Topic: Evil of religion, and investment into IBB, Islamic Bitcoin Bank - page 2. (Read 8423 times)

I just readed the initial post and I am really angry of what I am reading. You are really one-sided and you are realy taking out of your hat here

They didn't create math and science, they contributed to math and science. And coined many names, like Algebra. Math has a much older history, inlcluding Egypt, Babylon, and India. But the greatest role was in math and science was played by ancient Greece long before Christianity or Islam.

While Christians were doing all these cruel acts, Muslims were also busy stoning adulterous women to death, and killing the unfaithful. Leaving Islam is punishable by death. As for the crusades, read history, it started as defense against muslim conquests, not the other way around. Sure in their conquests the Muslims didn't kill Christians or Jews, especially the monks/clergy, because they are considered people of the book. But pagans/heathens were killed or taken as slaves. Girls were also kidnapped for harems.

An even today in the Islamic world women are stoned to death for adultery. And people killed for witchcraft, heresy, or atheism.

People should read more history.

Good one. The correct answer is the second.

just love your BLACK-OR-WHITE logic.

I thought the OP's post made an interesting read and I thank him for posting something thought provoking. Although, I don't agree that religion is evil. Evil only exists if there is a God. Otherwise evil is just choices you don't agree with. True evil is a supernatural concept that assumes there is an absolute and objective good.
 

Don't worry I don't force you about anything.  I'm telling you that there are some people who will not consider iyou seriously as long as you put religious references in your economic activities.

Atheists don't like superstitions and would not want to have business with a "astrological bank of bitcoins", "christian bank of bitcoin" or "pastafaric bank of bitcoin".


PS.  I understand though that such a name has probably a good appeal for muslim people.  And there are quite a lot of muslims in this world so I guess from a marketing point of view your name is a good strategy.

Im not religious at all, OP is an ignorant troll..

The Ayn Rand ref's say everything you need to know about OP..   

OP should hook up with Atlas and marry each other...








Sen, keep fighting the good fight my brother!

To paraphrase Ayn Rand: "There are no contradictions in reality, only bad premises".  Either you are not thinking logically, or we have different premises.  My premise that a man has a basic right to act as he wishes, as long as doesn't interfere with property rights of others. In the case of Sharia prohibiting a girl to wear skirt (at the punishment of death), it is an infringement on basic rights, because she

- doesn't interfere with property rights of others
- acts according to her idea.

Same goes for adultery, sleeping around. It is a personal choice of individual of what they want to do with their body.

As well, Sharia doesn't permit anyone to question it. It prohibits freedom of speech in your own media.  I can't have my own news paper and market it on the street. I would be thrown in jail a disruptor of peace.

I love 3 of those links you posted, but it's amazing that I don't share your views at all. Not even a little bit.

While Breivik was a catholic fundamentalist.

Two days ago in Italy they arrested a person who converted to Islam and was planning an attack on the synagogue of Milan
Then they found a group of people recently converted to Islam that were contacting Al Quaeda and other terrorist organizations and organizing trainings in places like Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/23/209705.html
http://www.myfoxny.com/story/17656009/italian-police-arrest-muslim-convert-over-terror-plot

You're the fisrt muslim I ever encounter who supports evolution.

Maybe I'm wrong about muslims and they are not as obscurantists as I thought.  I still whish you were not refering to islam with everything you do, though.  Including banking and bitcoins.

The Semitic religions are a curse on all humanity. The use of supernaturalism to manipulate and control people is the world's oldest confidence scheme, it relies on the ritual abuse of children at their most impressionable stage by adults who have themselves been made childish for life by these artifacts of the primitive mind.

Subsidize this sickness? Better to cut off its air supply completely.

IBB is not going to have significant influence nor power for very basic reasons.

I don't see what we should worry about.

+1 grondilu

Those scientists that were religious, be it Islam or Christianity (Newton, Pascal, Leibniz), were so because of their time and culture around them. Moreover, I bet they believed in God = nature, like Spinoza, rather than faith into teachings of a particular book.

For the record, Omar Khayam, a great arab poet and mathematician, whose work in both fields is still popular today, was speaking against religion.

http://www.nndb.com/people/043/000031947/

Yeah right.  When someone shows you a book supposedly written by a prophet of God you just accept it without discussion.  And yet when someone gives you a materialist explanation of why life is so diverse and how it evolves, you just reject it and ask for "facts" because you think a weird explanation such as "it's just that God made it so" is better (although it doesn't explain anything: it just gives a name "God" to the explanation).

Science is full of theories about how things work and I'm pretty sure you accept them without so-called "facts", because you know they make sense and do not hurt your religious belief:  you may accept plate tectonics and yet you will never ever in your life see a continent move with you own eyes.  But I guess plate tectonics does not hurt your feelings.

Then call those civilisations persian when they are persian and arab when they are arabs.  Western cultures come from roman and greek civlisations but usually we call them just romans even if we're talking about people who where living very far from Rome.  Anyway we do not use the roman religion to name them.  We don't say that the western culture comes from the civilisation of Zeus.


Just get rid of this stupid book and you'll do even better in learning nature.  It's a waste of time for the mind to read and accept a book just because it is "revelated".  It is contrary to scientific method to accept an ad-hoc idea just per se, as a dogma.  This is the main reason why religion is very little compatible with science: it diffuses the idea that it is acceptable to use autorithy and blind faith to determin whether something is true or false.

You can talk however long you want about how great were some muslim scientists.  There is no point as I will not deny that some of them made great discoveries indeed.  Yet I may ask why then your great God didn't gave more hints about science to your prophet and put them in the Coran.  Why didn't he write the equations of Maxwell, the list of the elements and the axioms of quantum mechanics for instance?  All this could have been written on one or two pages.  Yet it seems your God wanted all this to be discovered by non-muslims, and he wanted the people he chose to be quite limited to maths, astronomy and medecine, and still to be over-powered by non muslims in these fields anyway.  Go figure!
 
This is BS, seriously.  I've seen some documentaries about madrassas, islamic schools, where young chidren were spending their all day long learning the Coran by heart during years.  How on earth do you want such kids to learn anything about nature?

In the arabic world, in the persian world or whatever makes what we currently call the "islamic" world, there were great scientific discoveries that were made.   Yes, but it is true also before that in the greeko-roman world (which arabs transmitted the legacy to us, thanks for that!), and also in India and probably in other civilisations I do not know about.  Those civilisations had religions two, damned it!  And yet we never insist on using the name of these religions to qualify them, as you keep on trying to do.

Indeed, scientific "fact" according to who? If they call it fact they are either a crappy scientist, bad/lazy at explaining things, or not a scientist. That's the whole point...

That makes no sense. Theories is just about the only thing science has to offer. Maybe you meant to say hypothesis instead?
In science once a hypothesis is tested and validated, it becomes a theory. It doesnt get much better than a theory. Gravity is a theory, not a scientific fact. Scientific facts dont attempt to explain anything, a fact is little more than a repeatable observation. Believing only in scientific facts, is like only believing what you see, but not trying to understand what it is you see. You need theories to explain that.

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