[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet - page 49.

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Quote from: keithers on January 20, 2016, 05:57:21 PM

I just tried to install the new update to the bridge on my PC laptop and it is giving me some weird error. Anyone else having this issue?

Does the internet browser need to be shut down prior to installation?

No issues here. Are you using Chrome? I noticed the myTrezor.com site had updated but was not asked to update the Trezor Chrome extension.

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I just tried to install the new update to the bridge on my PC laptop and it is giving me some weird error. Anyone else having this issue?

Does the internet browser need to be shut down prior to installation?

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Quote from: NorrisK on January 07, 2016, 08:13:04 AM

The trezor is compatible with several altcoins, such as litecoin, namecoin and dogecoin. Can these coins be stored on the device with btc simultaneously?

How does the recovery process work for the altcoins? Do you also get a 24 word seed for those keys?

Trezor follows BIP 44 which defines (along with BIP32) the key derivations: m / 44' / coin_type' / account' / change / address_index

SatoshiLabs maintains a list of "Coin type" here. Even if Trezor only supports 6 of them.

Your 24 seed words will create the Master Private Key. That key will in return create child Private Keys for each coins (Bitcoin=0, Litecoin=2, Dogecoin=3, Dash=5). Then the accounts private keys, etc, and so on down the line. In conclusion, yes, the seed words are all you need to recover all your coins on the same Trezor.

Thanks for the clear and extensive answer, this is exactly what I needed to know.

Ordered my Trezor and hope to get it in use as soon as possible! Everything about it seems very solid and safe.

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No problem glad to help.

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Quote from: ElGabo on January 17, 2016, 02:30:49 PM

I have 2 incoming transactions to my Trezor but they doesn't show up.

Both confirmed, the first is one day old the second is two.

Any ideas where is the problem?

Both transactions are confirmed on the blockchain? What wallet are you using your Trezor with, the online myTrezor.com?

Yes, Both are confirmed many times.

I'm using myTrezor.

The strange thing is that I've sent a small ammount to the same address where the 2 transactions are missing and this small ammount is showing up.

Weird...

Trezor seems to be having a problem with the BitsOfProof backend, I am getting a service down message when I try to access myTrezor.com. This has happened before they should fix shortly, I would not worry about your bitcoin if the transaction is showing in blockchain.info it will show up in your myTrezor.com wallet when the issue is fixed.

I've just synced my Trezor with Multibit and all transactions had shown up. You're right, something is wrong with the backend.

Thanks for the reply. Wink

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on January 17, 2016, 02:35:15 PM

Quote from: ElGabo on January 17, 2016, 02:30:49 PM

I have 2 incoming transactions to my Trezor but they doesn't show up.

Both confirmed, the first is one day old the second is two.

Any ideas where is the problem?

Both transactions are confirmed on the blockchain? What wallet are you using your Trezor with, the online myTrezor.com?

Yes, Both are confirmed many times.

I'm using myTrezor.

The strange thing is that I've sent a small ammount to the same address where the 2 transactions are missing and this small ammount is showing up.

Weird...

Trezor seems to be having a problem with the BitsOfProof backend, I am getting a service down message when I try to access myTrezor.com. This has happened before they should fix shortly, I would not worry about your bitcoin if the transaction is showing in blockchain.info it will show up in your myTrezor.com wallet when the issue is fixed.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on January 17, 2016, 02:35:15 PM

Quote from: ElGabo on January 17, 2016, 02:30:49 PM

I have 2 incoming transactions to my Trezor but they doesn't show up.

Both confirmed, the first is one day old the second is two.

Any ideas where is the problem?

Both transactions are confirmed on the blockchain? What wallet are you using your Trezor with, the online myTrezor.com?

Yes, Both are confirmed many times.

I'm using myTrezor.

The strange thing is that I've sent a small ammount to the same address where the 2 transactions are missing and this small ammount is showing up.

Weird...

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Quote from: ElGabo on January 17, 2016, 02:30:49 PM

I have 2 incoming transactions to my Trezor but they doesn't show up.

Both confirmed, the first is one day old the second is two.

Any ideas where is the problem?

Both transactions are confirmed on the blockchain? What wallet are you using your Trezor with, the online myTrezor.com?

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I have 2 incoming transactions to my Trezor but they doesn't show up.

Both confirmed, the first is one day old the second is two.

Any ideas where is the problem?

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Quote from: guitarplinker on January 17, 2016, 10:48:23 AM

I seem to be having an issue with my Trezor... When I plug it in and try to do anything on either MyTrezor or Electrum I run into issues. On Electrum it says "Trezor not detected" and in MyTrezor it says "Please wait a few seconds". Obviously I've waited a few minutes and nothing happened.

The device is being detected in Windows just fine, and when I was prompted to enter my passcode on the MyTrezor beta wallet, I was able to enter it and load up my accounts no problem. However if I want to do anything else, I get the "Please wait" message that doesn't go away. Any ideas of what might be causing this issue? I've tried different USB cables, different USB ports, as well as restarting my computer.

