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Topic: Eth 2.0 can be delayed to 2024... - page 3. (Read 2626 times)

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July 10, 2022, 08:04:19 PM
btw i would argue pos = bond

I would argue otherwise.
A bond frees up money that wasn't doing anything. POS locks up money so it can't do anything.

When a company issues bonds it intends to use the cash to grow the company. The buyers have cash
that was just sitting there so they buy bonds to earn interest. It prevents cash from stagnating.
POS only looks like a bond from the buyer (staker) side, it's a deposit that earns interest. There's no
more economic benefit than putting cash in a mattress where it stagnates.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
July 10, 2022, 06:50:33 PM
In the meltdown fork (rebel fork) we want to premine the same amount as the staked ether in the POS fork. We are ready to release,but waiting for the V team to fork... Mining support is not needed, the genesis block has already been mined and the difficulty is low.  The final net will probably have a different structure, but if the V team decide to fork early, we are ready...  The devteam will be supported by the 15 million locked staked POS coins that will be converted to premined coins that can be sold to support the development of the new network. This amount was acceptable by the exchanges we have talked to in order to get it listed...
 -----

our motivation:

Look at Dogecoin. The market cap of Doge is now bigger than Litecoin (the forked coin) . We don't want to join the POS experiment, so we simply move to a more stable, secure and advanced technology POW. By forking, we can remove the whole management of the coin, the devs and the assets of their supporters.

Then we can push the coin in the right direction.  

At launch all Ethereum holders that haven't locked their funds for staking will receive the same amount of ethereum as they own. Currently this number is 89,2% of the supply but this it is expected to decrease if more users join the ethereum 2.0 staking pool.

So the 11.8% who have locked their funds in Ethereum 2.0, will loose their coins in the new Ethereum.

You can't attack 15 million coins of staked ETH with even 90 million un-staked ETH. You first have to stake the 90 million ETH. That's how the validators work. I am not sure you understand how it works. And if you attack the network you lose your ETH. Who's going to do that? George Soros?! lol!

Yes you can, In a Prof Of Wealth attack.

When 12% support POS and  88% support POW. You only need to hardfork, and replace the devs, the management and their supporters by freezing their assets...

This  is how democracy works. (Boris Johnson)
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All ethereum holders that haven't locked their funds will receive the same amount ethereum in the rebel fork. 1:1. The Implementation is done by a team of old Bitcoin devs.
If you have more Ethereum staking validators then you can attack the network. That means someone has to setup over 300,000 validators with 32 ETH each to attack the POS network. And risk getting their funds slashed.
Also it is easier to recover from a POS attack than a POW attack.

Search for this topic on Google to understand more about it. You're delusional with some of your comments.

Youtube:
Ethereum 2.0: Proof of Stake vs Proof of Work | Vitalik Buterin and Lex Fridman

no work no wealth.

btw i would argue pos = bond

which means eth will be fully regulated as if it is a bond.

good luck with a bond based on nothingness.

at least a bond with a real company is based on what the company produces.
or services or in the case of New Jersey Turnpike bonds they are based on the tolls collected and the physical roads and bridges that make the turnpike.

Pos = piece of shit based on nothing.

and if I am wrong it will be like a bond and fully regulated with every staker marked and kyc’d

btw only 15 mill coins staked

and 106 mill coins not staked.

and do you realize more than 30 million premined coins are out there right now.
not staked.
they can wipe the current stakers out.

in a snap in a takeover.

have you even consider that is what will happen if that is planned.

do you know who holds the premined coins?

they sold for very very very little fiat it is possible one guy owns 30 million eth and got them at under 1 dollar a coin.


60 million premined were sold at 13.8 million

12 million were kept by development foundation.

that is 72 million of 121 or 122 coins.

for pos to have any shot at working all those 72 million coins need to be revealed.
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July 10, 2022, 05:32:46 PM
In the meltdown fork (rebel fork) we want to premine the same amount as the staked ether in the POS fork. We are ready to release,but waiting for the V team to fork... Mining support is not needed, the genesis block has already been mined and the difficulty is low.  The final net will probably have a different structure, but if the V team decide to fork early, we are ready...  The devteam will be supported by the 15 million locked staked POS coins that will be converted to premined coins that can be sold to support the development of the new network. This amount was acceptable by the exchanges we have talked to in order to get it listed...
 -----

our motivation:

Look at Dogecoin. The market cap of Doge is now bigger than Litecoin (the forked coin) . We don't want to join the POS experiment, so we simply move to a more stable, secure and advanced technology POW. By forking, we can remove the whole management of the coin, the devs and the assets of their supporters.

