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ED, blame user for your own coding error is not the way to do business.

I strongly recommend that you pay 1DiCe1 ASAP and end this mess.

Dice site is a lucrative business, but Trust is Gold here.

Act soon before it's too late.

tl;dr 1Dice1 was screwed by ED and made to pay for ED's own negligence. Everyone needs to boycott ED and spread the word that the owner is not to be trusted under any circumstances.


Given the unsatisfactory resolution to this, it will be up to this community to make sure everyone knows that ED is a shady operator, and to make sure no one gambles there. Basically, the ED website was faulty, according to the website owner himself, and so if you won during the "faulty period", your winnings won't be paid out. That's awfully convenient. However, everyone who lost in that time is out of luck. ED is keeping your money. That's the first two pieces of BS.

The next piece is that this sets up a BS precedent on ED. It is now established that winnings can be denied because of website owner negligence. 'Yeah, I guess you could see the seed or something because we didn't code our website correctly, so we're not gonna pay you the money you won.' This incentivizes website owners to code intentional faults into their website so they have an excuse to deny payments to big winners if they want to.

On a related note, can someone explain to me how it is possible to game the system if you can see the site seed? This is completely unrelated to the merit of my points, I just want to understand this argument. Am I understanding it incorrectly, or don't sites like JD and LuckyNumber publish the seed? How can they publish the seed, but ED's seed needs to remain a secret?

The fact remains that if the seed was supposed to be hidden and it wasn't, that's the site owner's fault, not 1Dice1's fault. But I don't believe 1Dice was gaming the site. He's not a technical computer guy. Some people have been talking to him outside of this forum and ED chat to try and help him track down ED owner if necessary, and we asked him to find the IP address in the mails he was exchanging with ED owner, and he had no idea what we were talking about or how to do it. We had to have him forward the mail so someone could do it for him. If he can't find something simple like an IP address, I doubt he could find a site seed, assuming he even knew what that was.

Cryptopher, I guess you are right. ruru is either a big investor or a staff of ED...

Agree

ED, you should pay 1DiCe1 's fair winnings. otherwise your trust is in garbage.

And if you really can't pay it in full right now, maybe you guys can schedule a term payment, say monthly 30BTC until all amounts are paid. I guess 1DiCe1 might be OK with that.

Here's what gonna happen. 1.) ED ruins its own reputation 2.) Existing and potential gamblers will switch to other places. 

You forgot me ruru, what about me? i made my coins legit, isnt this a theft?

Here's whats gonna happen. 1.) ED will refund investors, 2.) Reduce max bet into 0.5%, 3.) Rework commission structure.

Then we wont have shit like this again.

Pretty much so.

To everyone playing or planning to play on ED: Your winnings MAY BE reversed at any time but not your losses.

WOW, this is ridiculous. so everytime someone win big on your site, you might just find another "bug" and refuse the payment.

That is such an "easy" way of running a dice site 

Admin, you made errors and have no idea whether someone has used it at all, and now you simply use it as an excuse to deny payment.
Wow, it is just ridiculous...

EDIT: fixed the quotes

Then everydice should refund the 30 coins that 1dice1 lost.

As expected, seems that i wont get my coins:


Is possible to sue in court?

I did, 0.84 had, but lost some

JD is as safe as it gets for a Bitcoin casino


"Commission is charged when profits are divested, or at midnight (UTC) on Sunday each week, whichever happens sooner. Commission is never charged twice on the same profits. For example if you invest 100 BTC and it grows to 110 BTC by the end of the first week, you will be charged 10% of your 10 BTC profit. If your remaining 109 BTC investment then shrinks to 105 BTC over the next week, you will not be charged any commission at the end of that week. And then, if it grows to 119 BTC by the end of the 3rd week, you will only be charged 10% commission on the new 10 BTC of profit over the previous high of 109 BTC. At any point you could divest up to your original investment of 100 BTC without being charged commission since we consider that when divesting you divest the original investment first, and profits later."

BTW 1Dice1 was referred so someone made 5BTC out of its betting?

Did someone else win more than 0.5 on ED so far?

EveryDice, it has been more than 24 hours, you must pay 1Dice1. Period.

I run a scratchticket gambling site. When I started my site, I was fully aware of the risks that variances mean to the house bankroll. On my site, I have a background process that runs that tells me when a betters results (wins/losses) are exceptionally lucky. If you are outside 4 standard deviations from the norm, that's pretty damn lucky. These results are flagged for manual review. However, unless I can PROVE fraud within 12 hours of so, I must pay out. This is the risk the house takes when it develops (or licenses) its software and puts in place its security procedures. If someone rips you off, than it is still your fault and if you can't prove fraud within 12 hours, pay him. This is the cost of business. When you find out how they did it, fix it. But for now, you are completely killing your own site by undermining every ounce of trust everyone has in you.

My guess is that if I ran a statistical analysis on the betting history you released for 1Dice1, it would show the guy (gal) is damn lucky but statistically within the reasonable realm of possibilities. Pay him unless you can 100% prove fraud.

I agree. That's why I quickly divested my investment and cashed out 2 days ago, when 1Dice won 100 BTC.

See I personally don't think everydice is looking into rolls, they are considering the ethical decision at hand:

1. Run with the funds since no one knows their identity.
2. Payout 1dice1 and the site ends cause no one trusts them and no one thinks the site is fair or whatever.

Either way the site goes down. So how much guilt is the point where they won't scam is the real question? For 300 BTC thats quite a hefty sum for someone who no one knows and could disappear with.

Fair enough point about the bankroll aspect, but after Gox went tits up did people stop using BTC-E, Bitstamp, Huobi etc? Of course not. Did people stop storing funds on these exchanges? Probably a few, but the majority of users won't have flinched.

I think that EveryDice's reputation is in tatters now, at least for those who are witnessing this unfold. I don't know how 1Dice amassed so much in winnings so soon, but assuming it is legit then ED is dead in the water.

I kind of understand zahra's point.
After gox is down, everyone are more aware of the problem of storing bitcoin on exchanges and they kind of trust bitstamp, btc-e and all other exchanges less.

Similarly, if ED runs away with all bitcoin, people may be more hesitated to invest their money in bankroll of JD or other casinos.

Maybe unnecessary to point out, but name is "EveryDice," not "EnjoyDice."


But I agree with you, it doesn't necessarily damage the reputation of other dice sites. Maybe a good opportunity for smaller site to swing in and save the day, make a name for itself, good PR by covering some of 1D1's losses. But this is maybe unreasonable to assume.