Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) - page 9.

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Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 09:51:02 PM

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Even so, they can be sued personally for losses.

You are lying. You cannot sue anyone personally for losses incurred in a LLC. That's what the LIMITED LIABILITY means.

No thats not what it means. If it meant what you seem to think it means, it would be called "no liability". Among other things, fraud is a reason for piercing the corporate veil and holding the people personally responsible.

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Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 08:19:10 PM

It's not a security, please look back through this thread as Phantom (dan pace) has covered this issue already.

NO he hasnt, and he cant. This bullshit about BTC not being regulated has already been shot down in court so many times, I posted the verdict several times and what it says applies 100% to this scam:

First, the Court must determine whether the BTCST
investments constitute an investment of money. It is clear that Bitcoin can be used as money. It
can be used to purchase goods or services, and as Shavers stated, used to pay for individual
living expenses. The only limitation of Bitcoin is that it is limited to those places that accept it as
currency. However, it can also be exchanged for conventional currencies, such as the U.S.
dollar, Euro, Yen, and Yuan. Therefore, Bitcoin is a currency or form of money, and investors
wishing to invest in BTCST provided an investment of money.

[..]

CONCLUSION
Therefore, the Court finds that the BTCST investments meet the definition of investment
contract, and as such, are securities.2
For these reasons, the Court finds that it has subject matter
jurisdiction over this matter, pursuant to Sections 20 and 22 of the Securities Act of 1933 (the
“Securities Act”) [15 U.S.C. §§ 77t and 77v] and Sections 21 and 27 of the Exchange Act of
1934 (the “Exchange Act”) [15 U.S.C. §§ 78u and 78aa].

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/08/06/Bitcoin.pdf

Note the issue there wasnt even if it was a ponzi or not, the court first determined that BTC denominated investments where indeed a security. Guess what: THEY ARE.

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Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 11:09:51 PM

Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 11:07:30 PM

Than I'm sorry you can't give some things a chance before it has a chance to prove itself.

That doesn't bode well for the rest of your team - how can anyone trust anything you post?

Esoteric Investments has explained everything I said, and has a track record of trading with very little motive to scam. Has the trading intelligence you'd expect and coin knowledge you'd need for the markets. Oversight and transparency is coming for as much as we can give however that takes time to develop and figure out how. So instead of criticism we need to know how your bitcoin can be made safe from the best source you or oyu'll have to wait till we figure out a fool proof way.

Medusa trading was a trading User interface that featured automatic buys and stop loss/sells along with a social media aspect that allowed groups to share trading tips and strategies, chat, and see market performance of each other, past filled orders, and open orders. With all that you could form small groups and trade together knowing what everyone was doing to pool your bitcoin and trade together. We took it offline recently as bitcoin was sent in as it exposed our open orders, and had no users besides ourselves. Screenshots are on our twitter and we made a twitter for Medusa with more screenshots. Old links there are down and archived now though. @MedusaTrading1

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Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 11:17:17 PM

Ok, for one I'm promoting the company on my own accord.

Thanks for the clarification, but promoting an obvious ponzi is not good karma either. Undecided

Have a good night.

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Ok, for one I'm promoting the company on my own accord. not "with" any "team" as you say. Rune, is doing his own thing and not my business. If it's an issue for Esoteric, they will make it known to him.

I'm associated with Esoteric only as a customer, NOTHING more. So hope that clarifies any confusion.

Any information I acquire of and about Esoteric is through my own research, and information I glean off of Dan and Glenn.

Thank you

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Quote from: fedor3327 on October 26, 2014, 10:52:48 PM

Quote from: Phantom Trader on October 26, 2014, 10:27:18 PM

......... The real worry is one of them shutting down in....

Probably this one....
http://www.iii.co.uk/research/LSE:MML/news/item/1093348/cancellation-medusa-mining-ld?context=LSE:MML

Regards.

That's old trading platform
https://medusa.esotericinvestments.com/login.php
and I saw inside was some tradings ..... about 5-10 USD.

Edit. I don't crack your sites but both sites have zero security.

Regards.

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Quote from: 1RuneKing on October 26, 2014, 11:08:29 PM

Well I'm not religious, and I tackle everything analytically. If there is no proof I don't believe/support it.
This is not a scam and it will succeed.

This is also likeyl the last post I will have for a while
Phantom, Digi, deal with this, I'm stepping away as dealing with Vod for a few hours has pissed me off and stressed me out.

I'm going to go relax to some Walking Dead

Quoting before he deletes...

1RuneKing - lying is always stressful. The truth will set you free.

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Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 11:07:30 PM

Than I'm sorry you can't give some things a chance before it has a chance to prove itself.

One of your strongest supporters (client #3!!!) turned out to be a pathological liar! Thank goodness you were able to shut him up, but the damage is already done.

That doesn't bode well for the rest of your team - how can anyone trust anything you post?

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Quote from: fedor3327 on October 26, 2014, 10:52:48 PM

Quote from: Phantom Trader on October 26, 2014, 10:27:18 PM

......... The real worry is one of them shutting down in....

