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Topic: Exchange accidentally sent 512 bitcoins after coding error - page 7. (Read 35497 times)

legendary
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Each US dollar has it's own individual serial number, but the US dollar is recognized as having value because it is legal tender for all goods and services public or private.  There is no such legal staple for Bitcoin.

Nor gold, heirlooms, sheep or socks. That's completely irrelevant as to how something gets valued.

You're not even a good troll.


You are taking one sentence that I wrote and analyzing it in isolation from the rest.  The rest explains why Bitcoin is different than gold, or heirlooms, or sheep, or socks.
full member
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Wasn't that supposedly figured out and the issue is done with? I don't see Bruce on here organizing anything anymore.

Post the log, and post the takers personal details.  That is the only recourse and some of these so called 'nerds' can cause some serious havok if the want to.  Need I mention lulz?  They did quite amazing things and accepted bitcoin donations.





lulz has what to do with this forum again?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Here we go...

1. Promote pseudo legalese
2. Attack the victim
3. Huh
4. Profit!


What's wrong , the first line of attack failed , so now you guys are now  going to trot out a red herring as a distraction? All he did was compile publicly available information and consolidate it in one place. If the dude wasn't a thief he wouldn't have the problems.

Out of curiosity, do we know for absolute certain that the Intersango guy didn't simply create multiple user names on chat, an account on Intersango, and send the coins to himself and then "argue" with himself and try to convince us all that he was really the victim and not the profiteer?

$4,000+ is a fair sum of cash, and with all the scams going on nowadays...

Just making sure and wondering if anyone considered it.
Intersango have already stated they will cover all lost customer funds, so no, I don't see this theory being plausible.

I am still not taking sides, but this logic is just too ridiculous not to make fun of...By your reckoning, he can cover the 'lost funds' so there is no way that he still may control the 'lost funds'.
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
Has someone informed him already that he has the right to remain silent?
I have a feeling that during his self-incriminating posts, he also may have began reading the actuall Law Quotes other members posted, as opposed to the peanut-gallery's "yah, No, Uh uh, Uhu" .....then changed his tune quite quickly.
newbie
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well that was quite an entertaining read
hero member
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Has someone informed him already that he has the right to remain silent?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
I heart thebaron
So, while everyone has been busy debating Law & Morality, it seems as though DLowDAOG a.k.a Ben Davis has disappeared from the thread. His last post can be seen on page 10 (if using default view for page #'s).
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dlowdaog-40806  <----Link to his posts in his profile.

I realize that his last words here were "WRONG!!!!!!!!!!  No one is getting scared." , but can I assume from his absense, or atleast the absense of new posts from him specifically, that he IS actually scared now ?
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THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE

Ben Davis debt in rem remains
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Wasn't that supposedly figured out and the issue is done with? I don't see Bruce on here organizing anything anymore.

Post the log, and post the takers personal details.  That is the only recourse and some of these so called 'nerds' can cause some serious havok if the want to.  Need I mention lulz?  They did quite amazing things and accepted bitcoin donations.



full member
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Merit: 100

You could always just go old school and just go to his house and kick his ass.  Of course then he'll call the police on you but
at least you'll feel satisfaction.  Release his full info out into the bitcoin community and oh woe the retaliation. He will be wishing he sent the bitcoins back.

Karma is a beotch.

Yes a bunch of nerds who couldn't even figure out Bruce was a scammer is gonna do anything.  
sr. member
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LOL "this dispute can be solved in a court of this or a court of that, lawyer this, lawyer that blahh blahh"

This incident was solved the moment those BTC got sent to bendavis, Its OVER, Its done with.

THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE THE BTC IS GONE
full member
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indio007,

You're missing one major aspect of your "Contract"

When you click send or put your crappy up script in the live environment you are agreeing to transact in an anonymous, irreversible, trust-less transaction. Your contract is implied and self enforcing and thus you are not getting your BitCoins back nor do you deserve to. It really doesn't matter that the doggie ate your homework and the last thing BitCoin needs is a pile of lawyers kicking down doors so to find "stolen" bitcoins.





There is no implied contract until there is a consideration from both parties. However even if there was the presumption of a contract the fact would be rebuttable by evidence. Such as the confession of the receiver. No one is going to kick down his door and seize bitcoins  because he already sold them, so  once again bittalk.org become the home of the red herring. What the courts will do is make him pay for his ill-gotten gain.

