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June 24, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
Is there a specification for Eth Stratum v2? Currently my SGMiner port only works with getwork, and it does NOT work well at low diff.

Try DonkeyPool - min diff is 1.5 Bill and fluctuates so all miners share submit average is equal to the average ETH blocktime.
That's what stratum is suppose to do, right?

There are now (3) stratum options (thanks to NiceHash).
They each have differing opinions on how to deliver getWork from the wallet without polling a websocket.

DonkeyPool supports the Coinotron spec, which makes the most sense.
Why use a proxy? all miners now support some type of stratum.

DonkeyPool still has getWork support, but only until June 30.
Then it's all stratum(ish) support.

DonkeyPool getwork string would be address: / workername / hashrate integer value

eg
www.donkeypool.com/0xaaaadddreeesss/worker/10


No, Stratum is a lot better, which is why I'd rather SGMiner use it than getwork. But fucking NiceHash had to reinvent the wheel (again) - are there actual specs for any of these stratum versions? Specifically 2 and 3?

Stratum is marginally better - for pools.
It's easier to administrate - but keeping a socket open has essentially the same footprint as 2 requests to nginx per second, per miner.
There is no spec, only code.
NiceHash's document is outdated and I haven't found it to be accurate.
Maybe they just haven't updated.



Not just better for pools - you can find two shares in a row, and submit both with Stratum. With shitty Eth getwork, it forces new work every submit.

Not true with DonkeyPool.
Nnginx sits between the wallet and proxies eth_submitWork.

The getWork params only change when there's a blockchange, as it should be.


True with others, at least.
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June 27, 2016, 06:01:40 PM
Nvidia GTX 980

Driver 368.39

Windows 10 64 bit HOME

ethminer-0.9.41-genoil-1.1.6-pre

.bat : ethminer -U -ES -S daggerhashimoto.eu.nicehash.com:3353 -O  My Address BTC --cuda-grid-size 8192 --cuda-block-size 128

4.50 mh/s .

Dont work correctly .



It's Windows' fault. Run it on Linux on the same system (or Win 8.1 , 7) and you will get 20MH.

LOL - I don't know if it's true - but my 980ti does indeed outperform Windows 7 on Ubuntu.
Oddly enough, I do actually own a Win7 ultimate license - I take "liberty" moving the OS around mainly for testing.
Seems like I got around 25 with the 980ti using Ubuntu, sound about right?

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June 27, 2016, 03:55:29 PM
Nvidia GTX 980

Driver 368.39

Windows 10 64 bit HOME

ethminer-0.9.41-genoil-1.1.6-pre

.bat : ethminer -U -ES -S daggerhashimoto.eu.nicehash.com:3353 -O  My Address BTC --cuda-grid-size 8192 --cuda-block-size 128

4.50 mh/s .

Dont work correctly .



It's Windows' fault. Run it on Linux on the same system (or Win 8.1 , 7) and you will get 20MH.
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June 24, 2016, 01:00:32 PM
Is there a specification for Eth Stratum v2? Currently my SGMiner port only works with getwork, and it does NOT work well at low diff.

Try DonkeyPool - min diff is 1.5 Bill and fluctuates so all miners share submit average is equal to the average ETH blocktime.
That's what stratum is suppose to do, right?

There are now (3) stratum options (thanks to NiceHash).
They each have differing opinions on how to deliver getWork from the wallet without polling a websocket.

DonkeyPool supports the Coinotron spec, which makes the most sense.
Why use a proxy? all miners now support some type of stratum.

DonkeyPool still has getWork support, but only until June 30.
Then it's all stratum(ish) support.

DonkeyPool getwork string would be address: / workername / hashrate integer value

eg
www.donkeypool.com/0xaaaadddreeesss/worker/10


No, Stratum is a lot better, which is why I'd rather SGMiner use it than getwork. But fucking NiceHash had to reinvent the wheel (again) - are there actual specs for any of these stratum versions? Specifically 2 and 3?

