Only if it was evidence in an investigation.
Not so. It is unconditionally theirs. They may ask for it back for any reason, and hold you liable for your failure to return it. See on Wikipedia, "Conversion (law)"
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Not so. It is unconditionally theirs. They may ask for it back for any reason, and hold you liable for your failure to return it. See on Wikipedia, "Conversion (law)"
Its the fault of the guy that made the coding error, Not the fault of the guy that got the BTC accidentally.
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Al it boils down to is this, Someone made an error and that error cost them alot of BTC.
Tuff luck.
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Al it boils down to is this, Someone made an error and that error cost them alot of BTC.
Tuff luck.
This is not about whose fault it is. It's about being civilized and making things right. I think the money should be returned.. clearly a mistake was made.
If you accidentally receive too much change in a shop... what do you do? Take the money and run? If so: what are you, some sort of ape?
As far as 'who owns what', the blockchain has the final say. This is an underlying concept of Bitcoin.
Not true. The blockchain is a record of who possesses what. It is not a record of ownership or title.
If you send me 100 BTC for safekeeping, or loan me your car, I possess it, but you still own it.
When toner sales men ship you a crate of toner cartridges you didn't ask for, and then sends you a bill for those toner cartridges, you don't have to send them back, and you don't have to pay for them either. Welcome to the real world.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/supplies.asp
http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/supplies.asp
That's only because the law explicitly allows for this, as a way to prevent unscrupulous scammers from sending you things on purpose just to compel you to buy them. It's a notable exception to prevent abuse of the mail for fraud.
If toner salesmen park a truck full of toner cartridges in your driveway, you don't suddenly own their truck and their toner, as the exception no longer applies.
Anything on my property belongs to me and I'd like to see them try to get it back.
When toner sales men ship you a crate of toner cartridges you didn't ask for, and then sends you a bill for those toner cartridges, you don't have to send them back, and you don't have to pay for them either. Welcome to the real world.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/supplies.asp
http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/supplies.asp
That's only because the law explicitly allows for this, as a way to prevent unscrupulous scammers from sending you things on purpose just to compel you to buy them. It's a notable exception to prevent abuse of the mail for fraud.
If toner salesmen park a truck full of toner cartridges in your driveway, you don't suddenly own their truck and their toner, as the exception no longer applies.
If the kids from the neighborhood hit their baseball through your window, you don't have to give it back.
Not a really relevant example, because the cost of compelling them to give it back vastly exceeds the value of the item you want back. If what went through your window was a fallen piece of a jet airplane and the airline wanted it back, you would damn well have to return it.
Only if it was evidence in an investigation.
All these poorly thought out metaphorical analogies are beginning to make my head hurt....
Okay so imagine you're stranded on the moon. Okay not a moon, lets say you're stranded on a star. Then sun. You're on the sun and its hot. Now, someone builds a fountain on the moon and the gravity of the sun sucked the fountain off the moon and it lands next to you. If you enjoy its cool mist you're stealing the fountains refreshing aura. You have an OBLIGATION to return 1) The mist 2) The fountain 3) That kids baseball.
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
No, when someone accidentally builds a fountain in your front yard, you get to keep it.
You mean to say that if my neighbor puts together his fountain and accidentally does so in my yard, that title to his fountain passes to me? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. By that logic, if I go to an auto parts store, buy a new pair of headlights, and install them on my car in their parking lot (their property), that they suddenly own my headlights and/or my car. Obviously that's ridiculous.
When toner sales men ship you a crate of toner cartridges you didn't ask for, and then sends you a bill for those toner cartridges, you don't have to send them back, and you don't have to pay for them either. Welcome to the real world.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/supplies.asp
Yup. It's called unsolicited mail and you're not responsible to pay for it. Book and magazine publishers used to do a lot of that crap many years ago. they would send you things in the mail and then a few weeks later a bill would arrive and they try to make you pay out of guilt. Postal regulations forbid that crap from happening now. If someone sends you something in the mail that you did not request, you don't have to pay for it or return it.
If the kids from the neighborhood hit their baseball through your window, you don't have to give it back.
Not a really relevant example, because the cost of compelling them to give it back vastly exceeds the value of the item you want back. If what went through your window was a fallen piece of a jet airplane and the airline wanted it back, you would damn well have to return it.