Then we can push the coin in the right direction.  

At launch all Ethereum holders that haven't locked their funds for staking will receive the same amount of ethereum as they own. Currently this number is 89,2% of the supply but this it is expected to decrease if more users join the ethereum 2.0 staking pool.

So the 11.8% who have locked their funds in Ethereum 2.0, will loose their coins in the new Ethereum.

You can't attack 15 million coins of staked ETH with even 90 million un-staked ETH. You first have to stake the 90 million ETH. That's how the validators work. I am not sure you understand how it works. And if you attack the network you lose your ETH. Who's going to do that? George Soros?! lol!

Yes you can, In a Prof Of Wealth attack.

When 12% support POS and  88% support POW. You only need to hardfork, and replace the devs, the management and their supporters by freezing their assets...

This  is how democracy works. (Boris Johnson)
----

All ethereum holders that haven't locked their funds will receive the same amount ethereum in the rebel fork. 1:1. The Implementation is done by a team of old Bitcoin devs.
If you have more Ethereum staking validators then you can attack the network. That means someone has to setup over 300,000 validators with 32 ETH each to attack the POS network. And risk getting their funds slashed.
Also it is easier to recover from a POS attack than a POW attack.

Search for this topic on Google to understand more about it. You're delusional with some of your comments.

Youtube:
Ethereum 2.0: Proof of Stake vs Proof of Work | Vitalik Buterin and Lex Fridman
legendary
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July 10, 2022, 06:51:32 AM
I know that POS was (and still is) the plan all along for ETH, but I don't know why they cannot come up with some type of hybrid system, say 50% POS and 50% POW.

Some coins are now even going POUW (Proof of useful Work), so maybe some type of change in that area, say 50% POS and 50% POUW, since one of the main arguments for the switch to pure POS is to reduce energy consumption.

Myself I never was a fan of the POS concept in that is it simply bringing the normal financial system to crypto, mainly in that the reward goes to those with the most tokens (money). While POW is far from perfect, I am sure if efforts were focused into this area improvements could also be made to help reduce energy consumption and pretty much eliminate the useless work while still maintaining the decentralization benefits.
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July 09, 2022, 01:09:14 PM
I am so encouraged by this thread I purchased an evga 3060ti today.

I got a great deal 502 new 3 year warranty. pre tax and pre coupons.

539 with the tax
 30 coupon
509
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449
 11 coupon
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this is the card I got.

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copper member
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฿itcoin for all, All for ฿itcoin.
July 08, 2022, 05:44:25 PM
-snip-
I think you misunderstood what I wrote, but it was actually a similar point I was trying to put across while replying to devil2man who was saying cardano would overtake ETH in coinmarketcap rankings.
sp_
legendary
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Team Black developer
July 08, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
A new Ghost fork has been scheduled in the rebel net. The Alaska meltdown fork. Stablecoin attack protection code being tested. smal bugfixes and improvements.
 
A new virtual hedge coin (fund) being tested  to lock the value to bitcoin (BTCT)  POS vs POW. it will work as USDT.. Locked to the price of Bitcoin. The BTCT will be using the strong POW rebel fork smart contract network. This blockchain is not bound by any  currency or country.
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July 08, 2022, 09:28:11 AM
I been mining ETH for some time and even back in the early days people said it didn't pay to invest in new GPUs to mine ETH as it will be moving to POS within the next 6 months.

Well let me say it has been *the next 6 months* for quite a number of years now. I don't doubt it will eventually switch over, but it doesn't pay to get too worked up about it until it actually happens.

basically pos = piece of shit.


it should never switch over.

but maybe the op and this idea crushes the eth morons in charge at the moment.

and we have a new boss that is not the same as the old boss.

go sp_
sr. member
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July 08, 2022, 03:28:07 AM
#99
I been mining ETH for some time and even back in the early days people said it didn't pay to invest in new GPUs to mine ETH as it will be moving to POS within the next 6 months.

