Topic: Exchange accidentally sent 512 bitcoins after coding error - page 9. (Read 35511 times)
My mistake... well if you know the effected party have them pm me here or msg me on IRC @ freenode
The victim here is phantomcircuit, aka Intersango exchange. 
Just because the info is out there doesn't mean you need to compile it together for people to harass a guy that did nothing wrong.
You didn't save anyone any time because no one gives a shit besides you.
Its creepy and you look like a stalker. You are not helping your case.
Fuck that. Alot of people GIVE A SHIT.You didn't save anyone any time because no one gives a shit besides you.
Its creepy and you look like a stalker. You are not helping your case.
I don't understand how you can defend as guy who joined this thread pretending to be a 'Devils Advocate 3rd party' only to reveal himself (most likely by accident, showing how smart he really is) as Ben Davis during the course of it.
Bottom line, this guy is a complete piece of shit. Read on....
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dlowdaog-40806
This douche nozel deserves to be put through the ringer...and then once again for good measure.
To add to the Douche Repository:
neBo503
aKa beNNy bLanCo
http://www.myspace.com/bendavis503
Employer: (possibly defunct now)
SAVANT CCA
111 SW 5TH AVE, STE 4090
PORTLAND, OR 97204-3648
(503) 914-5584
About me:
imma computer geek rapper... weird huh
Details
Status: In a Relationship
Orientation: Straight
Religion: Agnostic
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Children: Someday
Smoke / Drink: No / No
Education: High school
Income: $30,000 to $45,000
Schools
Grants Pass High School
Grants Pass,Oregon
Graduated: 1999
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
1995 to 1999Companies
Savant CCA
Portland, OR US
Network Administrator
[email protected]
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My mistake... well if you know the effected party have them pm me here or msg me on IRC @ freenode
Okay.
I'll tell you exactly what to do. You can probably just sell the to a debt collector, so you won't have to go to Oregon. It's called choose of remedy. You waive the tort and sue in debt on the conversion into money or money's worth. You have such a good amount of evidence because of the confession. He confessed his identity and the act of receiving it and confessed he had no right to it.. It's a slam dunk.
I PM's you but you didn't answer.
I'm sick of thieves and liars. This national kleptocracy has to end.
I can't wait till he is on here whining because he can't pay his rent because his bank account is frozen and his wages are garnished.
By the way, for clarification, the issue here is not affiliated with me directly (indirectly as part of bitcoin community perhaps), and therefore this is not my case. I'm just participating in this thread at my own initiative.
Regardless of the law, what is the realistic expectation that a court would take this any more seriously than someone refusing to return WoW gold that was accidentally sent to them?
(I'm asking, not implying anything.)
This is more on the level of an EVE online scam than your petty WoW gold. EVE capital ships that get stolen and ISK from online Madoff scams are valued at tens of thousands of fiat dollars.(I'm asking, not implying anything.)
Heh, way to miss my point. I have no clue what you're talking about, and neither will a judge.
Okay.
I'll tell you exactly what to do. You can probably just sell the to a debt collector, so you won't have to go to Oregon. It's called choose of remedy. You waive the tort and sue in debt on the conversion into money or money's worth. You have such a good amount of evidence because of the confession. He confessed his identity and the act of receiving it and confessed he had no right to it.. It's a slam dunk.
I PM's you but you didn't answer.
I'm sick of thieves and liars. This national kleptocracy has to end.
I can't wait till he is on here whining because he can't pay his rent because his bank account is frozen and his wages are garnished.
Just because the info is out there doesn't mean you need to compile it together for people to harass a guy that did nothing wrong.
You didn't save anyone any time because no one gives a shit besides you.
Its creepy and you look like a stalker. You are not helping your case.
You didn't save anyone any time because no one gives a shit besides you.
Its creepy and you look like a stalker. You are not helping your case.
Okay.
Here we go...
1. Promote pseudo legalese
2. Attack the victim
3.
4. Profit!
What's wrong , the first line of attack failed , so now you guys are now going to trot out a red herring as a distraction? All he did was compile publicly available information and consolidate it in one place. If the dude wasn't a thief he wouldn't have the problems.
1. Promote pseudo legalese
2. Attack the victim
3.
4. Profit!
What's wrong , the first line of attack failed , so now you guys are now going to trot out a red herring as a distraction? All he did was compile publicly available information and consolidate it in one place. If the dude wasn't a thief he wouldn't have the problems.
Hey mizerydearia,
It's pretty fucked up posting people's personal info like that. It proves nothing and makes you look like a dick.
