Alright I'll remove my negative trust and we will see what happens.
That's a little premature, don't you think? Look, he's obviously a Ponzi scammer. Why pretend otherwise?
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Alright I'll remove my negative trust and we will see what happens.
That's a little premature, don't you think? Look, he's obviously a Ponzi scammer. Why pretend otherwise?
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear.
Why are you comparing conventional financial systems with bitcoin ? Bitcoin was designed to get away from those archaic systems, to separate from the govt and suffocation of regulations.
but you idiots keep trying to push it that govt should be involved?
wtf...
not saying you, but to the ones that are pushing to make something intended for the people by the people without government intrusion.
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear.
Well thank you, quarterly reports would be a good idea for transparency, of what has been bought and sold and what is still being held. I'm saying I can't show our open orders that are on the markets, with the largely manipulative game that trading is on the crypto exchanges showing your hand like that would surely screw you over. The holdings we have we can show though for your investor analysis every quarter maybe monthly since crypto is a hell of a lot faster then traditional markets.
But yea thanks expect to see something come of that dyask.
For all the fudders, fud away but please if you come up with something useful to say, say it. We're listening and looking for them. Thats what I
d like to see from this thread. If you could make a legitimate bitcoin management firm to handle bitcoin investments to trade on crypto currency markets how would you do it? That's what we're doing and for anyone that doesn't know, the path to do it is not set in stone, not even a dirt road at this point in time.
Alright I'll remove my negative trust and we will see what happens.
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear.
Why are you comparing conventional financial systems with bitcoin ? Bitcoin was designed to get away from those archaic systems, to separate from the govt and suffocation of regulations.
but you idiots keep trying to push it that govt should be involved?
wtf...
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear.
Well thank you, quarterly reports would be a good idea for transparency, of what has been bought and sold and what is still being held. I'm saying I can't show our open orders that are on the markets, with the largely manipulative game that trading is on the crypto exchanges showing your hand like that would surely screw you over. The holdings we have we can show though for your investor analysis every quarter maybe monthly since crypto is a hell of a lot faster then traditional markets.
But yea thanks expect to see something come of that dyask.
For all the fudders, fud away but please if you come up with something useful to say, say it. We're listening and looking for them. Thats what I
d like to see from this thread. If you could make a legitimate bitcoin management firm to handle bitcoin investments to trade on crypto currency markets how would you do it? That's what we're doing and for anyone that doesn't know, the path to do it is not set in stone, not even a dirt road at this point in time.
seriously?...the chat is so that ppl like you can have live contact with the business owners and get your concerns and questions answered. secondly businesses have teams working on different aspects of the company, this way multiple projects can be completed simultaneously.
where did you get your education? cause your not showing much intelligence.
It seems the chat is just you and Phantom talking shit about people. Very professional behaviour. where did you get your education? cause your not showing much intelligence.
no, i'm stating an observation, ignorance and idiocy is rampant with ppl that make blatantly false accusations.
Hey everybody,
ANY "program" that offers you fixed returns of this magnitude IS A SCAM! They have 100% all been scams, from Ponzi to Madoff to Esoteric Investments, and even if you don't lose your money you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity by sending these dickless bullshitters money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_investment_program
ANY "program" that offers you fixed returns of this magnitude IS A SCAM! They have 100% all been scams, from Ponzi to Madoff to Esoteric Investments, and even if you don't lose your money you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity by sending these dickless bullshitters money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_investment_program
seriously?...the chat is so that ppl like you can have live contact with the business owners and get your concerns and questions answered. secondly businesses have teams working on different aspects of the company, this way multiple projects can be completed simultaneously.
where did you get your education? cause your not showing much intelligence.
It seems the chat is just you and Phantom talking shit about people. Very professional behaviour. where did you get your education? cause your not showing much intelligence.
1-800-GET-A-LIFE
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear.
seriously?...the chat is so that ppl like you can have live contact with the business owners and get your concerns and questions answered. secondly businesses have teams working on different aspects of the company, this way multiple projects can be completed simultaneously.
where did you get your education? cause your not showing much intelligence.
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear.
Why are you comparing conventional financial systems with bitcoin ? Bitcoin was designed to get away from those archaic systems, to separate from the govt and suffocation of regulations.
but you idiots keep trying to push it that govt should be involved?
wtf...
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear.
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear.
you're prolly another victim of a hyip and just trying to take out your vengeance on Eso. take it elsewhere.
No, I told you already, I just hate scammers. Especially stupid ones like yourself. Ones that don't have the brains or balls to do something intelligent or non-evil with their pathetic lives.
I told you what I'm doing. I'm following you around for the rest of your short career here, reminding everybody that you are running a Ponzi scheme.
If you don't like it, go make a fool of yourself to the authorities, crybaby.
You are a pathetic individual with no ambitions in life, just wanting to feed off of others successes. good luck with that.
and you don't have the balls to report them because you don't want to get discovered for your illegal activities : ))))
From the thread that Eatshiteric Investments bombed with their spam for this obvious Ponzi scheme:
That guaranteed 5% return (which adds up to 60% for a year by the way)
Regardless, 60% is still way too high to be a legitimate return. You missed the part where I described to you in detail how Bernie Madoff went to prison offering 12% a year. You are still offering 48% more than Bernie Madoff.
