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Topic: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet - page 81. (Read 966173 times)

sr. member
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Thank you for staying open source. I still have high confidence in you and your company's integrity.  Had been a miner in your pool for a long time and bought 3 Trezors not long ago. 

Same as my story.
legendary
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Live and enjoy experiments
Thank you for staying open source. I still have high confidence in you and your company's integrity.  Had been a miner in your pool for a long time and bought 3 Trezors not long ago. 
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
when its comes to financial security people will always pay premium for brand

Not integrity? By that logic, we'd all be using mainstream banking, credit/debit cards with Norton Internet Security Suite on brand new Windows 8.1.

ummm, most people are ... and I agree that it is not logical.

Bitcoiners are a discerning bunch seeking integrity, in the vanguard of what will become the premium brands. By definition, most people involved with bitcoin before now are trend-setters, not followers.
legendary
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when its comes to financial security people will always pay premium for brand

Not integrity? By that logic, we'd all be using mainstream banking, credit/debit cards with Norton Internet Security Suite on brand new Windows 8.1.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
 Smiley good call slush/stick ... in the long run, when its comes to financial security people will always pay premium for brand ... e.g., swiss banks, old money funds, etc.
legendary
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I can empathize with how hard it must have been to see those chinese wonglords rip you off and sell your work at a lower price precisely because they had added no value what so ever. I'm willing to forgive. Thanks for reversing your decision.
hero member
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During the recovery card stage of initialization I wish there was an option for "card splitting" using Shamir's Secret Sharing. I could write down the seeds on 3 cards knowing that at least 2 have to be combined for a restoration of funds or even the option to pick how it's split. It would be useful for giving the cards to family for safe keeping. It also would be more secure as you could lock up the cards in different locations.
hero member
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For some of us that just to get to the point, so what is the current license? LGPLv3

Looks like they completely reverted the change.

https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/COPYING
hero member
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Thanks for staying opensource. I think of the Trezor firmware as a little Linux on a tiny crypto computer that will be used for more than just bitcoin. The hardware is going to spread everywhere but like "Red Hat" I bet people will pay a small premium for your brand and support expertise.
donator
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Excellent news. So much work has gone into Trezor, it would've been one more bad outcome that the bitcoin ecosystem doesn't need. I am very pleased to say that I will absolutely be in the market for a Trezor given this reversion. My faith in Satoshi Labs is restored.

I just hope satoshilabs will make it to the black numbers with the new approach. I think it's their best shot.
sr. member
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This clone wars movie was short lived. I was hoping for a few more days of drama.
legendary
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Excellent news. So much work has gone into Trezor, it would've been one more bad outcome that the bitcoin ecosystem doesn't need. I am very pleased to say that I will absolutely be in the market for a Trezor given this reversion. My faith in Satoshi Labs is restored.
legendary
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For some of us that just to get to the point, so what is the current license? LGPLv3
legendary
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DiceSites.com owner
For those searching for that coupon, its through the link:

https://www.buytrezor.com/?a=opensourcematters89 (so code: opensourcematters89)

It only shows in the cart.
legendary
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After the change, we were amazed by the strength of the feedback showing that you all really do care about open source philosophy.

That’s why we have decided to revert the license change.
http://satoshilabs.com/news/2015-01-30-trezor-software-license/

Nice Smiley

This is great, and I think it is not bad financially. Here is why:

Clones will come, everybody will know that they are clones, so they can command only a lower price. USD 20 for parts is one thing, but there are also the supply chain, the factory, the marketing. If they can sell the clone for 80, they might make a small profit.

As this happens, you can still sell the original for 120 for quite some time, and you will be the leader even if, say, two of the best clones capture 70 % of the market. The clone makers will be half starving, while you can afford product development. You can be two steps ahead of the clones for years. When that is no longer possible, you can always lower your price abit and continue.

hero member
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legendary
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DiceSites.com owner
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After the change, we were amazed by the strength of the feedback showing that you all really do care about open source philosophy.

That’s why we have decided to revert the license change.
http://satoshilabs.com/news/2015-01-30-trezor-software-license/

Nice Smiley
hero member
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CTO, Ledger
Ledger doesn't publish any source at all, at least the Trezor source is still available for audit. I don't agree with their decision but to consider Ledger all of the sudden better now, seems silly.

to be honest, it's clear people claim that as a knee jerk reaction more than anything else - it's not like we saw an unprecendented surge of orders since yesterday Smiley

Clone guys have also proven on multiple occasions that they had no clues about what they were doing (broken bootloader, almost 1:1 clone but not fully compatible, supercookie, Java applet in 2015 ...)

IMHO Satoshilabs is free to do what they want re. licensing for future versions, all it would take to go back to business as usual would be to come clean on the 1.3.0 situation, because rewriting git history is something that can offend a lot of very noisy people Smiley

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However, I do not think the licensing change will impact wallet integration negatively. A solution has to be found for altcoin devs, though.


Regarding altcoin integration, I believe satoshilabs are happy to add support in the device,but they won't create wallet for them. They said that many times. What it means is that if Electrum works with Trezor, Electrum-LTC will work as well. If there is ever in the future altcoin X that they decline to support, I'll type the one line here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0044.mediawiki#Registered_coin_types and here: https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/ed2e0d081b1f92fd4cf165e7bd426ef0b49e9675/firmware/coins.c myself.
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