Topic: EskimoBob is a scammer, witness reports inside - page 5. (Read 9062 times)
I thought that was just about being rude to the king?
Just read the constitution (I assume you mean of Thailand cuz that is where I am) and I don't see what you are talking about...
Section 29: Restriction of such rights and liberties as recognized by the Constitution shall not be imposed on a person except by virtue of provisions of the law which must not affect the essential substances of such rights and liberties.
Nope... mine does not have that...
Yes it does. Don't be silly Goat, you would have to learn by now that I am very well versed in such things. I quoted your constitution.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Thailand_(2007)/Chapter_3
Just read the constitution (I assume you mean of Thailand cuz that is where I am) and I don't see what you are talking about...
Section 29: Restriction of such rights and liberties as recognized by the Constitution shall not be imposed on a person except by virtue of provisions of the law which must not affect the essential substances of such rights and liberties.
Breach would be if he did not STFU? That should be easy to prove right?
That isn't breach, anyone who thinks that he needs to STFU is very silly. Read the constitution, contracts cannot supersede any law.
Nobody else's comments could possibly damage usagi's credibility and "reputation" as much as his own.
Oh yeah. this for sure.
"reputation" reputation as con-artist and shell game operator? lol.
I was waiting for this. A contract will now be provided in the form of an abridged & annotated IRC log, and a full IRC log. Let's move this along, thanks Maged. Everyone who was there is a witness. (Edit: Luceo spoke up here on the forums, gigavps and Diablo (who is also a forum mod) was there and saw everything and understood what the deal was about.)
I don't see a breach of contract.
Nobody else's comments could possibly damage usagi's credibility and "reputation" as much as his own.
All I know is that I have not scammed him nor anyone else. Yes, Usagi scammed me, when he told me lies to sell me some of the shares.
I have no idea what is the contract my delusional friend Usagi is speaking about.
But... can I have some of that stuff you guys are smoking? Sounds like a lot of fun. LOL
BTW, usagi got really mad at me because I posted this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1204234
...contract you can really smoke
I have no idea what is the contract my delusional friend Usagi is speaking about.
But... can I have some of that stuff you guys are smoking? Sounds like a lot of fun. LOL
BTW, usagi got really mad at me because I posted this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1204234
...contract you can really smoke
You two need to get a room.
All I know is that I have not scammed him nor anyone else. Yes, Usagi scammed me, when he told me lies to sell me some of the shares.
I have no idea what is the contract my delusional friend Usagi is speaking about.
But... can I have some of that stuff you guys are smoking? Sounds like a lot of fun. LOL
BTW, usagi got really mad at me because I posted this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1204234
...contract you can really smoke
I have no idea what is the contract my delusional friend Usagi is speaking about.
But... can I have some of that stuff you guys are smoking? Sounds like a lot of fun. LOL
BTW, usagi got really mad at me because I posted this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1204234
...contract you can really smoke
I'm not seeing a contract...
To be fair that is not really valid. Many people have been marked scammers when no contracts were involved.
I'm not saying he should get a tag or not, but cuz of no contract is well kinda lame.
LOL.
If this continues with that speed 50% of the forum members will be labelled scammers within the next 3 Month.
If this continues with that speed 50% of the forum members will be labelled scammers within the next 3 Month.
Akka, you're a ruddy git.
Give me 10 btc or I'll... call you a ruddy git again.
I'm not seeing a contract...
LOL.
If this continues with that speed 50% of the forum members will be labelled scammers within the next 3 Month.
If this continues with that speed 50% of the forum members will be labelled scammers within the next 3 Month.
To those saying he shouldn't get a scammer label for being a jerk, the fact is that he sold his silence. An integral part of usagi's offer to rebuy these shares at way above market rate was that EskimoBob would stop talking shit about usagi and his businesses.
If EskimoBob didn't agree to those terms, he didn't have to accept the agreement. He sold his silence, and now he's not keeping to that. In essence he has failed to deliver a service he offered.
I escrowed the BTC payment for this trade and saw the whole thing go down. EskimoBob agreed to keep quiet about usagi and usagi's companies as an integral part of this agreement, and has continued talking shit, thus is in violation of that contract.
I think a scammer tag is warranted.
If EskimoBob didn't agree to those terms, he didn't have to accept the agreement. He sold his silence, and now he's not keeping to that. In essence he has failed to deliver a service he offered.
I escrowed the BTC payment for this trade and saw the whole thing go down. EskimoBob agreed to keep quiet about usagi and usagi's companies as an integral part of this agreement, and has continued talking shit, thus is in violation of that contract.
I think a scammer tag is warranted.
Oh, well that makes it at least interesting. Thanks for letting us know what was going on.
To those saying he shouldn't get a scammer label for being a jerk, the fact is that he sold his silence. An integral part of usagi's offer to rebuy these shares at way above market rate was that EskimoBob would stop talking shit about usagi and his businesses.
If EskimoBob didn't agree to those terms, he didn't have to accept the agreement. He sold his silence, and now he's not keeping to that. In essence he has failed to deliver a service he offered.
I escrowed the BTC payment for this trade and saw the whole thing go down. EskimoBob agreed to keep quiet about usagi and usagi's companies as an integral part of this agreement, and has continued talking shit, thus is in violation of that contract.
I think a scammer tag is warranted.
If EskimoBob didn't agree to those terms, he didn't have to accept the agreement. He sold his silence, and now he's not keeping to that. In essence he has failed to deliver a service he offered.
I escrowed the BTC payment for this trade and saw the whole thing go down. EskimoBob agreed to keep quiet about usagi and usagi's companies as an integral part of this agreement, and has continued talking shit, thus is in violation of that contract.
I think a scammer tag is warranted.
Lol what sort of immature bullshit is this?