Stratum is marginally better - for pools.
It's easier to administrate - but keeping a socket open has essentially the same footprint as 2 requests to nginx per second, per miner.
There is no spec, only code.
NiceHash's document is outdated and I haven't found it to be accurate.
Maybe they just haven't updated.



Not just better for pools - you can find two shares in a row, and submit both with Stratum. With shitty Eth getwork, it forces new work every submit.
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June 27, 2016, 03:38:54 PM
Nvidia GTX 980

Driver 368.39

Windows 10 64 bit HOME

ethminer-0.9.41-genoil-1.1.6-pre

.bat : ethminer -U -ES -S daggerhashimoto.eu.nicehash.com:3353 -O  My Address BTC --cuda-grid-size 8192 --cuda-block-size 128

4.50 mh/s .

Dont work correctly .

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June 27, 2016, 12:05:50 PM
What is the fix for nvidia 1080 on windows 7 64bit? I am getting .75MH/s, lol.

The fix is don't use Windoze.

Considering how much a handful of you kids kick and scream when stuff isn't released for Nix... I'm not to certain about that. Sorry that you have to witness a bug on Windows which pretty much everyone uses.

And no, using nix isn't a 'fix', just like reinstalling everytime something is broken isn't a fix either.

then stop crying and port the windows miner to actually drivers and hardware !

Linux is the better plattform for mining !
1. could be installed in headless mode, so that there isn't used any GPU Power for anything else then mining
2. more stable to use
3. free to use without any license costs
4. fully control over the hole system



Crying? You sir are crying about people using Win'doze'. Ethminer works natively in Windows. You should've seen people freaking out about SP asking people to run his miner in wine... even though it gets the same performance it would otherwise.

1. I run all my windows machines in headless mode.
2. It's not any more stable then a properly running Windows machine.
3. Time is money and having to google each and every variable because in order to do anything in Nix you have to know exactly the right command to use is a huge waste of time and money. I'm not going to employ someone to run a OS either. There is a reason Nix is relegated to doing background infrastructure where they actually employ people to use it.
3a. A lot of software isn't even made for nix. OCing is a huge PITA in nix in addition to monitoring the hardware outside of custom built packages that you just install and use, but have relatively little way of changing outside of programming the OS yourself (another huge waste of time and money).
4. To do what that I can't do right now? Recompile kernel and waste a bunch of time? Nix is a hobby OS or it's something you do as a job, it's not designed for the majority of people.


Don't push your elitist snob attitude while shoveling 'nix is better' crap. That's like people saying you don't get viruses on nix either... just like with Macs.  Nix is a waste of time and resources for the majority of people, which is why almost everyone who is mining is running WinDoze. If it was outright better people would switch.

Believe it or not, some people have used WinDoze and Nix... and can make informed opinions on the matter.

Good points. Glad it works for you.
If you have the money to actually BUY the OS, great.
I'm guessing most don't actually BUY copies of Windows, so there's that.

If you don't want to waste ~$100 for each machine, use the OS 99.9% of cryptocurrency's are developed ON and FOR.
Ethereum is no different. Windows support is an afterthought the the developers.

The complaint that Linux is harder to use or understand depends on the desire to learn.

Also, why do see TONS of Windows questions and very few Linux questions?
Is it maybe that the answers are more available to Linux users?
Just a thought...


Time is still money, downtime is also money. If you can't fix a machine when it breaks because you have to spend uptine hours googling around for answers you're wasting mining time. It makes it all the worse when you have to take to forums, which if you're lucky you'll receive a condescending snotty answer within 24 hours... If you're unlucky... 24-72 and they wont give you a answer, they'll try to 'lead you to the answer' by dragging you through the mud and making you feel bad for being a no good muggle that has used Windows in the past, all the while talking about how superior Nix is which is currently broken for you and you're trying really fucking hard to fix. And then if you're lucky, maybe in 2-3 iterations of that (a week) they'll finally give you a one line answer (usually a command line sequence) which does everything you were looking for.