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nutilda, you are clearly bored. so make yourself useful, and either invest, don't invest, or hell you can report the company to the appropriate authorities IF you are so convinced there's smth illegal happening, which I will enjoy knowing nothing will come of that.
so thank you for your obsession with esoteric, plz stop repeating your empty accusations. you and madoff can go sleep in the same bed. you're prolly another victim of a hyip and just trying to take out your vengeance on Eso. take it elsewhere.
thank you
That guaranteed 5% return (which adds up to 60% for a year by the way)
Regardless, 60% is still way too high to be a legitimate return. You missed the part where I described to you in detail how Bernie Madoff went to prison offering 12% a year. You are still offering 48% more than Bernie Madoff.
nutilda, you are clearly bored. so make yourself useful, and either invest, don't invest, or hell you can report the company to the appropriate authorities IF you are so convinced there's smth illegal happening, which I will enjoy knowing nothing will come of that.
so thank you for your obsession with esoteric, plz stop repeating your empty accusations. you and madoff can go sleep in the same bed. you're prolly another victim of a hyip and just trying to take out your vengeance on Eso. take it elsewhere.
thank you
From the thread that Eatshiteric Investments bombed with their spam for this obvious Ponzi scheme:
That guaranteed 5% return (which adds up to 60% for a year by the way)
Regardless, 60% is still way too high to be a legitimate return. You missed the part where I described to you in detail how Bernie Madoff went to prison offering 12% a year. You are still offering 48% more than Bernie Madoff.
That guaranteed 5% return (which adds up to 60% for a year by the way)
Regardless, 60% is still way too high to be a legitimate return. You missed the part where I described to you in detail how Bernie Madoff went to prison offering 12% a year. You are still offering 48% more than Bernie Madoff.
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
And I'll be here to throw it back in your face when its not >: )
Yeah I'm sure you will be. You'll be gone like the wind.
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
And I'll be here to throw it back in your face when its not >: )
This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
Trading Bitcoin is property for the securities and exchange commission. As when you exchange the coin you exchange it for the coin, not a security that says you own the coin, I actually have it in my wallet to use for purchases or to sell it for something else. Crypto currency is like trading cards you wouldn't need a license to trade a babe ruth rookie card for 1000 crappy cards of no name players regardless if the babe ruth card was yours or a trading card exchange client.
You don't need a license to trade Bitcoin, correct. You do need a license if you do so with other peoples money. Seeking investments for an unregistered security is not something the SEC is a big fan of.
And that is completely ignoring the big question of whether the entire operation is actually doing what it claims to do. For which no evidence whatsoever has been presented.
Shavers bought and sold bitcoin for USD which requires money transmitter regulations, and he knowingly ran a ponzi scheme. We do not trade any investor funds for USD only profits that are taken off the top for our cut to pay ourselves and expenses for the company of which some still remains in bitcoin since, we like Bitcoin. Also as we're not knowingly running a ponzi scheme we do not really need to worry about Shavers.
In the Shavers case, all transactions between investors and Shavers were solely in bitcoin. His supposed business was buying and selling bitcoins for USD, but these transactions did not involve investors. You should really review more about the Shavers case and why it is relevant to your "business".A couple of excerpts from https://www.scribd.com/doc/158943320/SEC-v-Shavers-August-6:
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The term “security” is defined as “any note, stock, treasury stock, security future, security-based swap, bond…[or] investment contract…” 15 U.S.C. § 77b. An investment contract is any contract, transaction, or scheme involving (1) an investment of money, (2) in a common enterprise, (3) with the expectation that profits will be derived from the efforts of the promoter or a third party.
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It is clear that Bitcoin can be used as money. It can be used to purchase goods or services, and as Shavers stated, used to pay for individual living expenses. The only limitation of Bitcoin is that it is limited to those places that accept it as currency. However, it can also be exchanged for conventional currencies, such as the U.S.dollar, Euro, Yen, and Yuan. Therefore, Bitcoin is a currency or form of money, and investors wishing to invest in BTCST provided an investment of money.
So why do securities laws not apply to you?
Rannasha
What would you like to see from us to give proof of our trading. I admit this is the weakest area that we have for transparency as we can't show you trading account information or current coins and open orders being traded as that may screw up our trading and as a result the pool. All we have been able to show is the process of coins we did trade like doge that we have showed.
Keyser Soze
So America; FED says bitcoin is not a currency, IRS taxes it like a commodity, SEC claims it is a property investment, while still being a form of money to the judiciary. Every branch of government has a different stance on this thing wtf. Love this country...
Keyser Soze we'll have to address that in some way to abide by the law. As you probably know and see above the USA doesn't make it easy to understand how and I'm sure they don't make it cheap to do so.
As of the last SEC publication concerning bitcoin it was being deemed as property, like the IRS has it, that would be invested in us to buy and sell to make more of that property, not money, so we have been trying to comply with that idea as our bare minimum amount of regulations till we are able to afford registrations for the whole thing starting with SEC accreditation up to FINcen. Seeing as how the shavers case was a year before this last publication maybe the regulation is different now, wouldn't get shavers out of jail as he was running a blatant ponzi scheme so we would't have heard anything about an appeals case in the news as he got what he deserved for being a scam regardless of bitcoin being money or not for investments.
In a few months regulations wont be of any concern so wait patiently and stay un-involved in the pool if you want till we have them. In the meantime we are seeking advice from people more attuned to the legalities then us. If ceasing trading till we have certification is necessary then that is what we will do if not then we will get those certification in due time to expand. We'll be sure to update everyone on either outcome within the coming weeks to month with a statement from the legal adviser we'd meet with. Sadly hard to find a good bitcoin lawyer in NJ or anywhere, and don't want to trust a regular business lawyer as I'm sure they'll tell us what requires the most to pay to them, and not what the actual stance is for the law on Bitcoin
Feel free to refer some Bitcoin attorneys to us.
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