Pretty shitty move man.
It's pretty fucked up posting people's personal info like that. It proves nothing and makes you look like a dick.
Pretty shitty move man.
hmm, I guess I am okay with http://tinyurl.com/looking-like-this even though all the personal info that I accumulated was already on the Internet available for anyone to find out for themselves as well, and I simply saved them maybe an hours worth of time in which each person (take 100 persons as example) spending 1 hour each equals 100 hours of humantime. I guess this effort of saving people this time specific to the case of researching a particular individual specifically in the case where the particular individual was pseudonymous is a 'shitty' thing to do in some (most? all? other?) perspectives.
Just because the info is out there doesn't mean you need to compile it together for people to harass a guy that did nothing wrong.
You didn't save anyone any time because no one gives a shit besides you.
Its creepy and you look like a stalker. You are not helping your case.
Property is determined by value? WTF are you talking about , that is one of the most nonsensical thing I ever heard.
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Bitcoin provides network access. Bitcoins do not. There is nothing intrinsically valuable about a Bitcoin. Your references to market value are invalid because the market is not legally recognized as such. "Value in use" and "value in exchange" are consequently irrelevant. If what you are saying is true legally, then copyright laws wouldn't need to exist as everything would be a form of copyright since anyone could claim that there is value (and thus ownership) associated with anything you generate or type on your computer.
Property is determined by its value, and this value must be proven according to existing law. What you seem to be getting at is that there is an electrical cost associated with the generation of a Bitcoin, and just as the clothmaker would say that there is a manufacturing/time cost associated with the production of the cloth, there is a manufacturing/time cost associated with the production of a Bitcoin. But there is also a manufacturing/time cost associated with anything I type on the internet, on any post, in any text document, etc., yet this information can legally be 'stolen' and exchanged freely without any legal consequence so long as there is no copyright protection. So, the definitions you gave are invalid with regard to certain lawful applications, thus rendering their use in this argument invalid.
Can you send info on the BTC network without Bitcoins? NO! Bitcoins are the access token for the network so you are wrong... again...
Everything else is your opinion and it's not supported by any law. Who are you to determine what is "legally recognized"?
The IRS recognizes "pre-paid access" So again you are wrong.
You say bitcoins have no intrinsic value. Niether to Federal Reserve Notes . The value is extrinsic which is enough to support a contract.
Even a promise which has no intrinsic value is a good and valuable consideration.
Let me ask you what does a notary public do? They authenticate documents.
What does the Bitcoin network do? It authenticates electronic data continuously.
A bitcoin allows access to the authentication system (Bitcoin peer to peer network). Like I said it is an access token.
I didn't say anything about electrical costs , stop flailing...
In Bitcoin didn't have any value every single transaction that ever happened involving them would be fraud. You know that's not true.
Bitcoins let you perform a function which you can not perform without them.
One more thing...
Property is determined by value? WTF are you talking about , that is one of the most nonsensical thing I ever heard.
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Property is nomen generalissimum, and extends to every species of valuable right and interest, including real and personal property, easements, franchises, and other incorporeal hereditaments. Lawrence v. Hennessy, 65 S. W. 717, 719, 165 Mo. 659; Boston & L. R. Corp. v. Salem & L. R. Co., 68 Mass. (2 Gray) 35; Scranton v. Wheeler, 21 Sup. Ct 48, 59, 179 U. S. 141, 45 L. Ed, 12G; Caro v. Metropolitan El. Ry. Co., 46 N. Y. Super. Ct. (14 Jones & S.) 164, 168; Metropolitan City Ry. Co. v. Chicago W. D. Ry. Co., 87 111. 317; Illinois Cent. R. Co. v. Commissioners of Highways of Town of Mattoon, 43 N. E. 1100, 1101, 161 111. 247; Southern Kansas Ry. Co. v. Oklahoma City, 69 Pac. 1050, 12 Okl. 82.
In its modern sense, confined to that which may be touched by the hand or seen by the eye. What is called "tangible property" has come to be, in most great enterprises, but the embodiment physically of an underlying life; a life that in its contribution to success is immeasurably more effective than mere physical embodiment Such, for example, are properties built upon franchises, on grants of government, on good will on trade-names, and the like. It is needless to say that to every Ingredient of property thus made up, the intangible as well as the tangible, that which is discernible to mind only as well as that susceptible to physical touch, equity extends appropriate protection. National Tel. News Co. v. Western Union Tel. Co. (U. S.) 119 Fed. 294, 299, 56 C. C. A. 19S, 60 L. R. A. 805.
