Topic: EskimoBob is a scammer, witness reports inside - page 3. (Read 9083 times)

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This. Furthermore it is not IRC. Can you people not resolve your IRC drama on IRC?

This isn't a court at all. This is a hobbyist internet forum specifically for the purpose of public opinion.

Why are you always lobbying to have people banned? You have been doing that for as long as I can remember. No one ever listens to your unproductive whining, you silly silly goose.

I'm not sure what you deem relevant, but that fact that you post here, and presumably read here, tends to point toward the fact that your comments are indeed relevant.

You're worse than MPORXE or whatever the hell that vampire lady calls herself. You are constantly bullied around on this forum and your posts are nothing but whine. Please sprout a backbone or at least let your business speak for itself. If you're trying to employ people to smear your competitors, then I'm not sure you really have much going for you either way.

Im guessing thats why usagi is doing it.

First it deflects from the much more important issues regarding his assets, as relevant posts with serious concerns and revealing numbers quickly get buried under these juvenile  "liar - troll - scammer" discussions that no one cares about. And judging by BMF, Nyan.B and Nyan.C trades on GLSBE, that actually works.

Secondly I imagine it also helps devalue the seriousness of a scammer tag or accusation for the day someone decides usagi's accounting is more than just "creative". Now you may say no one cares about these tags, but I only partially agree. It doesnt really matter if someone like pirate gets it after the fact, but it does matter for someone who still actively soliciting funds and/or running assets on GLBSE or elsewhere.

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This scammer accusations are getting ridiculous.

Nobody cares about scammer tags. Give this bob a scammer tag if it makes you feel better. There is nothing going on in this forum right now besides "scammer tag scammer tag theymos maged im angry" and it's getting really, really freaking old.

Usagi, stop lying. You know that we had this conversation and you offered me that stupid troll job of yours to help you spam your competition.  You also know,  I told you No!

I remembered another related conversation where you actually acknowledged our conversation:

This was happening 2012-09-08 around noon UTC:
 

So BMF hold these non-mining shares:

1000 OBSI.HRPT
24 NYAN

http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/

From 2012-09-25 in #bitcoin-assets


Really? Even After I told you that Obsi is getting ready to drop the ball? 

Oh sorry, I forgot that from your IRC rant:

Let me help; here is the contract:
https://glbse.com/asset/view/BMF

Here is BMFs portfolio:
http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/

Note that obsi.hrpt has nothing to do with mining, and its hard to defend Nyan being a mining asset.
One could even  point out the contract doesnt allow for usagi to buy mining hardware.

Now personally, I wouldnt give someone a scammer tag over something like this.
However, if you are looking for a better reason, I would  suggest you look at this post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announcement-112734

Those are demonstrably lies. First of all, the highest bid is currently 0.4104.

Secondly, if you calculate the NAV using usagi's published asset list here:
http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/
After you correct the prices and you list the fpga and asics at actual list value and not 20% above BFLs listprice,  I got to  0.262 BTC per share at the time it was posted:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1219660

Meanwhile he has been buying up some of those shares causing the nav to rise to ~0.3, but it was never anywhere near 0.5 BTC and saying that was a big fat lie intended solely to mislead potential investors, and talk the price up because his Nyan bonds are heavily invested in BMF and in big trouble.
I suspect the wannabee lawyers here will have an opinion on whether or not thats even criminal.

FWIW, here is an up to date NAV:


1334 BTC worth of assets (even assuming obsi's ponzi is worth face value, its not like you can sell it) for 4585 bonds. Thats 0.29 BTC/bond

Days of our bitcoin lives.

I like to ask forum moderator to rename the this form thread to: "Usagi is a scammer, witness reports inside", close the thread and tag Usagi as a scammer.

I never planned to tag you Usagi, even after all this bull shit. Now, you left me no choice.
 Are you happy now?
 

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Usagi, calm down. You act like a hysterical troll.

Those are "last price" from GLBSE and I had no reason to edit the numbers.
 I only posted that part of the portfolio, what was relevant to Maged  post.

You and I know you fucked up. Other investors are pissed off too. So, stop trolling and blaming me for your screwups and take the responsibility for your own actions.
I quoted the contract from your own web page and I there is no reference to any "motion" that is passed or not passed. Your contract is called "Full Contract". I guess it's another small half truth of yours, similar to calling your own hysterical rants in IRC a contract. 

Maged, here is my account 1CvZLqdL5qpiE1wt9BLGC75yfV9Sg69WTj  he transfered the via 3'rd party. I have no idea, did he use his or BMF's account for this.

Get the logs and prove me puppet or whom ever you think it is me. My level of English is way too low to write like any of those guys.
YOU, Usagi are the one who offered me this disgusting "job" and I told you NO!

This is a very interesting case, indeed. Thus, I'll split my post into two parts: One regarding this individual agreement on its own, and the other based on a broader view of things.

Part one:
Unless there is any objection to the log that was posted, it seems pretty clear that the original agreement should be considered void. Fjordbit has a good point, however, in that the silence portion should have its own value. Thus I would like to see one of the two following outcomes:
1) EskimoBob refunds 5.3 BTC and the shares are returned to him. No, he will not need to pay the original escrow fee. The reason he should not have to pay the escrow fee is because usagi agreed to pay the fee himself, instead of asking EskimoBob to split the fee with him or at least including the escrow fee as a penalty should the agreement be broken. Additionally, the escrow failed to follow the agreement all the way through by releasing the funds immediately instead of waiting an agreed upon amount of time to ensure that the agreement was kept by BOTH parties. This is besides the fact that it is not legal to indefinitely buy someone's silence. However, I think that we can all agree that EskimoBob did not stay silent long enough to be considered reasonable by anyone's standards.
2) EskimoBob refunds the difference between the market value of those shares at the time of the agreement and the value he sold them to usagi for (.53 BTC/share) and usagi provides nothing in return (other than the satisfaction that the agreement was successfully unwound). It's safe to assume that this difference was the agreed upon value of silence for EskimoBob.

Part two:
Here's where things get interesting. It is board policy that, in order to help scammer investigations, NDA's and other such agreements will not be honored for the purpose of the scammer tag when the agreements are broken in order to reveal a scam. Interestingly enough, this seems like it might be the case. I will absolutely need to do more reading into this. If anybody can help shed some light on the issue of usagi allegedly investing BMF funds into non-mining operations, I would appreciate that.

There's also the matter of where the funds used to pay EskimoBob came from. Did they come from a business that was in default? If so, that automatically makes usagi a scammer, placing EskimoBob off the hook.

For these reasons, it will most likely take a few weeks to decide this case. If EskimoBob wants to make it easy on me, he can simply do one of the two options I laid out in part one. As always, the scammer tag decision does not have anything to do with the actual legal system, so keep that in mind when deciding what to do.

I think hes mentioning IRC.