(Notice the responses and tone in this thread to people trying to fix WinDoze problems by Nix users? Yeah, now imagine trying to deal with people like that to fix problems with Nix while time and money are on the line.)

Linux is definitely 10,000% harder to use. 'Desire to learn' has nothing to do with usability and everything to do with being able to accomplish what you're trying to do in some sort of meaningful time frame. There is a reason there is a job in the market that caters to people that administrate Nix machines.

"Also, why do see TONS of Windows questions and very few Linux questions?"

Almost no one mines with Nix and the few that do are using prebuilt installs that someone else made, which they themselves can't fix and instead reinstall whenever something breaks.

Or we could go back to my first paragraph about people generally looking down upon anyone who wants to actually figure out how to make the OS work when it's broken... wonder if that hampers peoples desire to learn or use a OS.

I've used Nix. It's a PITA. IT's great for tiny niches it fulfills that makes the internet and backbone infrastructure run, but in this case there is no point in using it. This is also why a 'Steam Machine' will never take off. No one tried to make Nix as user friendly as WinDoze, they've only thrown shiny new UIs on top of it which are still next to worthless if everything isn't working properly.

There is definitely a market for a user friendly Nix OS that mimics the usability of WinDoze... meaning when something breaks, you can fix 99.999% of advanced problems with the UI and you never touch the CLI (blasphemy I know). But it will never happen because Nix users are so obsessed with their 'knowledge' of their OS they can never contemplate making that knowledge readily available for the plebeians that want to use their OS (who are obviously filthy WinDoze users).

Think how often you touch CLI when fixing a WinDoze problem. Yes, just like that.

This isn't even touching on compatibility, performance, and applications that aren't available for Nix.

When you put this all into context, regardless of whether or not you spend $100 per machine for WinDoze it's obviously well worth the money compared to the alternative. I'm too old to deal with know it all fuck twats that have no real interest in helping you fix shit and just want to make themselves feel good about using a OS almost no one gives a shit about and those that do are usually paid to do so. They're a waste of my time, my energy, and my money.

Ok, most of this is incoherent, angry drivel - I'll leave you to it.

If you ever decide you'd like to test and compare an Ubuntu install, there are a few detailed posts on how to build Genoil's EXCELLENT work using Ubuntu.
Also, I'd be glad to offer some advice on issues you may encounter - without a grumpy disposition or "time is money" attitude.

I've been told by wiser more agreeable people that time isn't actually money, knowledge/experience is.
I tend to agree.
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June 24, 2016, 12:51:46 PM
Is there a specification for Eth Stratum v2? Currently my SGMiner port only works with getwork, and it does NOT work well at low diff.

Try DonkeyPool - min diff is 1.5 Bill and fluctuates so all miners share submit average is equal to the average ETH blocktime.
That's what stratum is suppose to do, right?

There are now (3) stratum options (thanks to NiceHash).
They each have differing opinions on how to deliver getWork from the wallet without polling a websocket.

DonkeyPool supports the Coinotron spec, which makes the most sense.
Why use a proxy? all miners now support some type of stratum.

DonkeyPool still has getWork support, but only until June 30.
Then it's all stratum(ish) support.

DonkeyPool getwork string would be address: / workername / hashrate integer value

eg
www.donkeypool.com/0xaaaadddreeesss/worker/10


No, Stratum is a lot better, which is why I'd rather SGMiner use it than getwork. But fucking NiceHash had to reinvent the wheel (again) - are there actual specs for any of these stratum versions? Specifically 2 and 3?
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June 27, 2016, 11:55:13 AM
Quote from: davembg
If you don't want to waste ~$100 for each machine, use the OS 99.9% of cryptocurrency's are developed ON and FOR.
Ethereum is no different. Windows support is an afterthought the the developers.

I'm not really following this whole argument, but your statement stuck out to me so I wanted to respond to it.

