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All dumper are crazy

As soon as the mining dumpers that have to pay for electricity are out of the system the investors can take over. A high network mining hash rate is not important because you can have the same block rate with 1 CPU at low difficulty vs a gazillion quintillion terra has rate at super high difficulty. What is important is to gave the coin in the hands of many investors.  There must be an average hash rate for mining but many exchanges with high volumes of trading for the coin so that there can be liquidity.  The highest risk of a new coin are many miners mining for profit because miners are the dumpers on small exchanges with low volumes causing the value of coins to be low.  Investors know how to work a market so that there is not high volatility and investors know better than to just dump. A new coin must just get through the first few weeks without being killed by profit mining dumpers and Bob's your uncle.
Being  killed by profit mining dumpers,Is EXE possible or not?

Perhaps these dumpers have no idea what is coming on inside next months. (Scrypt ASIC's )

I start this by admitting that I am new to this game, and have limited experience and knowledge of how the market forces come together to give value to coins.

I am a miner with about 8K hash power (n-scrypt) and I have been mining EXE these last days because instinctively it felt a good coin and the thought of the ASICS scares the begeebies out of me. I started mining before the price fall, and even bought some coins too. I continue to mine and hold, waiting for better times as everyone seems to think will come. But then I find myself asking questions about the coins future and I cant see how its going to work. So if anyone with a better grasp of things than me can explain how this all hangs together I would appreciate it : My thinking goes like this.

- At some point in the future the scrypt ASICs will hit the market in significant quantities, causing the difficulty of scrypt coins to rocket. This will ultimately make scrypt mining pointless for GPU based systems.

- Those people who choose not to sell off their kit on EBAY will turn to n-scrypt coins such as EXE or VERT, whilst those who have invested in the ASICS will be committed to staying with scrypt coins.

OK - this is clear enough, but what I don't get is why EXE will benifit.

If all the enormous GPU HASH power currently out there suddenly focuses on EXE then surely this will cause EXE difficulty to go through the roof, whereas the scrypt coins loose the GPU mining, to be replaced by ASICS, but share this additonal HASH power over all the scrypt coin, thus lessening its impact.

Also what is stopping the introduction of shed loads of new n-scrypt coins over the coming months that compete directly with EXE and might offer other innovative features, as yet un-thought of, that make EXE as an early adopter of n-scrypt look lacking in some way or other.

Truth is I'm confused and don't know which way to jump ....

Any thoughts welcome.
 
hero member
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All dumper are crazy

As soon as the mining dumpers that have to pay for electricity are out of the system the investors can take over. A high network mining hash rate is not important because you can have the same block rate with 1 CPU at low difficulty vs a gazillion quintillion terra has rate at super high difficulty. What is important is to gave the coin in the hands of many investors.  There must be an average hash rate for mining but many exchanges with high volumes of trading for the coin so that there can be liquidity.  The highest risk of a new coin are many miners mining for profit because miners are the dumpers on small exchanges with low volumes causing the value of coins to be low.  Investors know how to work a market so that there is not high volatility and investors know better than to just dump. A new coin must just get through the first few weeks without being killed by profit mining dumpers and Bob's your uncle.
Being  killed by profit mining dumpers,Is EXE possible or not?

Perhaps these dumpers have no idea what is coming on inside next months. (Scrypt ASIC's )

Yeah EXE will rise as soon as ACIS takes over the scrypt mining and there is lots of hashing power left that only can be used to mine a few coins. Also there is almost no BTC trading and altcoins especially are dependent on BTC price.. As soon as BTC strarts to rise, witch it will soon after that MtGox story, altcoins will rise even more. That's my analyse.   
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All dumper are crazy

As soon as the mining dumpers that have to pay for electricity are out of the system the investors can take over. A high network mining hash rate is not important because you can have the same block rate with 1 CPU at low difficulty vs a gazillion quintillion terra has rate at super high difficulty. What is important is to gave the coin in the hands of many investors.  There must be an average hash rate for mining but many exchanges with high volumes of trading for the coin so that there can be liquidity.  The highest risk of a new coin are many miners mining for profit because miners are the dumpers on small exchanges with low volumes causing the value of coins to be low.  Investors know how to work a market so that there is not high volatility and investors know better than to just dump. A new coin must just get through the first few weeks without being killed by profit mining dumpers and Bob's your uncle.
Being  killed by profit mining dumpers,Is EXE possible or not?

