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August 17, 2017, 11:17:24 PM
#48
ICOs should be either regulated and bounded to follow some rules to protect investors or should be forbidden.
There is no way that you can invest into something which offers no investor protection.
Greedy investors are unable to comprehend what risk they've agreed to by trusting their money to ICO managers.
There is rarely any innovation these days and certainly no decentralization.
There are going to be some attempts like what the SEC is doing at the moment but that is not going to stop ICOs, there is simply too much money to be made for the developers and they are not going to stop creating new projects as long as people are willing to invest in those projects without any kind of protection, if people required all of those protections we are talking they will not invest in ICOs on the first place.

I hope, that after SONM, EOS and BNT, some participants will have learnt their lessons: Looking at the price x nb tokens and get the MCap of the project beofre investing.
Imho, the recipe for an ICO, based on the amount of cash needed for development and the expected returns is:

- raising between $2M and $10M maximum, CAPPED amount.
- ensuring a fair token distribution, with multiple rounds (avoid the IGNIS drama), over couple weeks.
- making sure that it brings your Market cap not more than $20M to $50M. (that leaves a x2 potential with some announcements, community drive, and product releases before arriving on exchanges, and leaves room for a x10 to x100 if the company becomes a global hit)


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August 17, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
#47
ICOs should be either regulated and bounded to follow some rules to protect investors or should be forbidden.
There is no way that you can invest into something which offers no investor protection.
Greedy investors are unable to comprehend what risk they've agreed to by trusting their money to ICO managers.
There is rarely any innovation these days and certainly no decentralization.
There are going to be some attempts like what the SEC is doing at the moment but that is not going to stop ICOs, there is simply too much money to be made for the developers and they are not going to stop creating new projects as long as people are willing to invest in those projects without any kind of protection, if people required all of those protections we are talking they will not invest in ICOs on the first place.
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August 17, 2017, 07:02:23 PM
#46
The ICO is working only because speculators are supporting the market, once fundamental kicks in and people networth gets wiped out is when things start to realize

When that time come {quite far from now in my point of view}, many of ICO investors got the profit that they ever wanted.
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The ICO is working only because speculators are supporting the market, once fundamental kicks in and people networth gets wiped out is when things start to realize
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Bitcointalk is full of children.

Ok, so you can't get into the most hyped icos EVER. maybe get off icocountdown.com and do a lil research for yourself. No problem getting tons of Wagerr, Dcorp, ZrCoin, PING.

SONM looks to be a scam, so the fuck what, stop ruining the board with your noob fud. If you don't like DON'T BUY! pretty simple. the games up, everybody caught onto making tons of money off ICOS now it's too late - you should be happy you didn't get in by your very attitude


100% this, stop crying noob, you got lucky with sonm its 60% likely a scam

get in wager, or notary very overlooked but honest and decent ico http://www.notary-platform.com/

also you can wait for the 2weeks after ico dump see bat,mgo, lgd, you get most anyway cheaper AFTER ico

stop cry man uip and research

Who's crying? I'm merely expressing anger at the lack of professionalism. If they want 30 million dollars from investors they better have the competence to deliver a working website without errors, and they sure as hell better pay some fucking moderators to purge the scam artists from the discussion groups.

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ICO's are popular because they have created good environment for this kind of investment, because few of them were so successful that cannot be compared with any other ways. But people neglecting facts that ICOs still holding "first place" in scams.
I think we cannot do anything about that, only to educate people to recognize obvious scams..
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Is there any cryptocurrency that people like you haven't tagged as Scam. Most of the media was saying bitcoin is ponzi scheme, bitcoin is scam, bitcoin is dead. you can still find it if you dig old media posts. You can only call it scam if Dev team take all money and run away doing nothing. You can't call it scam even if you loose all you have invested and project fails. Just look stats of Small business in US, 90% of them fail within first
 year and 90% more within next 5 years. I think blockchain projects are no different.


if the ico refuse escrow its highly suspicious, if you dont care your deal, but dont compare it to btc scam acusations




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Yeah your right, ICO also depends on crowdsale itself, so be careful when we chose some ICO
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Is there any cryptocurrency that people like you haven't tagged as Scam. Most of the media was saying bitcoin is ponzi scheme, bitcoin is scam, bitcoin is dead. you can still find it if you dig old media posts. You can only call it scam if Dev team take all money and run away doing nothing. You can't call it scam even if you loose all you have invested and project fails. Just look stats of Small business in US, 90% of them fail within first year and 90% more within next 5 years. I think blockchain projects are no different.



Bitcointalk is full of children.

Ok, so you can't get into the most hyped icos EVER. maybe get off icocountdown.com and do a lil research for yourself. No problem getting tons of Wagerr, Dcorp, ZrCoin, PING.

SONM looks to be a scam, so the fuck what, stop ruining the board with your noob fud. If you don't like DON'T BUY! pretty simple. the games up, everybody caught onto making tons of money off ICOS now it's too late - you should be happy you didn't get in by your very attitude


100% this, stop crying noob, you got lucky with sonm its 60% likely a scam

get in wager, or notary very overlooked but honest and decent ico http://www.notary-platform.com/

also you can wait for the 2weeks after ico dump see bat,mgo, lgd, you get most anyway cheaper AFTER ico

stop cry man uip and research
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even bitcoin has a long, long way to go before it's anything more than speculation.

dont be idiotic now
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Why do you want to buy at the first minutes the ICO start?
Why dont just try it couple hours after launch, if you still see in the thread pple having issues then look the next day?
Why you you '' need''  to buy from the ICO  the first minutes it launches?

Can't agree more. Do not rush into an ICO at the first minute.
sr. member
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Bitcointalk is full of children.