Well let me say it has been *the next 6 months* for quite a number of years now. I don't doubt it will eventually switch over, but it doesn't pay to get too worked up about it until it actually happens.
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
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Team Black developer
July 07, 2022, 12:58:55 PM
#98
In the meltdown fork (rebel fork) we want to premine the same amount as the staked ether in the POS fork. We are ready to release,but waiting for the V team to fork... Mining support is not needed, the genesis block has already been mined and the difficulty is low.  The final net will probably have a different structure, but if the V team decide to fork early, we are ready...  The devteam will be supported by the 15 million locked staked POS coins that will be converted to premined coins that can be sold to support the development of the new network. This amount was acceptable by the exchanges we have talked to in order to get it listed...
 -----

our motivation:

Look at Dogecoin. The market cap of Doge is now bigger than Litecoin (the forked coin) . We don't want to join the POS experiment, so we simply move to a more stable, secure and advanced technology POW. By forking, we can remove the whole management of the coin, the devs and the assets of their supporters.

Then we can push the coin in the right direction.  

At launch all Ethereum holders that haven't locked their funds for staking will receive the same amount of ethereum as they own. Currently this number is 89,2% of the supply but this it is expected to decrease if more users join the ethereum 2.0 staking pool.

So the 11.8% who have locked their funds in Ethereum 2.0, will loose their coins in the new Ethereum.

You can't attack 15 million coins of staked ETH with even 90 million un-staked ETH. You first have to stake the 90 million ETH. That's how the validators work. I am not sure you understand how it works. And if you attack the network you lose your ETH. Who's going to do that? George Soros?! lol!

Yes you can, In a Prof Of Wealth attack.

When 12% support POS and  88% support POW. You only need to hardfork, and replace the devs, the management and their supporters by freezing their assets...

This  is how democracy works. (Boris Johnson)
----

All ethereum holders that haven't locked their funds will receive the same amount ethereum in the rebel fork. 1:1. The Implementation is done by a team of old Bitcoin devs.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
July 07, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
#97
Ethereum 2.0 will fork the network, and they have implemented a difficulty bomb which will end POW. With a small modification of the wallet code, ethereum will still be minable. Solominers, Pools and exchanges would need to update their wallets.
Another Ethereum Classic, another Team. I am a coin dev and a miner dev with 9 years of blockchain experience, and my team is strong. I have also previously announced that I will create a new coin here on bitcointalk.
We will end up with the POW fork "Ethereum", and the new POS fork "Ethereum 2.0"
Will you change the size of the DAG file so that mining is available for video cards with 3 GB of memory ?
Then more miners will join you, or will you not make changes to the size of the dag file?

First version will have no change, but randomx variant for the gpu is been worked on. ETHASH+randomx(gpu). The coin is ready for launch, some hashpower has already been moved to the testnet. Premining... The shadow fork is done to protect the network from lame killn attacks.

The 11.8% who have locked their funds in Ethereum 2.0, will loose their coins in the new Ethereum.

So keep joining the 2.0 staking pool guys... More for us (The miners). An Ethereum without mr V, his supporters and other POS lovers.

Same same but different
Do you need a rig pointed to you for test mining.

I can do that if you want.

please note this is my alt account of philipma1957.



this is true.

a1 hashrate llc  was formed by me and buysolar this year.

We have about 10gh in eth hash I can point various rigs from multiple ip's to you if you need it.

I use windows and smos
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July 07, 2022, 09:58:37 AM
#96
Ethereum 2.0 will fork the network, and they have implemented a difficulty bomb which will end POW. With a small modification of the wallet code, ethereum will still be minable. Solominers, Pools and exchanges would need to update their wallets.
Another Ethereum Classic, another Team. I am a coin dev and a miner dev with 9 years of blockchain experience, and my team is strong. I have also previously announced that I will create a new coin here on bitcointalk.
We will end up with the POW fork "Ethereum", and the new POS fork "Ethereum 2.0"
Will you change the size of the DAG file so that mining is available for video cards with 3 GB of memory ?
Then more miners will join you, or will you not make changes to the size of the dag file?

