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hero member
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Why would you make more than one transaction for a purchase? The values might come from different addresses, which resembles you metaphor of 10 10$ bills.

Because I control more than one address?  Because tx fees are ridiculously small?  Because it costs nothing to create an addy?
Why wouldn't I, considering that folks like you equate # of transactions with influx of users?  Profit.
If you want to make fake data, you can also just send the same amount forward and back between two addresses to increase USD volume. That doesn't make that metric better in any way.
sr. member
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Why would you make more than one transaction for a purchase? The values might come from different addresses, which resembles you metaphor of 10 10$ bills.

Because I control more than one address?  Because tx fees are ridiculously small?  Because it costs nothing to create an addy?
Why wouldn't I, considering that folks like you equate # of transactions with influx of users?  Profit.
hero member
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Thinking this very much too - and considering just how much positive the growth of fundamentals has seemed over the past year, I'm very much looking forward to the adjustment.
In the last half year, the use of Bitcoin hasn't changed much. See Estimated transaction volume in USD, which has been flat for six months now. There's been a lot of talk about growth in usage, but it's not happening.


If you want to know the usage, why do you see the volume in USD? That chart shows how many wealth in moving. The number of transactions should be a better meassure of dinamism. https://blockchain.info/es/charts/n-transactions

USD volume represents the value of the transactions.
The number of transactions means little--if you buy something from me for $100, I don't care if you hand me a $100 bill once, or hand me $10 bill ten times.
Why would you make more than one transaction for a purchase? The values might come from different addresses, which resembles you metaphor of 10 10$ bills.
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Amazing times are coming
Thinking this very much too - and considering just how much positive the growth of fundamentals has seemed over the past year, I'm very much looking forward to the adjustment.
In the last half year, the use of Bitcoin hasn't changed much. See Estimated transaction volume in USD, which has been flat for six months now. There's been a lot of talk about growth in usage, but it's not happening.


If you want to know the usage, why do you see the volume in USD? That chart shows how many wealth in moving. The number of transactions should be a better meassure of dinamism. https://blockchain.info/es/charts/n-transactions

USD volume represents the value of the transactions.
The number of transactions means little--if you buy something from me for $100, I don't care if you hand me a $100 bill once, or hand me $10 bill ten times.

That means that for a given day, a few hundred transactions for a couple of million USD each is better than a couple of millon transactions for a few tens USD. Sorry, I don't agree.
sr. member
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Thinking this very much too - and considering just how much positive the growth of fundamentals has seemed over the past year, I'm very much looking forward to the adjustment.
In the last half year, the use of Bitcoin hasn't changed much. See Estimated transaction volume in USD, which has been flat for six months now. There's been a lot of talk about growth in usage, but it's not happening.


If you want to know the usage, why do you see the volume in USD? That chart shows how many wealth in moving. The number of transactions should be a better meassure of dinamism. https://blockchain.info/es/charts/n-transactions

USD volume represents the value of the transactions.
The number of transactions means little--if you buy something from me for $100, I don't care if you hand me a $100 bill once, or hand me $10 bill ten times.
legendary
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Thinking this very much too - and considering just how much positive the growth of fundamentals has seemed over the past year, I'm very much looking forward to the adjustment.
In the last half year, the use of Bitcoin hasn't changed much. See Estimated transaction volume in USD, which has been flat for six months now. There's been a lot of talk about growth in usage, but it's not happening.


If you want to know the usage, why do you see the volume in USD? That chart shows how many wealth in moving. The number of transactions should be a better meassure of dinamism. https://blockchain.info/es/charts/n-transactions

Nagle was here in 2011 and missed out on being an early adopter by being constantly bearish on bitcoin. I would review his post history before taking his posts too seriously!
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Amazing times are coming
Thinking this very much too - and considering just how much positive the growth of fundamentals has seemed over the past year, I'm very much looking forward to the adjustment.
In the last half year, the use of Bitcoin hasn't changed much. See Estimated transaction volume in USD, which has been flat for six months now. There's been a lot of talk about growth in usage, but it's not happening.


If you want to know the usage, why do you see the volume in USD? That chart shows how many wealth in moving. The number of transactions should be a better meassure of dinamism. https://blockchain.info/es/charts/n-transactions
sr. member
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...Bitcoin has far further to run from here. Newbies.

Keep running, filthy Bitcoiners.  There's no place to hide!

legendary
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I expect that the Bitcoin ETF will trigger the next rally phase.

I wouldn't expect any rally of significance any more.  People got burned by the MtGox bubble.  Tullips don't rally twice.  Moreover, there are now a lot of trading options.  Speculation and trading usually make large excursions harder to come by.  A fully speculated and traded market usually only has large excursions as a function of unexpected events.

I would expect the price now, on the longer term, to evolve more slowly as a function of the expectation of the future fundamentals of bitcoin.  Bitcoin came to some form of maturity after the MtGox bubble I would think.


Well worded bs. Look at the long term log price chart, the current user base, and current market cap. Bitcoin has far further to run from here. Newbies.
legendary
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Anyone wishing yet they invested in ripple? I have hated XRP since it was conceived but it seems to grow like cancer lately. Any ideas why it's in a bubble and will it pose any threat to bitcoin?
legendary
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It's often discussed. The simple answer is, that the price is low due to price manipulation. Speculators can just make more money with high volatility and that is mostly what all the exchanges are about: Making money with speculation.