Ok, so you can't get into the most hyped icos EVER. maybe get off icocountdown.com and do a lil research for yourself. No problem getting tons of Wagerr, Dcorp, ZrCoin, PING.

SONM looks to be a scam, so the fuck what, stop ruining the board with your noob fud. If you don't like DON'T BUY! pretty simple. the games up, everybody caught onto making tons of money off ICOS now it's too late - you should be happy you didn't get in by your very attitude


100% this, stop crying noob, you got lucky with sonm its 60% likely a scam

get in wager, or notary very overlooked but honest and decent ico http://www.notary-platform.com/

also you can wait for the 2weeks after ico dump see bat,mgo, lgd, you get most anyway cheaper AFTER ico

stop cry man uip and research
legendary
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I can't say I understand what SONM purports to be--I don't even know what they're claiming, because I haven't read anything about them--but you're pretty on the money, OP.  I'm a firm believer that there's very little innovation in new cryptos that are coming out, that all ICOs are just designed to make money for their developers.

I agree, give it 5 years and we'll see whether any of these projects were worth investing in.  Right now the market just seems to be supersaturated with garbage.
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Check Wagger ICO.
20 rounds. Works great and no issues. And the project is awesome, not overpriced for the future, and relying on a great market and a simple use case (the best of blockchain smart contracts)

That is the way to go.


I agree that other ICO are mostly scams from teams trying to make quick money.
(special prize for IOTA on bitfinex: buy vs. sell is outrageous... )

The best thing we can do is NOT to participate to these ICO.
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True.
Its hard to judge because there hasn't been anything like this since the dotcom bubble in the 90's
I believe it was about five or six years before everything started to fall apart (1994 to just after 2000 before a lot of big companies went bankrupt)
maybe someone can provide a more accurate timeline on this.

but the dotcom bubble was based on actual functioning companies, even if they were crappy ones. they had employees, products, services, serious investors and even customers and actual utility. that all takes real time to screw up and die.

icos are dust built on even more dust. their 'bedrocks' are nothing than speculative playthings, let alone their ico offshoots. even bitcoin has a long, long way to go before it's anything more than speculation.

During 2000–2002, the bubble collapsed. Some companies, such as Pets.com and Webvan, failed completely and shut down. Others, such as Cisco, whose stock declined by 86%, and Qualcomm, lost a large portion of their market capitalization but survived, and some companies, such as eBay and Amazon.com, later recovered and surpassed their dot-com-bubble stock price peaks.[2]

See BTC as the ebay or amazon, they surpassed their dot-com bubble peak by more then 100 times.

Some survived but all the companies without any real income stream died very quickly. The ones that survived and thrived were the established players with lots of money behind them. I agree BTC will be one of them but I'm not sure how many of these altcoins there will be, I think about 90% of them need to die for a healthy market to go on.
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Dotcom companies went down because there were too many of them offering things there wasn't a big market for. ICOs may not go this way because the main thing they deal with - their foundation is simply human greed, and you can count on that to go on and on. Just look around and ask yourself why are there still casinos and gambling halls when we all know they're just a legal way for robbing people.

greed isn't infinite. at some point you gotta offer a glimmer of delivering on your hype. casinos offer it every time you go. that's why you come back.

icos can't continue for a decade without more than a few people actually wondering what this money is actually doing. as soon as that happens en masse it's over.
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True.
Its hard to judge because there hasn't been anything like this since the dotcom bubble in the 90's
I believe it was about five or six years before everything started to fall apart (1994 to just after 2000 before a lot of big companies went bankrupt)
maybe someone can provide a more accurate timeline on this.

but the dotcom bubble was based on actual functioning companies, even if they were crappy ones. they had employees, products, services, serious investors and even customers and actual utility. that all takes real time to screw up and die.

icos are dust built on even more dust. their 'bedrocks' are nothing than speculative playthings, let alone their ico offshoots. even bitcoin has a long, long way to go before it's anything more than speculation.

Dotcom companies went down because there were too many of them offering things there wasn't a big market for. ICOs may not go this way because the main thing they deal with - their foundation is simply human greed, and you can count on that to go on and on. Just look around and ask yourself why are there still casinos and gambling halls when we all know they're just a legal way for robbing people.
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- "Bitcore (BTX) - The Future is Now"
Just be happy that you can't get in these hyped ico's , big money grab all around.
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https://cointelegraph.com/news/icos-high-on-radar-of-us-sec-regulator-source

I don't know that US regulators can actually do anything about ICOs and I'm not even sure I want them to.
There is money to be made if you invest wisely, and if you lose your money you have no one to blame but yourself.
A lot of stupid people are going to go broke in the next few years investing in ICO projects and, honestly, its going to be really funny.
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True.
Its hard to judge because there hasn't been anything like this since the dotcom bubble in the 90's
I believe it was about five or six years before everything started to fall apart (1994 to just after 2000 before a lot of big companies went bankrupt)
maybe someone can provide a more accurate timeline on this.

but the dotcom bubble was based on actual functioning companies, even if they were crappy ones. they had employees, products, services, serious investors and even customers and actual utility. that all takes real time to screw up and die.

icos are dust built on even more dust. their 'bedrocks' are nothing than speculative playthings, let alone their ico offshoots. even bitcoin has a long, long way to go before it's anything more than speculation.

During 2000–2002, the bubble collapsed. Some companies, such as Pets.com and Webvan, failed completely and shut down. Others, such as Cisco, whose stock declined by 86%, and Qualcomm, lost a large portion of their market capitalization but survived, and some companies, such as eBay and Amazon.com, later recovered and surpassed their dot-com-bubble stock price peaks.[2]

See BTC as the ebay or amazon, they surpassed their dot-com bubble peak by more then 100 times.

Unless the bubble has yet to come Wink
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