At least as far as mining goes, what OS the development of the cryprocurrency was done on is pretty irrelevant.  If we're talking about GPUs, then what's relevant is the driver that most efficiently shuffles the data back and forth from the GPU and commands (drives) the GPU.  These GPUs were designed mostly with gaming in mind and for a long time, windows as a platform massively outweighed any other OS in terms of user base.  So naturally the GPU manufacturers put most of their development effort into the Windows platform.  As a result, the Windows drivers were more mature and seemed to perform better for most people.  Lately that's changing as Linux and other OSs become more popular, but I just wanted to point out that what OS the Ethereum devs use(d) is pretty irrelevant here.

The underlying libs for OS communication are most likely UEFI-based. Not really OS independent, but, they are meant to be.
Windows and Linux drivers are abstractions, of which I assume you are aware.
It really doesn't matter how efficient the Window's driver is, it will always be an abstraction of the kernel/UEFI routines exposed to the OS.
The real issue is the kernel, not the drivers.

The current state of Linux AMD/Nvidia drivers work just as well as, if not better than it's Windows counterparts.
There is also the added benefit of a much smaller memory and disk footprint; thus, increasing the efficiency and reliability, and reducing the cost of the host machine.

Every coin I've ever mined with a GPU has been significantly faster and more reliable using some form of Linux (vs Windows)
Some will say it's because I don't know how to use Windows properly; well, vice-versa.
I get the same or arguably BETTER mining results using an OS I don't have to pay for (or steal)

My point is still valid in the fact(s) that the cost-benefit is FAR greater when using Linux to mine Ethereum, as well as some other cryptos.
By supporting Linux and it's variants, I feel a little better not having to buy the Window OS for my miner instances.
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June 24, 2016, 12:34:46 PM
Is there a specification for Eth Stratum v2? Currently my SGMiner port only works with getwork, and it does NOT work well at low diff.
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June 27, 2016, 09:06:12 AM
What is the fix for nvidia 1080 on windows 7 64bit? I am getting .75MH/s, lol.

The fix is don't use Windoze.

Considering how much a handful of you kids kick and scream when stuff isn't released for Nix... I'm not to certain about that. Sorry that you have to witness a bug on Windows which pretty much everyone uses.

And no, using nix isn't a 'fix', just like reinstalling everytime something is broken isn't a fix either.

then stop crying and port the windows miner to actually drivers and hardware !

Linux is the better plattform for mining !
1. could be installed in headless mode, so that there isn't used any GPU Power for anything else then mining
2. more stable to use
3. free to use without any license costs
4. fully control over the hole system



Crying? You sir are crying about people using Win'doze'. Ethminer works natively in Windows. You should've seen people freaking out about SP asking people to run his miner in wine... even though it gets the same performance it would otherwise.

1. I run all my windows machines in headless mode.
2. It's not any more stable then a properly running Windows machine.
3. Time is money and having to google each and every variable because in order to do anything in Nix you have to know exactly the right command to use is a huge waste of time and money. I'm not going to employ someone to run a OS either. There is a reason Nix is relegated to doing background infrastructure where they actually employ people to use it.
3a. A lot of software isn't even made for nix. OCing is a huge PITA in nix in addition to monitoring the hardware outside of custom built packages that you just install and use, but have relatively little way of changing outside of programming the OS yourself (another huge waste of time and money).
4. To do what that I can't do right now? Recompile kernel and waste a bunch of time? Nix is a hobby OS or it's something you do as a job, it's not designed for the majority of people.


Don't push your elitist snob attitude while shoveling 'nix is better' crap. That's like people saying you don't get viruses on nix either... just like with Macs.  Nix is a waste of time and resources for the majority of people, which is why almost everyone who is mining is running WinDoze. If it was outright better people would switch.

Believe it or not, some people have used WinDoze and Nix... and can make informed opinions on the matter.

Good points. Glad it works for you.
If you have the money to actually BUY the OS, great.
I'm guessing most don't actually BUY copies of Windows, so there's that.

If you don't want to waste ~$100 for each machine, use the OS 99.9% of cryptocurrency's are developed ON and FOR.
Ethereum is no different. Windows support is an afterthought the the developers.