Scammer label for being a jerk?
This is not the forum for personal drama. This here is serious business.
This is not the forum for personal drama. This here is serious business.
So... you pay people to stop being mean to you, and you're surprised when it doesn't work?
It's contract law. I'm sure this would hold up in court.
Usagi, you have completely lost it. This is borderline sad.
You did the trade, I received the coin and you got the shares. So what are you accusing me of? You told me I have 2 h, I asked you why not do it in minutes. blaa blaa blaa.
Are you mad at me for posting the number of shares in your portfolios why you promised to start aggressive buyback?
What exactly?
EDIT: After reading 4 pages of usagis absurd accusations, I still can not find any evidence of me being a scammer. He thinks that his hysterical rants in IRC are some type of contracts. I personally do not think so.
I also posted our chat log of him attempting to get me involve in something I consider disgusting - help usagi to spam the forum and troll his competitors. I told him "NO".
He has also loaded the BMF portfolio with questionable investments like DMC, OBSI.HRPT and NYAN.
Edit: 29.09.2012 I guess You do not have to read through 7 pages:
Maged writes:
You did the trade, I received the coin and you got the shares. So what are you accusing me of? You told me I have 2 h, I asked you why not do it in minutes. blaa blaa blaa.
Are you mad at me for posting the number of shares in your portfolios why you promised to start aggressive buyback?
What exactly?
EDIT: After reading 4 pages of usagis absurd accusations, I still can not find any evidence of me being a scammer. He thinks that his hysterical rants in IRC are some type of contracts. I personally do not think so.
I also posted our chat log of him attempting to get me involve in something I consider disgusting - help usagi to spam the forum and troll his competitors. I told him "NO".
He has also loaded the BMF portfolio with questionable investments like DMC, OBSI.HRPT and NYAN.
Edit: 29.09.2012 I guess You do not have to read through 7 pages:
Maged writes:
(edit: emphasis by me) After much back and forth, I feel that I've come to a reasonable decision: EskimoBob will not be getting a scammer tag for this issue, at least from me. There are a few key reasons for this:
1) I feel that there are too many unknown in this case, in both the agreement and in usagi's actions. I cannot support giving someone the scammer tag if I'm not 100% sure.
2) I agree with this judgement:
3) It is very clear that usagi has been posting misleading statements. It may not be enough for a scammer tag, but it's pretty damn close.
Neither side in this case has been particularly blamless, but I don't feel that anybody has acted in a manner befitting of a scammer tag. I'd like to give my thanks for all of the people who gave their opinions
I appologize if this post isn't up to my usual standards in it's explaination, but I was highly distracted while writing it. Rest assured, however, that I was not distracted when I made my decision.
1) I feel that there are too many unknown in this case, in both the agreement and in usagi's actions. I cannot support giving someone the scammer tag if I'm not 100% sure.
2) I agree with this judgement:
I side with Bob, simply because I find the literal idea of buying silence ... I don't know the words, but I do not like it.
If that part of the deal was fairly assigned value, then I think he should send that part back and be done with it.
The issue with assigning a value to the silence part, would be assuming Bob took it as payment for that in the first place.
Would I have been an observer in the live chat, I would have assumed Usagi was overpaying, and doing so to shut Bob up, but not in the literal sense of a scammer tag, more in the line of, "the customer is always right, heres your refund, get out of my store... I have better things to do" you know, like most retail places will "shut you up" should you be unhappy and loud.
With the silence part not being absolutely clear, it's hard to know whether the difference in the market price vs what was offered was just a goodwill concession or not.If that part of the deal was fairly assigned value, then I think he should send that part back and be done with it.
The issue with assigning a value to the silence part, would be assuming Bob took it as payment for that in the first place.
Would I have been an observer in the live chat, I would have assumed Usagi was overpaying, and doing so to shut Bob up, but not in the literal sense of a scammer tag, more in the line of, "the customer is always right, heres your refund, get out of my store... I have better things to do" you know, like most retail places will "shut you up" should you be unhappy and loud.
It is legal (though probably not constitutional) in the USA to pay off for silence (and it's done all of the time), but the contracts to do so are much more detailed and specific than the simple condition expressed in the forum. If you really wanted to buy his silence, you should have drafted a real contract and NDA, properly negotiated the terms, signed and notarized.
If you really wanted to stick it to him, you could file in small claims court against him. The likelihood of him showing up is small and you could probably get a default judgement in your favor without ever having to argue the details of the contract. But my recommendation, even though you didn't specifically ask it of me... just write it up to a life lesson, refuse his business in the future and move on.
Again, I agree with this.If you really wanted to stick it to him, you could file in small claims court against him. The likelihood of him showing up is small and you could probably get a default judgement in your favor without ever having to argue the details of the contract. But my recommendation, even though you didn't specifically ask it of me... just write it up to a life lesson, refuse his business in the future and move on.
Maged, you made two important questions to EskimoBob and he was not able to answer either. Instead of EskimoBob providing a coherent answer explaining how much the shares should worth if the "absurd demands" were not included, EskimoBob decided to play the victim and write off misleading statements. EskimoBob sold back to Usagi the shares above the market price under certain conditions and now EskimoBob is afraid to return the difference. Thus, EskimoBob is trying to evade your judgement since you have already indicated that EskimoBob was overpaid by Usagi.
No, he answered the questions very well, in my opinion.3) It is very clear that usagi has been posting misleading statements. It may not be enough for a scammer tag, but it's pretty damn close.
Neither side in this case has been particularly blamless, but I don't feel that anybody has acted in a manner befitting of a scammer tag. I'd like to give my thanks for all of the people who gave their opinions
I appologize if this post isn't up to my usual standards in it's explaination, but I was highly distracted while writing it. Rest assured, however, that I was not distracted when I made my decision.
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