@casascius, of course you are correct here. It's amazing how many ridiculous misconceptions about law most people have and how sure are they about own infallibility.
Note to self: never ever talk about law on forums (except consumeractiongroup.co.uk and likes), wrestling with pigs is not a good idea.
Note to self: never ever talk about law on forums (except consumeractiongroup.co.uk and likes), wrestling with pigs is not a good idea.
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
It is more akin to you putting 4 fountains in my yard, having it mathematically verified that you did so, and then coming back to me and saying "although all four fountains are yours now, I only intended to give you one. Give me three fountains back."
I would say more like putting 4 fountains in your yard, and then coming back to you and saying, "although you were delivered four fountains, that was a mistake, you only paid for one. Please allow me to pick up the other three."
As far as 'who owns what', the blockchain has the final say. This is an underlying concept of Bitcoin.
All these poorly thought out metaphorical analogies are beginning to make my head hurt....
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
No, when someone accidentally builds a fountain in your front yard, you get to keep it.
You mean to say that if my neighbor puts together his fountain and accidentally does so in my yard, that title to his fountain passes to me? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. By that logic, if I go to an auto parts store, buy a new pair of headlights, and install them on my car in their parking lot (their property), that they suddenly own my headlights and/or my car. Obviously that's ridiculous.
When toner sales men ship you a crate of toner cartridges you didn't ask for, and then sends you a bill for those toner cartridges, you don't have to send them back, and you don't have to pay for them either. Welcome to the real world.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/supplies.asp
Jesus fuck, whats wrong with you people and your retarded analogies.
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
No, when someone accidentally builds a fountain in your front yard, you get to keep it.
You mean to say that if my neighbor puts together his fountain and accidentally does so in my yard, that title to his fountain passes to me? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. By that logic, if I go to an auto parts store, buy a new pair of headlights, and install them on my car in their parking lot (their property), that they suddenly own my headlights and/or my car. Obviously that's ridiculous.
Your metaphors are as bad as the 1987 hit song "Bad" by Micheal Jackson.
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
It is more akin to you putting 4 fountains in my yard, having it mathematically verified that you did so, and then coming back to me and saying "although all four fountains are yours now, I only intended to give you one. Give me three fountains back."
I would say more like putting 4 fountains in your yard, and then coming back to you and saying, "although you were delivered four fountains, that was a mistake, you only paid for one. Please allow me to pick up the other three."
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
No, when someone accidentally builds a fountain in your front yard, you get to keep it.
You mean to say that if my neighbor puts together his fountain and accidentally does so in my yard, that title to his fountain passes to me? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. By that logic, if I go to an auto parts store, buy a new pair of headlights, and install them on my car in their parking lot (their property), that they suddenly own my headlights and/or my car. Obviously that's ridiculous.
I suggest parking further away, you can't trust those car parts dealers.
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
No, when someone accidentally builds a fountain in your front yard, you get to keep it.
You mean to say that if my neighbor puts together his fountain and accidentally does so in my yard, that title to his fountain passes to me? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. By that logic, if I go to an auto parts store, buy a new pair of headlights, and install them on my car in their parking lot (their property), that they suddenly own my headlights and/or my car. Obviously that's ridiculous.
If the kids from the neighborhood hit their baseball through your window, you don't have to give it back.
Oh, and if you go the auto parts store and buy headlights then install them on MY car and I drive off you don't have the right to follow me home and take them off or you get clubbed with a baseball bat.
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
No, when someone accidentally builds a fountain in your front yard, you get to keep it.
You mean to say that if my neighbor puts together his fountain and accidentally does so in my yard, that title to his fountain passes to me? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. By that logic, if I go to an auto parts store, buy a new pair of headlights, and install them on my car in their parking lot (their property), that they suddenly own my headlights and/or my car. Obviously that's ridiculous.
By the logic I'm reading here, if I put a new fountain in my front yard, and someone steals it, it was their right, because when you start putting fountains in places without locking them down, it becomes other people's right to steal them if they can. And that if someone steals my fountain, title to the fountain transfers rightfully to the thief because the nature of fountains is that possession is nine tenths of the law and that transferring fountains (just like cash) is irreversible.
It is more akin to you putting 4 fountains in my yard, having it mathematically verified that you did so, and then coming back to me and saying "although all four fountains are yours now, I only intended to give you one. Give me three fountains back."
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