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Quote from: Ruhtilg on August 18, 2016, 03:36:19 AM

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The situation that I do not want to happen is what if the financial institutions and the government institutions come after not only Ethereum and their founders but all of the cryptosphere. They will attempt to control it and ban it that they will not allows us to take part in the world of cryptocurrencies because it is "illegal". Another question is will that stop you?

Maybe it is a good time to start learning about how to be more anonymous online.

Does it mean it is better not to have a foundation type of centralised controller? Then the development will be similar to bitcoin, very inefficient.

Yes it will be better. Look what happened to Ethereum because of this central controller. They did a sloppy hard fork which would not happen if the 'inefficient' governance structure of Bitcoin was in place.

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Quote from: Ruhtilg on August 18, 2016, 03:36:19 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 18, 2016, 03:08:39 AM

The situation that I do not want to happen is what if the financial institutions and the government institutions come after not only Ethereum and their founders but all of the cryptosphere. They will attempt to control it and ban it that they will not allows us to take part in the world of cryptocurrencies because it is "illegal". Another question is will that stop you?

Maybe it is a good time to start learning about how to be more anonymous online.

Does it mean it is better not to have a foundation type of centralised controller? Then the development will be similar to bitcoin, very inefficient.

The foundation formation is very efficient. But if there is anything wrong with the Foundation leadership, it is bad for the Ethereum.

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Quote from: dinofelis on August 18, 2016, 05:00:34 PM

Quote from: AlphaSun on August 18, 2016, 12:34:50 PM

So why there still bitcoin developers in the play?

Maybe they have a hard time leaving ?

Well one thing is developing, and another thing is promoting and selling or changing for the sake of change.

I agree that there is likely very little need for development with bitcoin, except to entertain the possibility of possible changes, tweaks with the passage of time... so for example, scaling will likely always be a bit of an issue... to not make too big and not allow to stay too small.

Also, if an improvement proposal is made, there is likely needs within a community to assess whether such a proposal is capable of achieving consensus, and certainly developers could be sufficiently familiar and articulate enough to assess possible technical issues.. so in the end, it seems quit logical that with an adequately programed coin, such as bitcoin, changes to the protocol would be extraordinary occurrences rather than something that took place on the regular.

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Quote from: AlphaSun on August 18, 2016, 12:34:50 PM

So why there still bitcoin developers in the play?

Maybe they have a hard time leaving ?

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Quote from: Ruhtilg on August 18, 2016, 03:36:19 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 18, 2016, 03:08:39 AM

The situation that I do not want to happen is what if the financial institutions and the government institutions come after not only Ethereum and their founders but all of the cryptosphere. They will attempt to control it and ban it that they will not allows us to take part in the world of cryptocurrencies because it is "illegal". Another question is will that stop you?

Maybe it is a good time to start learning about how to be more anonymous online.

Does it mean it is better not to have a foundation type of centralised controller? Then the development will be similar to bitcoin, very inefficient.

You seem to be suggesting that inefficiency is a bad thing for bitcoin.

You know there are a lot of balancing of attributes in this world, and efficiency is one of the balancing attributes. Bitcoin brings some things much greater to the table of currency - and efficiency is not one of them (at least not efficiency from a centralized point of view). If you want to achieve decentralization and immutability, then in order to achieve such paradigm shifting greatness, you likely have to be willing to give a little less priority to efficiency...

Let me give another example of efficiency... human emotions are not efficient, but if we want to allow humans to have some semblance of agency, then we need to allow some of those emotional inefficiencies .. there are other examples as well, but I think that I have said enough for now to largely attempt to make my point.

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Quote from: dinofelis on August 18, 2016, 05:35:13 AM

Quote from: Ruhtilg on August 18, 2016, 03:36:19 AM

Does it mean it is better not to have a foundation type of centralised controller? Then the development will be similar to bitcoin, very inefficient.

And that's exactly what it should be. Once the protocol is correctly coded, there's actually almost no need for "development".
Once the rules of the chess game were laid out, there's no need for "development". You play chess the same way one played it 100 years ago.

So why there still bitcoin developers in the play? I think the protocol can also be developed after many years later.

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Quote from: Ruhtilg on August 18, 2016, 03:36:19 AM

Does it mean it is better not to have a foundation type of centralised controller? Then the development will be similar to bitcoin, very inefficient.

And that's exactly what it should be. Once the protocol is correctly coded, there's actually almost no need for "development".
Once the rules of the chess game were laid out, there's no need for "development". You play chess the same way one played it 100 years ago.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 18, 2016, 03:08:39 AM

The situation that I do not want to happen is what if the financial institutions and the government institutions come after not only Ethereum and their founders but all of the cryptosphere. They will attempt to control it and ban it that they will not allows us to take part in the world of cryptocurrencies because it is "illegal". Another question is will that stop you?

