Topic: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) - page 16. (Read 18679 times)

I know, I said it. You're misreading what I wrote. And if you did any research at all you would discover that both BlueMeanie and IconicExpert are known thieves in the altcoin community.

I had an epiphany about your friend Phantom Trader. He is a sociopath. He is biologically incapable of giving a shit about other people which allows him to lie so easily and unashamedly. He will be what he is forever.

You, on the other hand... There's still some hope for you. Times may be tough where you are but can't you hold out for something legit?

bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-11   0.00000000   Reference   nutildah's NXTSCAM.ORG profile.
bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-08   0.00000000   Reference   a thread about nutildah https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--816663
bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-04   0.00000000   Reference   Nutildah falsely accused me of running a sock puppet account with no evidence.
bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-03   0.00000000      nutildah is a 100% anonymous promoter for the notorious cryptocurrency scam, NXT.
kalenen 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-09-11   0.00000000      To much trolling. He is bad for crypto in general.

shall i repeat it again?
>>
and secondly, I do not operate nor am I an employee of or working in association with Esoteric Investments, LLC. So please retract your statement>>

Digicoinz 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-10-25   0.00000000      left me negative feedback for pointing out that he was operating a Ponzi scheme, will not accept the fact that every program that offers consistently positive, significant returns is eventually exposed as a Ponzi.

I never said I'm operating a ponzi. you are a compulsive liar.

Well I'm glad I could help you start to turn honest.

Somehow I still see you disappearing with a bunch of dumb peoples' money. Your name is already Phantom Trader, after all.

And your counterargument doesn't budge my personal opinion of you in the slightest, BTW.

Fortunately I don't need to be as smart as him as living a lie constantly is difficult.

Not my thread and if it was I still wouldn't moderate it, let the fud come if I can't address it and its valid I want our investors to know. I'm not trying to hide anything more then we need for security.

and again that's not in the pool and it is 25 dollars a month for the minimum investment into the company. Go watch sharktank or read up on angel investing and you will sea that deal isn't even a large one for a startup investment. Many of them require to give up equity, and that is a lot more valuable to us then finding 25 dollars a month to pay an investor for the month.

And we're removing it from our homepage since it seems to be causing all of this confusion that we guarantee profit from our trading to pool members.

That is a personal twitter that I recently made and hardly even use. This is the one we Have been running since our start.

https://twitter.com/InvestEsoteric

Banks gaurantee returns on CD's and monthly interest rates on checking/savings accounts.

so what's the problem?  You're just obsessed with Esoteric having a piece of paper stating they have the OK with SEC. That's the only thing that'll shut you up.

Actually, they have:


This happened. Deal with it. You don't like it, next time open a moderated thread.

It seems like Phantom Trader should be wiser at 48 years of age.

https://twitter.com/PhantomTrade66

By the way I'm curious how many people have taken a look at our Twitter? We've had a presence in the bitcoin community for over half a year as one of the many twitter advisers of crypto trading. We're just the first ones to try to graduate up from advising to managing crypto trading. Back then no one called us a scam of any sort we were thanked multiple times for providing the tools and advice that we did. Now we offer a way to join us in those trades by offering deposits into our managed pool and that makes us a scam. Just wondering where is the logic behind it? or have none of you tried to research anything below face value.

"The SEC investigation shows Shavers used new Bitcoin to repay the first investors, while diverting some of the old cryptocurrency to personal accounts stored at the defunct exchange Mt. Gox and using some of the funds to pay for rent, food and other personal expenses...Shavers, who lives in the state of Texas, guaranteed the safety of their investments and promised the clients he would generate revenue, which he never did."


Once again, Eso has not made any guaranteed claims or promises. so why do you keep posting information irrelevant to esoteric?

This is the publication I am referring to. http://www.sec.gov/oiea/investor-alerts-bulletins/investoralertsia_bitcoin.html#.VEsX9_nF_Sc

Yes, I read the opinion of the court, and see your point. In the last year though the federal reserve officially said that bitcoin is not currency, anyone in the bitcoin environment I'm sure heard that so not gonna bother finding a link. and this publication was brought up as well as the IRS officially saying bitcoin shall be treated as a commodity/property and not currency. This is the definition of a security http://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/security a trade able note of some sort that stands for ownership of a piece of property be it a share in a company or a commodity. Our shares are not trade able like a mutual funds would be on the stock market, and the bitcoin exchanges do not transfer securities of different coins you get the actual coin. In a commodity market for say bananas you wont sell a single banana if you brought a whole hand there with you since those are securities. In crypto markets its only the actual bananas being traded for actual oranges, actual bitcoins for actual altcoins that you get immediate ownership of. So we are not exactly meeting the definition of exchanging securities.