The complaint that Linux is harder to use or understand depends on the desire to learn.

Also, why do see TONS of Windows questions and very few Linux questions?
Is it maybe that the answers are more available to Linux users?
Just a thought...


Time is still money, downtime is also money. If you can't fix a machine when it breaks because you have to spend uptine hours googling around for answers you're wasting mining time. It makes it all the worse when you have to take to forums, which if you're lucky you'll receive a condescending snotty answer within 24 hours... If you're unlucky... 24-72 and they wont give you a answer, they'll try to 'lead you to the answer' by dragging you through the mud and making you feel bad for being a no good muggle that has used Windows in the past, all the while talking about how superior Nix is which is currently broken for you and you're trying really fucking hard to fix. And then if you're lucky, maybe in 2-3 iterations of that (a week) they'll finally give you a one line answer (usually a command line sequence) which does everything you were looking for.

(Notice the responses and tone in this thread to people trying to fix WinDoze problems by Nix users? Yeah, now imagine trying to deal with people like that to fix problems with Nix while time and money are on the line.)

Linux is definitely 10,000% harder to use. 'Desire to learn' has nothing to do with usability and everything to do with being able to accomplish what you're trying to do in some sort of meaningful time frame. There is a reason there is a job in the market that caters to people that administrate Nix machines.

"Also, why do see TONS of Windows questions and very few Linux questions?"

Almost no one mines with Nix and the few that do are using prebuilt installs that someone else made, which they themselves can't fix and instead reinstall whenever something breaks.

Or we could go back to my first paragraph about people generally looking down upon anyone who wants to actually figure out how to make the OS work when it's broken... wonder if that hampers peoples desire to learn or use a OS.

I've used Nix. It's a PITA. IT's great for tiny niches it fulfills that makes the internet and backbone infrastructure run, but in this case there is no point in using it. This is also why a 'Steam Machine' will never take off. No one tried to make Nix as user friendly as WinDoze, they've only thrown shiny new UIs on top of it which are still next to worthless if everything isn't working properly.

There is definitely a market for a user friendly Nix OS that mimics the usability of WinDoze... meaning when something breaks, you can fix 99.999% of advanced problems with the UI and you never touch the CLI (blasphemy I know). But it will never happen because Nix users are so obsessed with their 'knowledge' of their OS they can never contemplate making that knowledge readily available for the plebeians that want to use their OS (who are obviously filthy WinDoze users).

Think how often you touch CLI when fixing a WinDoze problem. Yes, just like that.

This isn't even touching on compatibility, performance, and applications that aren't available for Nix.

When you put this all into context, regardless of whether or not you spend $100 per machine for WinDoze it's obviously well worth the money compared to the alternative. I'm too old to deal with know it all fuck twats that have no real interest in helping you fix shit and just want to make themselves feel good about using a OS almost no one gives a shit about and those that do are usually paid to do so. They're a waste of my time, my energy, and my money.
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June 27, 2016, 08:56:23 AM
Quote from: davembg
If you don't want to waste ~$100 for each machine, use the OS 99.9% of cryptocurrency's are developed ON and FOR.
Ethereum is no different. Windows support is an afterthought the the developers.

I'm not really following this whole argument, but your statement stuck out to me so I wanted to respond to it.

At least as far as mining goes, what OS the development of the cryprocurrency was done on is pretty irrelevant.  If we're talking about GPUs, then what's relevant is the driver that most efficiently shuffles the data back and forth from the GPU and commands (drives) the GPU.  These GPUs were designed mostly with gaming in mind and for a long time, windows as a platform massively outweighed any other OS in terms of user base.  So naturally the GPU manufacturers put most of their development effort into the Windows platform.  As a result, the Windows drivers were more mature and seemed to perform better for most people.  Lately that's changing as Linux and other OSs become more popular, but I just wanted to point out that what OS the Ethereum devs use(d) is pretty irrelevant here.
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June 26, 2016, 08:45:41 PM
What is the fix for nvidia 1080 on windows 7 64bit? I am getting .75MH/s, lol.