Perhaps these dumpers have no idea what is coming on inside next months. (Scrypt ASIC's )
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I have issues with http://exe.poolz.net/ , not receiving any confirmation email and unable to contact them via the form. Anyone in the same case ?

Contact form is OK (just checked).
Please don't forget to check spam/junk folder for confirmation e-mail.
Please PM me with a description of a problem, and mention your e-mail used for registration.
sr. member
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No power in the 'verse can stop me.
Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad

  I had same problem. GPUs off,  you just need 8mb of ram, then all works.

      The funny thing is when I'm mining, I look the system memory and I'm just using 1.6 mb,  so I dont understand why 4mb not enough.



This BS is pure voodoo Tongue  lol

This was my problem too. Using 7950s, no indication my system was using the 4gb it had....  putting in 8gb worked for me. Sweet. So I played with settings a little bit, then left it sit to mine. Done and done.

BUT.... One gpu died so I restarted the system, and now it doesn't work anymore.
newbie
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 -I 13 -w 256 -g 2 --lookup-gap 2 --gpu-powertune -20 --gpu-engine 1022

--gpu-memclock 1500,1500,1500 --thread-concurrency 8192 --temp-target 70 --temp-cutoff 90 --gpu-fan 25-80

getting 350+ on gigabyte r9 280

hope it helps


cryptsy trade key : 0ffa9ba6b6678fa96e23da5c18205fdfe58c9f96
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i hope bter will add exe this week  Tongue

You better hope NOT, or the price will dive.
sr. member
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There is a day to be born, and another to die
All dumper are crazy

As soon as the mining dumpers that have to pay for electricity are out of the system the investors can take over. A high network mining hash rate is not important because you can have the same block rate with 1 CPU at low difficulty vs a gazillion quintillion terra has rate at super high difficulty. What is important is to gave the coin in the hands of many investors.  There must be an average hash rate for mining but many exchanges with high volumes of trading for the coin so that there can be liquidity.  The highest risk of a new coin are many miners mining for profit because miners are the dumpers on small exchanges with low volumes causing the value of coins to be low.  Investors know how to work a market so that there is not high volatility and investors know better than to just dump. A new coin must just get through the first few weeks without being killed by profit mining dumpers and Bob's your uncle.
Being  killed by profit mining dumpers,Is EXE possible or not?
newbie
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Join a P2P Pool

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newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad

  I had same problem. GPUs off,  you just need 8mb of ram, then all works.

      The funny thing is when I'm mining, I look the system memory and I'm just using 1.6 mb,  so I dont understand why 4mb not enough.



I was just about to task does having more than 4gb ram actually make a difference?


It only does when you use the onboard graphics (included in your processor). Just tested this yesterday. I have 3x 280x (Dual-X) running and 4GB memory is enough without getting any HW errors. As soon as I allocated memory to the onboard GPU (just to make it work), one of the GPU's stopped because of low mem.

So I'm guessing you need 4GB of RAM per 3 280x's.

And what settings do you use? Alot of people suggest 1000/1500 clock speeds. 8192 TC w256.  but my GPU1 always gets HW.  changing the TC more then 8191 or 8193 gives me huge amounts of HW, reductions in I kills the kh/s. really no idea what to do next

my 280 gets 320-380Khs with 1030/1500,  Intensity 13, 8192 TC.



 
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Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad

  I had same problem. GPUs off,  you just need 8mb of ram, then all works.

      The funny thing is when I'm mining, I look the system memory and I'm just using 1.6 mb,  so I dont understand why 4mb not enough.



I was just about to task does having more than 4gb ram actually make a difference?


It only does when you use the onboard graphics (included in your processor). Just tested this yesterday. I have 3x 280x (Dual-X) running and 4GB memory is enough without getting any HW errors. As soon as I allocated memory to the onboard GPU (just to make it work), one of the GPU's stopped because of low mem.