I guess posting about it fixed it. Seems to have randomly started working well now, not sure what the problem was.

Most likely a twitchy USB cable. Good quality cables do make a difference.

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I seem to be having an issue with my Trezor... When I plug it in and try to do anything on either MyTrezor or Electrum I run into issues. On Electrum it says "Trezor not detected" and in MyTrezor it says "Please wait a few seconds". Obviously I've waited a few minutes and nothing happened.

The device is being detected in Windows just fine, and when I was prompted to enter my passcode on the MyTrezor beta wallet, I was able to enter it and load up my accounts no problem. However if I want to do anything else, I get the "Please wait" message that doesn't go away. Any ideas of what might be causing this issue? I've tried different USB cables, different USB ports, as well as restarting my computer.

I guess posting about it fixed it. Seems to have randomly started working well now, not sure what the problem was.

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Quote from: NorrisK on January 07, 2016, 08:13:04 AM

The trezor is compatible with several altcoins, such as litecoin, namecoin and dogecoin. Can these coins be stored on the device with btc simultaneously?

How does the recovery process work for the altcoins? Do you also get a 24 word seed for those keys?

There's nothing special you have to do. I think Trezor handles different coins automatically, as long as you log out of each wallet/coin before logging into another one.

In this example, a user created a Dash wallet using Electrum-Dash, and then logged out of it and went to MyTrezor and simply created a Bitcoin wallet.

Using Trezor with Dash / BTC (Parallel on 1 Device) https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=19759304

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Quote from: NorrisK on January 07, 2016, 08:13:04 AM

The trezor is compatible with several altcoins, such as litecoin, namecoin and dogecoin. Can these coins be stored on the device with btc simultaneously?

How does the recovery process work for the altcoins? Do you also get a 24 word seed for those keys?

I think Encompass wallet with Trezor is what you need: http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-apps/encompass.html

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The trezor is compatible with several altcoins, such as litecoin, namecoin and dogecoin. Can these coins be stored on the device with btc simultaneously?

How does the recovery process work for the altcoins? Do you also get a 24 word seed for those keys?

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Quote from: AussieHash on December 16, 2015, 06:57:26 AM

Quote from: Bridgewater on December 16, 2015, 04:57:21 AM

Isn't this an unnecessary attack vector for the relatively minor convenience of not needing to re-enter the mnemonic?

Trezor's security model is that the 24 word mnemonic is only to be used for recovery in the event of a doom's day apocalypse scenario

Quote from: Bridgewater on December 16, 2015, 04:57:21 AM

Is it possible to purchase a trezor that always wipes the mnemonic when the firmware is upgraded?

There is a Trezor clone which uses a scrambled keyboard mnemonic recovery method which is safe to use even on a compromised PC, such that one advertised usage case is to wipe the device's flash in between uses, and recover to spend each time.

For the terminally curious AussieHash is referring to a reddit discussion you can read here. Here is the quote:

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On KeepKey, you don't even need to store your private key on the device. The recovery process is secure enough, that you can use it only as a transactional device for your paper (recovery sentence) wallet. Then just wipe the device after each use.

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No problem with my trezor for now

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Quote from: Bridgewater on December 16, 2015, 04:57:21 AM

Isn't this an unnecessary attack vector for the relatively minor convenience of not needing to re-enter the mnemonic?

Trezor's security model is that the 24 word mnemonic is only to be used for recovery in the event of a doom's day apocalypse scenario

Quote from: Bridgewater on December 16, 2015, 04:57:21 AM

Is it possible to purchase a trezor that always wipes the mnemonic when the firmware is upgraded?

There is a Trezor clone which uses a scrambled keyboard mnemonic recovery method which is safe to use even on a compromised PC, such that one advertised usage case is to wipe the device's flash in between uses, and recover to spend each time.

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Quote from: AussieHash on December 14, 2015, 07:02:29 AM

Quote from: Bridgewater on December 13, 2015, 10:23:56 PM

If someone with satoshilabs firmware signing key steals a trezor, can they extract mnemonic without needing to enter the pin?

SL uses multisig for their firmware, but yes the mnemonic secret is stored in plain text in the metadata sector
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/memory.h#L32

Signed firmware (apart from a version downgrade) will preserve the mnemonic, so malicious signed firmware can trivially expose it. (But they would need to steal multiple SL keys)

Thank you for the answer.

Isn't this an unnecessary attack vector for the relatively minor convenience of not needing to re-enter the mnemonic?

Is it possible to purchase a trezor that always wipes the mnemonic when the firmware is upgraded?

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Quote from: Bridgewater on December 13, 2015, 10:23:56 PM

If someone with satoshilabs firmware signing key steals a trezor, can they extract mnemonic without needing to enter the pin?

SL uses multisig for their firmware, but yes the mnemonic secret is stored in plain text in the metadata sector
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/memory.h#L32

Signed firmware (apart from a version downgrade) will preserve the mnemonic, so malicious signed firmware can trivially expose it. (But they would need to steal multiple SL keys)

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No. Once set up you cannot again display or extract the seed even with the PIN.

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