The fix is don't use Windoze.

Considering how much a handful of you kids kick and scream when stuff isn't released for Nix... I'm not to certain about that. Sorry that you have to witness a bug on Windows which pretty much everyone uses.

And no, using nix isn't a 'fix', just like reinstalling everytime something is broken isn't a fix either.

then stop crying and port the windows miner to actually drivers and hardware !

Linux is the better plattform for mining !
1. could be installed in headless mode, so that there isn't used any GPU Power for anything else then mining
2. more stable to use
3. free to use without any license costs
4. fully control over the hole system



Crying? You sir are crying about people using Win'doze'. Ethminer works natively in Windows. You should've seen people freaking out about SP asking people to run his miner in wine... even though it gets the same performance it would otherwise.

1. I run all my windows machines in headless mode.
2. It's not any more stable then a properly running Windows machine.
3. Time is money and having to google each and every variable because in order to do anything in Nix you have to know exactly the right command to use is a huge waste of time and money. I'm not going to employ someone to run a OS either. There is a reason Nix is relegated to doing background infrastructure where they actually employ people to use it.
3a. A lot of software isn't even made for nix. OCing is a huge PITA in nix in addition to monitoring the hardware outside of custom built packages that you just install and use, but have relatively little way of changing outside of programming the OS yourself (another huge waste of time and money).
4. To do what that I can't do right now? Recompile kernel and waste a bunch of time? Nix is a hobby OS or it's something you do as a job, it's not designed for the majority of people.


Don't push your elitist snob attitude while shoveling 'nix is better' crap. That's like people saying you don't get viruses on nix either... just like with Macs.  Nix is a waste of time and resources for the majority of people, which is why almost everyone who is mining is running WinDoze. If it was outright better people would switch.

Believe it or not, some people have used WinDoze and Nix... and can make informed opinions on the matter.

Good points. Glad it works for you.
If you have the money to actually BUY the OS, great.
I'm guessing most don't actually BUY copies of Windows, so there's that.

If you don't want to waste ~$100 for each machine, use the OS 99.9% of cryptocurrency's are developed ON and FOR.
Ethereum is no different. Windows support is an afterthought the the developers.

The complaint that Linux is harder to use or understand depends on the desire to learn.

Also, why do see TONS of Windows questions and very few Linux questions?
Is it maybe that the answers are more available to Linux users?
Just a thought...
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June 26, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
i missed it in all these whining, but what is the best setup for multiple gpu? i'm using the -L single 0 because otherwise i'm experiencing a crash when leaving on default...

-L single 0 is the fastest but requires more system RAM than the others.
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June 26, 2016, 10:56:25 AM
i missed it in all these whining, but what is the best setup for multiple gpu? i'm using the -L single 0 because otherwise i'm experiencing a crash when leaving on default...
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June 26, 2016, 05:12:48 AM

Thank you for a well informed and informational post.

Does that mean developers need to tweak some stuff for it to work in W7/8?

Epsolyn does some work on CCminer, he might be interested. SP as well, but he is 'retired'.

Check: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ccminer-23-opensource-gpl-tpruvot-770064

Also not sure how much this will influence Lyra2v2, but check Nanashi's thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ccminer-176-r10-fork-with-faster-neoscrypt-lyra2re-and-lyra2rev2-1519266

Yes, devs need to modify the way algo access memory to improve things on memory dependent algos (eth and neoscrypt to my knowledge)
Pascal is 4k pte by default in win 7/8 (where maxwell is 128kb) but can be 2m pte (full memory coverage)
On win 10 current - pascal and maxwell on new drivers are 64kb but pascal will be 2m by default with next driver AND win 10 insider preview and further win 10 july update (which didnt help neoscrypt for some reason - i think i saw 900khs but couldnt repro it - maybe I missed some build or setting i was using)

Hmmm... wonder how much this will influence memory hard algos. I assume this will only bring them up to par and not improve their performance (pretty much every GPU is memory locked in Ethereum, where as not so much in NeoS). Importantly for a lot of people this should fix performance issues with 750ti in Windows?