So I'm guessing you need 4GB of RAM per 3 280x's.

And what settings do you use? Alot of people suggest 1000/1500 clock speeds. 8192 TC w256.  but my GPU1 always gets HW.  changing the TC more then 8191 or 8193 gives me huge amounts of HW, reductions in I kills the kh/s. really no idea what to do next
member
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Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad

  I had same problem. GPUs off,  you just need 8mb of ram, then all works.

      The funny thing is when I'm mining, I look the system memory and I'm just using 1.6 mb,  so I dont understand why 4mb not enough.



I was just about to task does having more than 4gb ram actually make a difference?


It only does when you use the onboard graphics (included in your processor). Just tested this yesterday. I have 3x 280x (Dual-X) running and 4GB memory is enough without getting any HW errors. As soon as I allocated memory to the onboard GPU (just to make it work), one of the GPU's stopped because of low mem.

So I'm guessing you need 4GB of RAM per 3 280x's.
newbie
Activity: 39
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Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad

  I had same problem. GPUs off,  you just need 8mb of ram, then all works.

      The funny thing is when I'm mining, I look the system memory and I'm just using 1.6 mb,  so I dont understand why 4mb not enough.



I was just about to task does having more than 4gb ram actually make a difference?


If you have R9 290 video cards, it won't go pass the 8193 TC unless you have 8Gb of memory. With 8Gb you can up TC to around 24000 and get 400-450Khs

R9 280 i get around 350Khs - that's with 4Gb of memory

newbie
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Make sure you run a 64-bit OS even if you have 4GB or less memory, because of GPU memory.
member
Activity: 107
Merit: 10
Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad

  I had same problem. GPUs off,  you just need 8mb of ram, then all works.

      The funny thing is when I'm mining, I look the system memory and I'm just using 1.6 mb,  so I dont understand why 4mb not enough.



I was just about to task does having more than 4gb ram actually make a difference?
newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad

  I had same problem. GPUs off,  you just need 8mb of ram, then all works.

      The funny thing is when I'm mining, I look the system memory and I'm just using 1.6 mb,  so I dont understand why 4mb not enough.

newbie
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I just did a quick test on coinedup to see what was going on. The buy price was at 0.00006689 with a few sell prices between 0.00007 and 0.0009. With 0.25BTC i slowly upped the sell price to 0.000095 and a few small buy prices around 0.000075, but while doing so someone dumped 2000 @ 0.00006689 again.
Clearly some big miner is manipulating the price very low, probably to scare other miners while keeping the difficulty low.
My advice is to mine the coin only if you can afford to keep it longer, and buy low when you can. Be prepared for very low prices while that miner is doing his manipulating.
And the price is back at 0.0000675 Sad
Don't sell and give that manipulator what he wants, just hold or go mine some other coin.
There are 3-4 miners with 150k+ exe, they dumped, 100% information. Just w8 and hold.
member
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Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad


I have the r9 290 (3 of them)

here is my bat file I get 400-410 khs per card this way

vertminer-0.5.2

color 0A

setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS 1

cgminer.exe --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://east1.us.stratum.dedicatedpool.com:3369 -u xxxxxx.3 -p xxxxxxxxx -s 1 --intensity 19,19,19 --thread-concurrency 24550 --worksize 512 -g 1 --temp-target 90 --gpu-fan 90,90,90 --lookup-gap 2 --gpu-threads 1
member
Activity: 107
Merit: 10
Guys, try the latest 0.5.4pre2 version of Vertminer: http://www.mediafire.com/download/533i8bag5fu2f2k/VertMiner-0.5.4pre2.7z

Don't set anything but --shaders and intensity, and let it configure itself, and don't forget it's not --scrypt but --Nscrypt.

My line:

vertminer --nscrypt -I 18 --shaders 2560  -o server -u username -p password

well that totally didn't work for me. GPUs won't even start like that, trying the miner out, but having to put in all the settings again, this nscrypt does seem like pure voodoo like that guy said Sad
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