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Topic: Evil of religion, and investment into IBB, Islamic Bitcoin Bank - page 5. (Read 8423 times)

legendary
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Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion the OP is obliviously afraid of that and that's why he is sprouting out Islamaphobia.  No I don't want to live under Sharia law (like my foreskin, beer and bacon butties too much) or see woman walking round in burqa's tho I don't mind the hijab tho food from the Muslim countries from North Africa to India is the best even better than Italian food and they make the best hashish  Grin

If OP is right, and it is a philosophical blunder, then he should have nothing to fear.  Such things will work themselves out.  It will not take over unless you prove it right by constantly attacking it.  Islam teaches one how to draw strength from such attacks, as many philosophies do.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1003
Matthew: USSR was socialism/communism.  USA before creation of the Federal Reserve system was capitalism. Today under Obama it is more socialism. Nazism was socialism. (Hitler's party was the National Worker's Union).  You have many concepts confused.  Socialism is evil as well, but Sharia is militant and Socialism is philosophically evil. Left or right, democrats or republicans -- their title doesn't matter. What matters is what they say, and what they stand for in their actions.

To others -- I have stated my postiion and will not debate further in this forum -- the information is out there in the links I posted, and you can debate there on each of those points. My point of posting it here was pertaining to bitcoin and the hypocrisy of such a use: defending freedom and financing murder is a contradiction.

This is off-topic but if you read this guide on "What is Socialism" - http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/what_is_socialism.php you will see the USSR was not socialism and the political party who wrote that guide was around before the creation of the USSR.  Yes the Nazi's was "National Socialism" again if you read that guide and Karl Marx's works you will find "National Socialism" is an abomination!

Edit:  The Democrat Party are "Neo-Liberals" very different and far removed from socialism. 
donator
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
Matthew: USSR was socialism/communism.  USA before creation of the Federal Reserve system was capitalism. Today under Obama it is more socialism. Nazism was socialism. (Hitler's party was the National Worker's Union).  You have many concepts confused.  Socialism is evil as well, but Sharia is militant and Socialism is philosophically evil. Left or right, democrats or republicans -- their title doesn't matter. What matters is what they say, and what they stand for in their actions.

To others -- I have stated my postiion and will not debate further in this forum -- the information is out there in the links I posted, and you can debate there on each of those points. My point of posting it here was pertaining to bitcoin and the hypocrisy of such a use: defending freedom and financing murder is a contradiction.

First socialism is not equal communism.

Second, I was just waiting when you would call upon Godwin's law, and here it is!
Wow on the second page, that was fast!
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1003
Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion the OP is obliviously afraid of that and that's why he is sprouting out Islamaphobia.  No I don't want to live under Sharia law (like my foreskin, beer and bacon butties too much) or see woman walking round in burqa's tho I don't mind the hijab tho food from the Muslim countries from North Africa to India is the best even better than Italian food and they make the best hashish  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
Matthew: USSR was socialism/communism.  USA before creation of the Federal Reserve system was capitalism. Today under Obama it is more socialism. Nazism was socialism. (Hitler's party was the National Worker's Union).  You have many concepts confused.  Socialism is evil as well, but Sharia is militant and Socialism is philosophically evil. Left or right, democrats or republicans -- their title doesn't matter. What matters is what they say, and what they stand for in their actions.

To others -- I have stated my postiion and will not debate further in this forum -- the information is out there in the links I posted, and you can debate there on each of those points. My point of posting it here was pertaining to bitcoin and the hypocrisy of such a use: defending freedom and financing murder is a contradiction.

Yet you attack such hypocrisy by supporting war against a populace.  Sure, the government may lose power, but the populace loses lives.  Who are you trying to free here?
legendary
Activity: 1904
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I'm not stopping anyone by force of using IBB.  Go ahead, use IBB. I will make sure my bitcoins will not end up there, and my post is the explanation why.

I disagree with you, therefore I wrote my post. Being able to write what I wrote is one of the meanings of freedom to me.

Sharia, is exactly, the evil merge of religion and govt. It is a conquering theology, that attempts to dominate the whole world by force and majority voting.

But in thruth, no religion was able to contain itself -- it wants to spread by its definition. That is why it is so dangerous.  From Christian crusades, to the Inquisition, to Hugenots, and finally to Sharia.

Saying that financing evil is a necessity of a free currency is orthogonal to my position. I am saying that although it is technically possible, and maybe some people do it, you, the reader, shouldn't do it for the reasons I have outlined.

I am also not saying the the CEO of IBB is a not a nice guy.  Many people are good people, but they do bad things without realizing it. We are born into the world with a baggage of culture that is fed into us by the social system in which we grow.  Read 1984 by George Orwell, about how hard it is to contradict.  Many people grow up with a several conflicting views in their head, that they don't know how to balance. For example, the concept of God and the story in the Holy Books, and science.  They invent a kludge to keep them in their head without conflicitng, rather than choosing the Occam's Razor.





The sword of truth is certainly sharper than the dagger of ignorance, but how can you be sure which you hold?  Do you want to risk slipping when you cut if your tool is subpar?

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
sr. member
Activity: 312
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Matthew: USSR was socialism/communism.  USA before creation of the Federal Reserve system was capitalism. Today under Obama it is more socialism. Nazism was socialism. (Hitler's party was the National Worker's Union).  You have many concepts confused.  Socialism is evil as well, but Sharia is militant and Socialism is philosophically evil. Left or right, democrats or republicans -- their title doesn't matter. What matters is what they say, and what they stand for in their actions.