The fix unfortunately doesn't apply to Maxwell
legendary
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June 26, 2016, 02:59:07 AM

Thank you for a well informed and informational post.

Does that mean developers need to tweak some stuff for it to work in W7/8?

Epsolyn does some work on CCminer, he might be interested. SP as well, but he is 'retired'.

Check: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ccminer-23-opensource-gpl-tpruvot-770064

Also not sure how much this will influence Lyra2v2, but check Nanashi's thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ccminer-176-r10-fork-with-faster-neoscrypt-lyra2re-and-lyra2rev2-1519266

Yes, devs need to modify the way algo access memory to improve things on memory dependent algos (eth and neoscrypt to my knowledge)
Pascal is 4k pte by default in win 7/8 (where maxwell is 128kb) but can be 2m pte (full memory coverage)
On win 10 current - pascal and maxwell on new drivers are 64kb but pascal will be 2m by default with next driver AND win 10 insider preview and further win 10 july update (which didnt help neoscrypt for some reason - i think i saw 900khs but couldnt repro it - maybe I missed some build or setting i was using)

Hmmm... wonder how much this will influence memory hard algos. I assume this will only bring them up to par and not improve their performance (pretty much every GPU is memory locked in Ethereum, where as not so much in NeoS). Importantly for a lot of people this should fix performance issues with 750ti in Windows?
legendary
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June 26, 2016, 01:50:19 AM
What is the fix for nvidia 1080 on windows 7 64bit? I am getting .75MH/s, lol.

The fix is don't use Windoze.
Brilliant! This is my main PC and gaming rig. I'm going to be using windows.

use windows , but use windows 10, there may be a fix already

also linux you need to use the server version not desktop, it give you more perf...
Will just upgrading to windows 10 make it work? Or what exactly is the "fix already"? Dload links for drivers/fix?

Amph doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't have a 1070 or any proof that anything works the way he's saying or it will be fixed.

I know from a reliable source that a driver update will increase page size to 2MB on Win10 and this will fix the issue, just like it works on Linux. It is on the way.

So someone has already tested this and it works? Will there be a update for W7/8 or are they SOL? Does this also pertain to other memory hard algos, such as NeoS?

WHY on earth you don't try it yourself, you have a 1070, you just need to install windows 10 to see if it fix neos also, it's in your interest to do it...

win 7 and 8 are most likely fucked, but all the other algo should work good on win 10 too, so no reason to live in the past

Why would I spend hours doing that when I can ask a question, see if anyone has any idea, and then weigh and balance what to do after it?

Think before you leap instead of leap before you think. People do other things other then mine and/or there are other things to do besides prototyping.

As I mentioned before, I REVERTED from W10 to W8.1 because of better hashrates on W7/8. It has nothing to do with living in the past and everything to do with making smart decisions.

Why do you even talk?

it's just about not being lazy man, and few hours? are you serious, i can reformat win 7,8,10 in few minutes and "reinstall" everything in another 5 min, since you don't have anything to install just unpack the miner and you are ready

i have everything ready under a big zip file...


Thank you for a well informed and informational post.

Does that mean developers need to tweak some stuff for it to work in W7/8?

Epsolyn does some work on CCminer, he might be interested. SP as well, but he is 'retired'.

Check: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ccminer-23-opensource-gpl-tpruvot-770064

Also not sure how much this will influence Lyra2v2, but check Nanashi's thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ccminer-176-r10-fork-with-faster-neoscrypt-lyra2re-and-lyra2rev2-1519266

Yes, devs need to modify the way algo access memory to improve things on memory dependent algos (eth and neoscrypt to my knowledge)
Pascal is 4k pte by default in win 7/8 (where maxwell is 128kb) but can be 2m pte (full memory coverage)
On win 10 current - pascal and maxwell on new drivers are 64kb but pascal will be 2m by default with next driver AND win 10 insider preview and further win 10 july update (which didnt help neoscrypt for some reason - i think i saw 900khs but couldnt repro it - maybe I missed some build or setting i was using)

it's strange that neos is not doing good, (even 900 isn't great) when on linx is already 1150, if that fix resolve the thing for etheruem it should solve neos also

something wrong there, not sure if it has to do with the miner code either, because on linx it just work out of the box
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Thank you for a well informed and informational post.