That is exactly the reason, why so many people don't look at the price anymore. If you look at other metrics you see, that the BTC-economy is growing.

Agreed on the premise that the crypto economy is doing fine, but disagreed on the conclusion that it must be due to manipulation (at least not in the sense of active, coordinated manipulation). People so easily forget that, each day, 3600 new coins are potentially entering the market (probably less, but don't fool yourself into thinking miners "hold" as much as they did two years ago), which at current valuation means up to 1.3M USD are needed per day are needed to sustain price. I'm simplifying, of course, it's probably not 1:1, but the point is: During its bootstrapping phase, Bitcoin is de facto highly inflationary, and the market must absorb this.

In addition, people seem to forget that we ran up to a major price peak last year, catapulting the hypothetical Bitcoin market cap to more than 10 billion. And that was after an almost uninterrupted upwards trend since late 2011. At some point, the market will cool down, like it or not.

None of that means Bitcoin is done. Far from it. But it never was a realistic option that we'd go straight to 100k USD, by some magical, market defying process of the entire world giving up fiat and turning their assets into crypto. The process will be a lot more choppy. Still a good investment, imo, and most likely price will go up again substantially, but not in one smooth go, and probably not quite as high as some in here used to think, or still think.
hero member
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everything except the thing that matters
Can people like you please just play at a casino or something similar and leave bitcoin alone?
legendary
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everything except the thing that matters
full member
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speculation and manipulation,real price is above 1000$

Real price may be above 1000$ but that dont seem to be at the moment.
Maybe with next year or something. Price is fine for now. Maybe will hit 500$ by end of year but i dont think so.
legendary
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The price is exactly correct. It may not be what I like, but it is correct.

Price may not be what we all like but with time it will come to price we all want to see for now is stable.
This is good for now but we will see will it stay like this but for one point of view price will jumping and dropping always.
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speculation and manipulation,real price is above 1000$
hero member
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I expect that the Bitcoin ETF will trigger the next rally phase.

I wouldn't expect any rally of significance any more.  People got burned by the MtGox bubble.  Tullips don't rally twice.  Moreover, there are now a lot of trading options.  Speculation and trading usually make large excursions harder to come by.  A fully speculated and traded market usually only has large excursions as a function of unexpected events.

I would expect the price now, on the longer term, to evolve more slowly as a function of the expectation of the future fundamentals of bitcoin.  Bitcoin came to some form of maturity after the MtGox bubble I would think.
sr. member
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Rules not Rulers
Thinking this very much too - and considering just how much positive the growth of fundamentals has seemed over the past year, I'm very much looking forward to the adjustment.
In the last half year, the use of Bitcoin hasn't changed much. See Estimated transaction volume in USD, which has been flat for six months now. There's been a lot of talk about growth in usage, but it's not happening.


Looking at transaction volume, it is up around 300% from this time last year, which means around $360 is pretty much exactly where the price should be.

Plus number of transactions and number of unique addresses used continues to climb, I would say BTC is pretty much where it should be. Remember, we were at $15 not that long ago. I would say we should hit 4 digits again around this time next year.
hero member
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I don't use to open discussions here because all my questions have already been answered somewhere in this forum however I cannot understand what is going on in these days with the bitcoin price. Let me explain myself:

It is clear for me that in this year (2014) we are a lot better than years before. We can buy directly with bitcoins in overstock and paypal has "integrated" bitcoin in its payment system. I also saw a browser extension that allow us to buy in amazon (there is a middleman).

Without MtGox and after the 2013's bubble the ecosystem looks healthier than before.

There weren't bad news in 2014, no more repetitive-fear-generator SilkRoad / drugs / isis / satan news. In fact there were more good news thanks to new projects/startups.

I think that in this atmosphere the bitcoin's price shouldn't go down. What is going on? Do you know?


I think the market price is overall correct, and I don't think it is manipulated long-term.  The fundamentals at this moment would give you probably a price which is way lower than the current price (the amount of stuff bought with bitcoin - mainly the black market, and the gold market share).  $10.- wouldn't surprise me.  So a serious part of the current price is the speculative estimation of future fundamentals and their probability.  If you give it 3% chance that a coin will reach $10 000.-, you may be willing to put $300.- in a coin now.  Well, less, because of risk aversion.

The other good indicators simply increase slightly the chance that one day, bitcoin will have stronger fundamentals.  That would on one hand go for a higher speculative price now.  On the other hand, the bubble from MtGox is still deflating.  One was around $100.- before.

So you should take as a baseline, $100.- or so, and consider the price increase relative to that.  If all the good news would double chances for bitcoin, the right price would be $200.-.

legendary
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Thinking this very much too - and considering just how much positive the growth of fundamentals has seemed over the past year, I'm very much looking forward to the adjustment.
In the last half year, the use of Bitcoin hasn't changed much. See Estimated transaction volume in USD, which has been flat for six months now. There's been a lot of talk about growth in usage, but it's not happening.
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