Maybe it is a good time to start learning about how to be more anonymous online.

Does it mean it is better not to have a foundation type of centralised controller? Then the development will be similar to bitcoin, very inefficient.

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The situation that I do not want to happen is what if the financial institutions and the government institutions come after not only Ethereum and their founders but all of the cryptosphere. They will attempt to control it and ban it that they will not allows us to take part in the world of cryptocurrencies because it is "illegal". Another question is will that stop you?

Maybe it is a good time to start learning about how to be more anonymous online.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 17, 2016, 03:35:17 PM

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Quote from: Minecache on August 17, 2016, 10:31:09 AM

How the fuck can a coin based purely on greed and theft be better than ETH?!? That's correct, it isn't.

You stupid fuck. Figure out the words immutably and fugibility.

ETH is the coin based on greed and theft. Get it right.

It seems crazy when folks attempt to characterize ETC as being based on greed and theft, when in fact ETC seemed to be an attempt to temper the level of greed and theft occurring within ETH, especially in the most recent days.

Neither ETH nor ETC are great coins, but at least ETC had attempted to make a better effort to modify ETH in such a way to make it closer to bitcoin (at least in the decentralized and immutability direction), which almost makes ETC an honorable approach that is attempting to fix a bad foundation.

It is the other way around. ETH is based on greed and part of the Ethereum foundation and slock.it are thieves. They have shown a propensity that they are capable of such criminal acts. White collar crimes, yes but still the criminal intent is there.

So Minecache, if ETH is hacked again with millions stolen and Vitalik again decides to fork will ETH be a criminal coin now?

I think that I am saying very similar things to you, and I am in agreement that ETH has many greater problems with various attempts at intermeddling - and sooner or later they are going to fuck up too much and get some attention... I would not put it passed government institutions and financial institutions attempting to enable Ethereum in its various centralization intermeddling.. but sooner or later, they are going to have to snuff them out because too many people are getting screwed by some of the internally conflicting attempts to contain complicated outcomes, while playing with people's money.

To the extent that ETC can decentralize Ethereum, wow, ETC may become the savior of the shitty coin(s) situation.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 17, 2016, 03:35:17 PM

Quote from: crypto jerk on August 17, 2016, 11:48:29 AM

Quote from: Minecache on August 17, 2016, 10:31:09 AM

How the fuck can a coin based purely on greed and theft be better than ETH?!? That's correct, it isn't.

You stupid fuck. Figure out the words immutably and fugibility.

ETH is the coin based on greed and theft. Get it right.

It seems crazy when folks attempt to characterize ETC as being based on greed and theft, when in fact ETC seemed to be an attempt to temper the level of greed and theft occurring within ETH, especially in the most recent days.

Neither ETH nor ETC are great coins, but at least ETC had attempted to make a better effort to modify ETH in such a way to make it closer to bitcoin (at least in the decentralized and immutability direction), which almost makes ETC an honorable approach that is attempting to fix a bad foundation.

It is the other way around. ETH is based on greed and part of the Ethereum foundation and slock.it are thieves. They have shown a propensity that they are capable of such criminal acts. White collar crimes, yes but still the criminal intent is there.

So Minecache, if ETH is hacked again with millions stolen and Vitalik again decides to fork will ETH be a criminal coin now?

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Quote from: crypto jerk on August 17, 2016, 11:48:29 AM

Quote from: Minecache on August 17, 2016, 10:31:09 AM

How the fuck can a coin based purely on greed and theft be better than ETH?!? That's correct, it isn't.

You stupid fuck. Figure out the words immutably and fugibility.

ETH is the coin based on greed and theft. Get it right.

It seems crazy when folks attempt to characterize ETC as being based on greed and theft, when in fact ETC seemed to be an attempt to temper the level of greed and theft occurring within ETH, especially in the most recent days.

Neither ETH nor ETC are great coins, but at least ETC had attempted to make a better effort to modify ETH in such a way to make it closer to bitcoin (at least in the decentralized and immutability direction), which almost makes ETC an honorable approach that is attempting to fix a bad foundation.

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Quote from: Minecache on August 17, 2016, 10:31:09 AM

How the fuck can a coin based purely on greed and theft be better than ETH?!? That's correct, it isn't.

You stupid fuck. Figure out the words immutably and fugibility.

ETH is the coin based on greed and theft. Get it right.

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