We may be doing investment contracts but that would require bitcoin investments to be money which the entire federal government this year after that case has said they are not. So at this point with where regulation is in the US theres a disagreement between judicial systems (a year ago) and the legislature and executive branches. AKA we'll need a supreme court ruling on this one to know for sure to make it go one way or the other. The judiciary can't consider bitcoin investments as money while they consider any other form of bitcoin as not money.

Investors are giving us their property in hopes of us returning more of it back, not in hopes of raising its value, according to every financial US bureau. This interpretation of the law from this opinion would say they are giving their money to invest. Since the SEC has said it isn't money then the interpretation of the Securities and Exchange Act could be different and this opinion could possibly be appealed.

As I said there's some ambiguity here. Ambiguity that I don't think the legal minds of bitcointalk.org will clear up. So again either find me a bitcoin lawyer or wait for me to find one to see what the current idea is for this sort of work like I said Esoteric Investments has nothing to really base whats needed off of.

ya i have some integrity, so yw for that. but its funny for a scammer to call a scammer a scammer hahaha

I don't know what you're so proud of.

IconicExpert and BlueMeanie are two known scam artists. The leaders of the forum have decided that neither their nor their sock puppets' opinions matter very much.

Thanks for not editing out the feedback from my one actual transaction:

Esoteric has made no such claims. try again.

face the fact, people will invest with them regardless what you try posting here. so good luck wasting your energy.

Everybody look at this>> trust comments on nutildah

User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
NoNxt4me 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-10-23   0.00000000      nutildah is part of the notorious cryptocurrency scam NXT
bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-11   0.00000000   Reference   nutildah's NXTSCAM.ORG profile.
bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-08   0.00000000   Reference   a thread about nutildah https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--816663
bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-04   0.00000000   Reference   Nutildah falsely accused me of running a sock puppet account with no evidence.
bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-03   0.00000000      nutildah is a 100% anonymous promoter for the notorious cryptocurrency scam, NXT.
kalenen 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-09-11   0.00000000      To much trolling. He is bad for crypto in general.
IconicExpert 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-09-09   0.00000000      This person posts false information and should not be trusted. Avoid him at any cost.
EFFV 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-09-09   0.05000000      Prompt Payment! Thanks a ton!
Sent feedback

“Ponzi scheme operators often claim to have a tie to a new and emerging technology as a lure to potential victims,” said Lori J. Schock, Director of the SEC’s Office of Investor Education and Advocacy.  “Investors should understand that regardless of the type of investment, a promise of high returns with little or no risk is a classic warning sign of fraud.”

https://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.VEsnjPnF-h_

“Fraudsters are not beyond the reach of the SEC just because they use Bitcoin or another virtual currency to mislead investors and violate the federal securities laws,” said Andrew M. Calamari, Director of the SEC’s New York Regional Office.

I expect that if they keep pushing this tomatocage will jump in at some point.    In the meantime they have their right to be here on their own thread.

Today's Trading Pool Payout at 0.36%

Thank you to all that have joined, don't forget to check out the lottery section, no winners yet!

(site link at bottom)

I actually meant to post this on the new page.

Your trust rating means more than mine.

And I urge you to reconsider seeing as how 100% of all guaranteed hyper return-on-investment schemes have ended poorly. The ones that haven't yet, will.

The fact is this: 5% a month = 80% a year = utter greed & ridiculousness

Because I have not invested, so my claim isn't first hand.   I did invest in BTC-Arbs and after they went down I was did get my investment refunded without earnings.   But that doesn't have any weight over here. 

You are free to put up trust ratings yourself.   It is a nasty business so I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt.   

You need to find the actual final judgment of that case. what you found is just an opinion, it doesn't have precedence in case-law.  This document was only the beginning of the case to pass the jurisdiction test. there would be many filings done after that, dismissals, rebuttals etc.

So please find the final judgment of the case that states what you are trying to point here.

What SEC publication are you referring to? Surely the SEC wouldn't want to give up their authority over some investments just because they are denominated in a cryptocurrency instead of traditional currency.

Have you read the court document I linked and referenced? It is a short four page read, but clearly describes the three qualifications of an investment contact (security) and how they applied to investments offered by Shavers. Using the same methodology, I cannot see a difference between your offerings and Shavers'.