not crying to BTCGuild because I bought a couple of USB miners and then watched the price bottom out.  They don't owe me anything.  I bought and paid for my units at that price at the time using bitcoin which I thought was fair because I used fiat to purchase the bitcoin through coinbase when it wasn't expensive.  Should I have sat on it?  Sure, hind-sight is always 20/20, but I wanted to hope that I could at least make back what I had put into my units.  Did I?  No.  Will I ever?  Only if I can find a source of free electricity, the price shoots way up (and even then, I'll only have the value of what I paid, not the total amount of bitcoin I started with) and/or the amount of miners drops dramatically. 

One other way of thinking about it...The price of bitcoin bottoms out.  You paid 1 BTC worth $100 at the time for a Trezor.  Now, in order to buy one, you'd need to pay 100 BTC.  Do you think Slush is going to piss and moan and bitch at you about how you screwed them over because you bought it early and try to get you to give them 99 more bitcoins?  No, they're adults.  They can see the risk involved and are mature enough to handle their shit.  A positive price swing benefits those who sell merchandise for bitcoin, whereas a negative price swing benefits the purchasers of said merchandise. 

Either enjoy the fact that you paid for something so long ago with a currency worth less at that time or keep looking in that rearview mirror on how much you spend in bitcoin (not fiat) versus how much you could have spent in bitcoin now (the same amount in fiat).  Then, do us all a favor and STFU.  The choice is yours.

Disclaimer: I mine with my little 2.67GH/s units on Slush's pool.  They're awesome and I only wish that I had more hashing power to throw at their pool.  Maybe I will go bug BTCGuild for more free mining rigs based on today's exchange rate to use on Slush. 

your math is correct. It wasn't one year ago, though, but roughly 5 months. 1 year ago the price of one BTC was $10, not $100.

Very good deal if you bought 1 BTC the day you ordered the trezor in 2012.
I did it that way today, paying 200+ $ for 1 BTC.

If the pizza guy did it that way , he will be more than happy right now.

People that are to stingy to buy a trezor are the ones that cry first after loosing their BTC.

Okay, so then you got an even better deal. 
(1 BTC < $100 in 2012 for a Trezor) > (1 BTC >$200 in 2013 for 2 units)

How do you think the 10,000 BTC pizza guy is feeling right now?  Does he deserve free pizza for life for his entire family because he chose to spend BTC instead of fiat?  Whaaaaaa :'-(

... not

For those of you complaining about paying 1 BTC for 1 Trezor 1 year ago, the price of bitcoin has doubled, so in effect, you'd be paying 1 BTC for 2 units now, which is THE SAME COST in fiat that you would have paid for a single unit 1 year ago.  1 BTC in 2012=$100=1 unit and 1BTC in 2013=$200=2 units...

Math...simple

I'm happy to offer insurance against non-delivery by ways of a bet (details would need to be worked out).

So if anyone's interested...

They most likely don't get punished if you compare in fiat terms.

I just doubled down hard on my trezor investment. All my friends will be happy. Sadly not for christmas, though.

Chill out guys, all will be good in the end.

I too would be a little disappointed if early preorders get punished. Imagine if Amazon did this, nobody would preorder games for example as the early prices are rough estimates that almost always get corrected down along the way. I think they should offer old preorders a 2nd unit at cost at least, they will loose a lot of goodwill otherwise.