Probably this one....
http://www.iii.co.uk/research/LSE:MML/news/item/1093348/cancellation-medusa-mining-ld?context=LSE:MML

Regards.

Are you msitaking the Medusa trading software we created for this Mine that I guess closed. They're not us.

If that is applied to something else then I don't understand.

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Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 11:04:45 PM

Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 11:03:57 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 11:00:26 PM

Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 10:46:18 PM

I'm only thinking about the apologies I expect to receive after all is said and done Cool

You must be religious. Seems most people are aware your site is a scam.

I am, got a problem with that?

Nope, just shows your mental state and that you are gullible. No doubt you believe your scam will succeed. Wink

Well I'm not religious, and I tackle everything analytically. If there is no proof I don't believe/support it.
This is not a scam and it will succeed.

This is also likeyl the last post I will have for a while
Phantom, Digi, deal with this, I'm stepping away as dealing with Vod for a few hours has pissed me off and stressed me out.

I'm going to go relax to some Walking Dead

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Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 11:04:45 PM

Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 11:03:57 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 11:00:26 PM

Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 10:46:18 PM

I'm only thinking about the apologies I expect to receive after all is said and done Cool

You must be religious. Seems most people are aware your site is a scam.

I am, got a problem with that?

Nope, just shows your mental state and that you are gullible. No doubt you believe your scam will succeed. Wink

Than I'm sorry you can't give some things a chance before it has a chance to prove itself.

Sad...

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Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 11:03:57 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 11:00:26 PM

Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 10:46:18 PM

I'm only thinking about the apologies I expect to receive after all is said and done Cool

You must be religious. Seems most people are aware your site is a scam.

I am, got a problem with that?

Nope, just shows your mental state and that you are gullible. No doubt you believe your scam will succeed. Wink

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Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 11:00:26 PM

Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 10:46:18 PM

I'm only thinking about the apologies I expect to receive after all is said and done Cool

You must be religious. Seems most people are aware your site is a scam.

I am, got a problem with that?

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Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 10:46:18 PM

I'm only thinking about the apologies I expect to receive after all is said and done Cool

You must be religious. Seems most people are aware your site is a scam.

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Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 10:30:53 PM

Quote from: Phantom Trader on October 26, 2014, 10:27:18 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 10:15:13 PM

Quote from: Phantom Trader on October 26, 2014, 10:05:44 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 09:51:02 PM

We need to prove we made some poor trading decisions. Given the majority of our trades happen on two large American exchanges the court system and ourselves wont have much of a problem proving. The real worry is one of them shutting down in which case again there'll be proof and pretty logical explanation better then a typhoon on a long planned vacation.

Your computer crashed and you lost all records...

Scammers hacked in and stole all the coins....

Just two legal excuses I can think of that allow you to take all the coins and have zero personal liability.

K then how do we do it? Has to be some way to provide a mutual fund of bitcoin to invest in altcurrencies and maybe in the future stocks and commodity futures with or without USD. How do you do that? and why can't we?

Yea rune a lot of that isn't right. Talking with a lawyer will assure us of our understanding as well as validate it for other people. Or prove us wrong so we can do everything correctly, and be back on the scene as shortly as possible.

Passphrase is not only known by Glenn that would be stupid. and several backups physical and digital with offline wallets fire walled on the PC and the router whenever syncing the block chain. We keep several wallets on exchanges and computers. So a hack on one is conceivable though unlikely a hack on all is impossible. And unlike bitcoin trader we can add all the coin together and do not need it all in one wallet ever.

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lol "i refreshed the page" and "lie" became lie

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Quote from: 1RuneKing on October 26, 2014, 10:53:34 PM

I am no longer posting anything without first checking with Dan/Glenn as dealing with you for several hours, and looking at that picture of that retard Peter Griffin has severely ticked me off.
You'll regret saying these things once the company takes off.

Why would I regret pointing out you are a liar when the company takes off?

You made those posts, then deleted them, then accused me of making up stories.

You do realize the mods can see deleted posts, right?

How do you think Dan/Glenn feel about you promoting their site when you lie about everything?

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Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 10:47:12 PM

Quote from: 1RuneKing on October 26, 2014, 10:45:34 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 10:39:51 PM

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BTC has no regulation so it is not necessary for them to speak with a lawyer.

lol. Man you have to shut up. You are clueless about how the US trading regulations work, esp with corporations dealing with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

Quote from: Vod on October 26, 2014, 10:21:07 PM

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And you need to stop spreading unfounded lies and FUD!

Hey liar. You are the one knows nothing about what a LLC is. I do.

Nothing I have posted is a lie. Roll Eyes

Nice way of fabricating lies. Where do ya see these posts?

You posted them and deleted them. I'm sure other people saw them.

Thanks for showing everyone how honest you are. Tongue

I am no longer posting anything without first checking with Dan/Glenn as dealing with you for several hours, and looking at that picture of that retard Peter Griffin has severely ticked me off.
You'll regret saying these things once the company takes off.

Quote from: Digicoinz on October 26, 2014, 10:46:18 PM

I'm only thinking about the apologies I expect to receive after all is said and done Cool

same

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