Does that mean developers need to tweak some stuff for it to work in W7/8?

Epsolyn does some work on CCminer, he might be interested. SP as well, but he is 'retired'.

Check: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ccminer-23-opensource-gpl-tpruvot-770064

Also not sure how much this will influence Lyra2v2, but check Nanashi's thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ccminer-176-r10-fork-with-faster-neoscrypt-lyra2re-and-lyra2rev2-1519266

Yes, devs need to modify the way algo access memory to improve things on memory dependent algos (eth and neoscrypt to my knowledge)
Pascal is 4k pte by default in win 7/8 (where maxwell is 128kb) but can be 2m pte (full memory coverage)
On win 10 current - pascal and maxwell on new drivers are 64kb but pascal will be 2m by default with next driver AND win 10 insider preview and further win 10 july update (which didnt help neoscrypt for some reason - i think i saw 900khs but couldnt repro it - maybe I missed some build or setting i was using)
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What is the fix for nvidia 1080 on windows 7 64bit? I am getting .75MH/s, lol.

The fix is don't use Windoze.
Brilliant! This is my main PC and gaming rig. I'm going to be using windows.

use windows , but use windows 10, there may be a fix already

also linux you need to use the server version not desktop, it give you more perf...
Will just upgrading to windows 10 make it work? Or what exactly is the "fix already"? Dload links for drivers/fix?

Amph doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't have a 1070 or any proof that anything works the way he's saying or it will be fixed.

I know from a reliable source that a driver update will increase page size to 2MB on Win10 and this will fix the issue, just like it works on Linux. It is on the way.

So someone has already tested this and it works? Will there be a update for W7/8 or are they SOL? Does this also pertain to other memory hard algos, such as NeoS?

WHY on earth you don't try it yourself, you have a 1070, you just need to install windows 10 to see if it fix neos also, it's in your interest to do it...

win 7 and 8 are most likely fucked, but all the other algo should work good on win 10 too, so no reason to live in the past

Why would I spend hours doing that when I can ask a question, see if anyone has any idea, and then weigh and balance what to do after it?

Think before you leap instead of leap before you think. People do other things other then mine and/or there are other things to do besides prototyping.

As I mentioned before, I REVERTED from W10 to W8.1 because of better hashrates on W7/8. It has nothing to do with living in the past and everything to do with making smart decisions.

Why do you even talk?

Good news everyone - the driver for both Win 78/Win 10 insider preview should be available next week - on this driver all Pascal GPUs are able to do the same as on Linux on ether in Win 10 Insider preview without any change
But with Win 7/8 and other algos for win 10 insider preview devs need to take action
If any devs are interested in details PM me - Genoil is informed, it would be nice to fix neoscrypt - if anyone is up to the task - welcome

Thank you for a well informed and informational post.

Does that mean developers need to tweak some stuff for it to work in W7/8?

Epsolyn does some work on CCminer, he might be interested. SP as well, but he is 'retired'.

Check: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ccminer-23-opensource-gpl-tpruvot-770064

Also not sure how much this will influence Lyra2v2, but check Nanashi's thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ccminer-176-r10-fork-with-faster-neoscrypt-lyra2re-and-lyra2rev2-1519266
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June 25, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
Good news everyone - the driver for both Win 78/Win 10 insider preview should be available next week - on this driver all Pascal GPUs are able to do the same as on Linux on ether in Win 10 Insider preview without any change
But with Win 7/8 and other algos for win 10 insider preview devs need to take action
If any devs are interested in details PM me - Genoil is informed, it would be nice to fix neoscrypt - if anyone is up to the task - welcome
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