Bitcoins are not anonymous BTW.

I love how people keep draggin the government into this as if they are a party to the dispute. They aren't ,there are two people involved. One demands justice. The other demands free profit at the expense of another. The government is supposed to be a neutral third party acting to ensure a fair result to the dispute. Like I said before , we can go to self help justice and start taking pounds of flesh instead. I 100% certain that if that happened you would be crying "Where is the gov't to protect us?"
full member
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It is just the all out 'jackassholessnesss" of the receiver of the 512 that is captured in the log that deserves some
backlash.  Yes, the sender screwed up and technically, those bitcoins are gone because of his mistake and the nature of bitcoin, but the log captures the receiver admitting and taunting the sender.

If you go to a store and by something and the guy actually gives you back the wrong change... this has happened to me a few times... one time I kept it not knowing, till later, one time I gave it back because I know the store owner and immediately realized and he was a nice guy and I couldn't feel right about taking it....  it's a completely another thing if I gave the store owner a $10, he gave me change thinking it was $100, but then realized right there, and I not only refused to give it back, but I taunted him, and the whole thing was documented on tape.

newbie
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If it's WWII Germany and a Jewish person is hiding in a sewer when a German soldier drops HIS Gold coin down such said sewer.

Is the Jew morally required to destroy his anonymity and secrecy to give the German back his coin?   I mean contract law says it belongs to the German. Doesn't it? Of course not, this is rubbish.

BitCoin is supposed to be anonymous. "Sender Beware" You morally can't compel anyone to even acknowledge such said receipt. What me? I don't even own a bitcoin account. What is bitcoin? My email/computer/life was hacked.

full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100

You could always just go old school and just go to his house and kick his ass.  Of course then he'll call the police on you but
at least you'll feel satisfaction.  Release his full info out into the bitcoin community and oh woe the retaliation. He will be wishing he sent the bitcoins back.

Karma is a beotch.






legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1035
All you people bitching about keeping government out of Bitcoin, you're forgetting that a legal system for solving didputes =/= government. I agree with Vladimir, that this seems like a case of contract law and tort, and is a pretty clear cut case. Even in a purely anarcho-capitalist society this dispute can be solved in a private legal court or through arbitration. Also, if you want capitalism, you need business, and if you want business, you need an environment where parties can trust each other and have ways to solve disputes. Up to you Bitcoin anarchists to figure out how that should work, but personally, I think (private?) courts and arbitrage would work well.

That being said, I'd love to see this end up in court and the defendant lose. Maybe that would even set a precedent for the similar situation that happened at MtGox, and allow them to pursue recovery if the money they lost to that withdrawal hasn't been recovered yet.
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This could be a fun game. Tell this forum that you "accidentally" sent a few bitcoins to a address and then see if the lemmings will help you find that person. We could really test how anonymous this system is. I say we find this guy and serve him and make sure to use the correct citation or else we might get yelled out of BitCourt.

That might be a fun game.  I like the one we're playing now though.  You know, the one where the receiver has already admitted to both receiving the coins, understanding they were not intentionally appropriated to him,  and selling them while inside a jurisdiction that interprets that as theft.
newbie
Activity: 4
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You're missing one major aspect of your "Contract"

When you click send or put your crappy up script in the live environment you are agreeing to transact in an anonymous, irreversible, trust-less transaction. Your contract is implied and self enforcing and thus you are not getting your BitCoins back nor do you deserve to. It really doesn't matter that the doggie ate your homework and the last thing BitCoin needs is a pile of lawyers kicking down doors so to find "stolen" bitcoins.



You're missing one major aspect of your "Replying"

When you reply by hitting 'post' or just put crappy words together in a row in the live environment you are agreeing to be mocked if you can't back up your assertions with any citations.  Your 'reply' is self enforcing and thus you aren't getting any of your credibility back nor do you deserve to.  It really doesn't matter that you didn't read the whole thread and the last thing Critical Thinking needs is a pile of pretend-lawyers making fools of themselves to "correct" others.

This could be a fun game. Tell this forum that you "accidentally" sent a few bitcoins to a address and then see if the lemmings will help you find that person. We could really test how anonymous this system is. I say we find this guy and serve him and make sure to use the correct citation or else we might get yelled out of BitCourt.
hero member
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The only reason why "pile of lawyers [is not] kicking down doors so to find stolen bitcoins" is because 1 BTC does not worth 10 000 USD just yet.
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