First version will have no change, but randomx variant for the gpu is been worked on. ETHASH+randomx(gpu). The coin is ready for launch, some hashpower has already been moved to the testnet. Premining... The shadow fork is done to protect the network from lame killn attacks.

The 11.8% who have locked their funds in Ethereum 2.0, will loose their coins in the new Ethereum.

So keep joining the 2.0 staking pool guys... More for us (The miners). An Ethereum without mr V, his supporters and other POS lovers.

Same same but different
Do you need a rig pointed to you for test mining.

I can do that if you want.

please note this is my alt account of philipma1957.

sp_
legendary
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Team Black developer
July 07, 2022, 09:37:25 AM
#95
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July 06, 2022, 10:56:10 PM
#94
how does that affect difficulty? from what I read it just postponed the difficulty bomb
The difficulty bomb already started exploding, so defusing it made the difficulty plummet to what it should have been if there were no bomb
full member
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July 06, 2022, 07:01:04 PM
#93
unrelated question: can someone explain the huge drop in ETH difficulty at the start of july? I know that profits are dwindling, but why such a sudden drop when it has been stable through may and june?

Gray glacier hard fork
how does that affect difficulty? from what I read it just postponed the difficulty bomb
legendary
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July 06, 2022, 10:34:15 AM
#92
Ethereum 2.0 will fork the network, and they have implemented a difficulty bomb which will end POW. With a small modification of the wallet code, ethereum will still be minable. Solominers, Pools and exchanges would need to update their wallets.
Another Ethereum Classic, another Team. I am a coin dev and a miner dev with 9 years of blockchain experience, and my team is strong. I have also previously announced that I will create a new coin here on bitcointalk.

We will end up with the POW fork "Ethereum", and the new POS fork "Ethereum 2.0"
Will you change the size of the DAG file so that mining is available for video cards with 3 GB of memory ?
Then more miners will join you, or will you not make changes to the size of the dag file?
Maybe then it’s better to change the algorithm a little so that powerful ASICs can’t mine a new coin?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitmain-antminer-e9-launching-july-6th-2022-2400m-1920w-125-mhwatt-5405339
It is not yet known how many ASICs mine Ethereum, but at low prices per coin, GPU miners will not be able to compete with ASICs.
newbie
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July 06, 2022, 10:05:20 AM
#91
unrelated question: can someone explain the huge drop in ETH difficulty at the start of july? I know that profits are dwindling, but why such a sudden drop when it has been stable through may and june?

Gray glacier hard fork
legendary
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July 06, 2022, 08:47:17 AM
#90
Ethereum 2.0 will fork the network, and they have implemented a difficulty bomb which will end POW. With a small modification of the wallet code, ethereum will still be minable. Solominers, Pools and exchanges would need to update their wallets.
Another Ethereum Classic, another Team. I am a coin dev and a miner dev with 9 years of blockchain experience, and my team is strong. I have also previously announced that I will create a new coin here on bitcointalk.

We will end up with the POW fork "Ethereum", and the new POS fork "Ethereum 2.0"
Will you change the size of the DAG file so that mining is available for video cards with 3 GB of memory ?
Then more miners will join you, or will you not make changes to the size of the dag file?
full member
Activity: 257
Merit: 116
July 06, 2022, 05:49:02 AM
#89
unrelated question: can someone explain the huge drop in ETH difficulty at the start of july? I know that profits are dwindling, but why such a sudden drop when it has been stable through may and june?
sp_
legendary
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Team Black developer
July 05, 2022, 10:59:28 PM
#88
If i recall well, Ripple was at one point number two in coinmarketcap surpassing Ethereum. Did that mean Ripple was better than Ethereum?
Where is Ripple right now?

You cannot judge a project based on the marketcap alone. In ripple 90% of the supply is owned by the creators. You could easily create a minable coin with 99.999% of the supply pre mined and owned by the devteam. 0.001% minable pow. No exchange would list this coin, but perhaps if you create your own exchange.. 1000 times inflated marketcap..

A million dollar coin will look like a billion dollar coin.

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