To others -- I have stated my postiion and will not debate further in this forum -- the information is out there in the links I posted, and you can debate there on each of those points. My point of posting it here was pertaining to bitcoin and the hypocrisy of such a use: defending freedom and financing murder is a contradiction.
donator
Activity: 448
Merit: 250

.. long boring post deleted ..

... you lost me at "I support the war ..."

+1 that, although the OP lost me much earlier...
donator
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
It is a conquering theology, that attempts to dominate the whole world by force and majority voting.

Hey, that's almost like Bitcoin! Just if you look closer, religion doesn't allow for the >50% decision (I guess that's where the force part comes in...).

legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1003
Also as a Pastafrian I and the rest of humanity have a LOT to thank Arabs and Islam for!  They kept science alive during the dark ages none of the ancient Greek texts wouldn't have been kept if it wasn't for Arabs/Islam.  Every word that starts with "Al" is an Arabic invention "Algebra, Algorithm, Alcohol"  Also the numbers we use were invented by the Arabs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals - If it wasn't for them we would still be using Roman Numerals (but we have Hindu's/Indians to thank for the number zero).
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
You are WRONG!
Hello Bitcoiners,
 
Iran, all the Muslim countries that are sympathetic to Iran, are not for free enterprise. They are today what Soviet Union was before it crashed.
 

You will also find real socialists (see this for a definition of socialism - http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/what_is_socialism.php -[not neo-librel Democrats or (centre)left wing politics]) and most reasonable people are sympathetic to Iran and especially Palestinians.  Also BTW the USSR wasn't socialism that was state capitalism.
you can't argue with OP, he a brainwashed confused child.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1003
Hello Bitcoiners,
 
Iran, all the Muslim countries that are sympathetic to Iran, are not for free enterprise. They are today what Soviet Union was before it crashed.
 

You will also find real socialists (see this for a definition of socialism - http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/what_is_socialism.php -[not neo-librel Democrats or (centre)left wing politics]) and most reasonable people are sympathetic to Iran and especially Palestinians.  Also BTW the USSR wasn't socialism that was state capitalism.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1003
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1003
Sharia law is very similar to Christianity before the renaissance.  The only part I really dislike is woman covering the faces I don't mind them covering the body's and heads just not faces. 

Yes, requiring women to do that seems odd to me too.

Then even for the US, I was surprised to hear is that there's a discussion going on whether women should be admitted to the Augusta National Golf Club, and I thought to myself, wow we really need to catch up, it's the 21st century!



It all depends on your interpretation of Sharia just like some Christians won't eat meat on Good Friday and Roman Catholics won't eat meat every Friday this stems from the tradition you should fast every Friday to show devotion to Jesus.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
You are WRONG!
troll thread detected.

I support IBB.

sr. member
Activity: 312
Merit: 265
I'm not stopping anyone by force of using IBB.  Go ahead, use IBB. I will make sure my bitcoins will not end up there, and my post is the explanation why.

I disagree with you, therefore I wrote my post. Being able to write what I wrote is one of the meanings of freedom to me.

Sharia, is exactly, the evil merge of religion and govt. It is a conquering theology, that attempts to dominate the whole world by force and majority voting.

But in thruth, no religion was able to contain itself -- it wants to spread by its definition. That is why it is so dangerous.  From Christian crusades, to the Inquisition, to Hugenots, and finally to Sharia.

Saying that financing evil is a necessity of a free currency is orthogonal to my position. I am saying that although it is technically possible, and maybe some people do it, you, the reader, shouldn't do it for the reasons I have outlined.

I am also not saying the the CEO of IBB is a not a nice guy.  Many people are good people, but they do bad things without realizing it. We are born into the world with a baggage of culture that is fed into us by the social system in which we grow.  Read 1984 by George Orwell, about how hard it is to contradict.  Many people grow up with a several conflicting views in their head, that they don't know how to balance. For example, the concept of God and the story in the Holy Books, and science.  They invent a kludge to keep them in their head without conflicitng, rather than choosing the Occam's Razor.







legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1003
Also for you Christians and Jews Islam is a religion of the book meaning it follows and believes the old testament highly they even believe Jesus was a prophet.  Although we all know Jesus was the son of god but the Flying Spaghetti Monstor made god so I worship the FSM  Cheesy   
donator
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
Sharia law is very similar to Christianity before the renaissance.  The only part I really dislike is woman covering the faces I don't mind them covering the body's and heads just not faces. 

Yes, requiring women to do that seems odd to me too.

Then even for the US, I was surprised to hear is that there's a discussion going on whether women should be admitted to the Augusta National Golf Club, and I thought to myself, wow we really need to catch up, it's the 21st century!

legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1000
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1003
The OP is completely clueless.

As Senbonzakura from IBB will certainly tell you, the mission of the IBB is to be in line with the principles of Sharia, that means free of usury.
IMO a very noble mission, and I certainly can support that.

As for religion invading the government: Don't make me laugh; just look at the current US presidential race, how some candidates pushing religious beliefs more than anything else? So who's a hypocrite?



Sharia law is very similar to Christianity before the renaissance.  The only part I really dislike is woman covering the faces I don't mind them covering the body's and heads just not faces. 
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