In its modern sense, confined to that which may be touched by the hand or seen by the eye. What is called "tangible property" has come to be, in most great enterprises, but the embodiment physically of an underlying life; a life that in its contribution to success is immeasurably more effective than mere physical embodiment Such, for example, are properties built upon franchises, on grants of government, on good will on trade-names, and the like. It is needless to say that to every Ingredient of property thus made up, the intangible as well as the tangible, that which is discernible to mind only as well as that susceptible to physical touch, equity extends appropriate protection. National Tel. News Co. v. Western Union Tel. Co. (U. S.) 119 Fed. 294, 299, 56 C. C. A. 19S, 60 L. R. A. 805.
You sir, do not have a clue what you are talking about. If we were in a strict common law system you would be right. However law was merged with equity after Erie v Tompkins. Property rights are not limited to the physical world. Sorry to burst your bubble. AT this point you are wasting your time ... and mine.
Regardless of the law, what is the realistic expectation that a court would take this any more seriously than someone refusing to return WoW gold that was accidentally sent to them?
(I'm asking, not implying anything.)
This is more on the level of an EVE online scam than your petty WoW gold. EVE capital ships that get stolen and ISK from online Madoff scams are valued at tens of thousands of fiat dollars.(I'm asking, not implying anything.)
Yeah, but those are explicitly legal by the rules of the game. For WoW it would be like accidentally posting a bunch of auctions for 1 copper instead of lots of gold, Blizzard won't give you a refund. Those are the rules of the game.
So what determines the rules for bitcoin? The law or the network? Losing 500 btc may suck for the careless, but I'd rather the network handle it than give the government control.
note to self: never ever piss off Bitcoin Community, and surely do not piss them off big time, but stealing 51% of your coins is okay 
Regardless of the law, what is the realistic expectation that a court would take this any more seriously than someone refusing to return WoW gold that was accidentally sent to them?
(I'm asking, not implying anything.)
This is more on the level of an EVE online scam than your petty WoW gold. EVE capital ships that get stolen and ISK from online Madoff scams are valued at tens of thousands of fiat dollars. (I'm asking, not implying anything.)
Hey mizerydearia,
It's pretty fucked up posting people's personal info like that. It proves nothing and makes you look like a dick.
Pretty shitty move man.
It's pretty fucked up posting people's personal info like that. It proves nothing and makes you look like a dick.
Pretty shitty move man.
hmm, I guess I am okay with http://tinyurl.com/looking-like-this even though all the personal info that I accumulated was already on the Internet available for anyone to find out for themselves as well, and I simply saved them maybe an hours worth of time in which each person (take 100 persons as example) spending 1 hour each equals 100 hours of humantime. I guess this effort of saving people this time specific to the case of researching a particular individual specifically in the case where the particular individual was pseudonymous is a 'shitty' thing to do in some (most? all? other?) perspectives.
Only when BTCs are purchased for USD or some other property that has human value does the BTC become the property of humans.
If this is true, then if a human initiates the sale of the bitcoins owned by the computer, then that is theft and the computer would have been victimized by the criminal human.
Haha true though computers don't have rights under current law. It's an iffy scenario. Of course, one could argue that they own the computer and thus any work done by the computer they own is also theirs. But, it's interesting that then the 'work' is being confirmed by other computers who are also owned by other individuals, but not by the individuals themselves.
Nonetheless, I can write a basic java program to do 'work' as well...such as running a simple script to generate, say, a list of integers from 1-1000 by increments of 2 (i.e. 2,4,6,8....1000). Do these numbers have value? If I mistakenly send this list to another individual (i.e. the product of the work done), do I have the legal right to reclaim it? Mind you, I have no copyright for this list, just as BTCs are not under copyright.
Hey mizerydearia,
It's pretty fucked up posting people's personal info like that. It proves nothing and makes you look like a dick.
Pretty shitty move man.
It's pretty fucked up posting people's personal info like that. It proves nothing and makes you look like a dick.
Pretty shitty move man.
In UK I am almost certain that small claims court would rule in favour of claimant. I would not even bother talking to a legal bod about this. Just would file money claim online and follow the procedure. Would also prepare a few expert witness affidavits. In Oregon your mileage may vary, obviously.
No doubt it would be the same result. An affidavit that you previously sold BTC for currency and product would prove the value.
This seriously isn't even a close call.
The thieves and his apologist are trying to convince themselves so they don't piss their own pants.
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