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I'm still sad no one will bet me 2BTC that BFL won't even catch up on Jalapenos.

What? No one wants to give me free BTC for nothing?

you never replied to my request for you to clarify the bet.

Will

Oh, I was waiting for a PM if anyone was serious! Between all the PMs I send & receive daily from my GB forum services, I have way too many threads active to pay attn. to all but the most important ones. Hahaha, I really didn't think anyone would take me up on the bet but yeah if someone is willing:

I'd be willing to bet 2BTC that by the end of September, BFL *DOES NOT* clear their backlogs of Jalapenos which is their fastest shipping model.

I'm confident enough to bet on that (even knowing the other bettor could be a BFL employee or insider).

define 'backlog'.  There's been several attempts in this thread.

Will
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I'm still sad no one will bet me 2BTC that BFL won't even catch up on Jalapenos.

What? No one wants to give me free BTC for nothing?

you never replied to my request for you to clarify the bet.

Will

Oh, I was waiting for a PM if anyone was serious! Between all the PMs I send & receive daily from my GB forum services & my posting activity, I have way too many threads active to pay attn. to all but the most important ones. Hahaha, I really didn't think anyone would take me up on the bet but yeah if someone is willing:

I'd be willing to bet 2BTC that by the end of September, BFL *DOES NOT* clear their backlogs of Jalapenos which is their fastest shipping model.

I'm confident enough to bet on that (even knowing the other bettor could be a BFL employee, insider, or even Sunny or Josh via sock).
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I'm still sad no one will bet me 2BTC that BFL won't even catch up on Jalapenos.

What? No one wants to give me free BTC for nothing?

you never replied to my request for you to clarify the bet.

Will
I agree, fully define your backlog.
hero member
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I'm still sad no one will bet me 2BTC that BFL won't even catch up on Jalapenos.

What? No one wants to give me free BTC for nothing?

you never replied to my request for you to clarify the bet.

Will
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I'm still sad no one will bet me 2BTC that BFL won't even catch up on Jalapenos.

What? No one wants to give me free BTC for nothing?
legendary
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The point is that when BFL gives us a date, they fail to meet it.

That much you can count on.
legendary
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The original quote from BFL_Josh regarding the clearing of orders by September.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html

"We still expect the current back order backlog to be cleared by the middle of September or so"

Nary a "pre" anywhere in that sentence.  Wink
"We still expect"  not "WE absolutely 100% will".

Unless Josh himself tells us what this back order backlog term MEANT, it's still a guess and it's still semantics.

He was talking about orders and backlogs, thus he used the words orders and backlogs. There is no room for misinterpretation, his statement was quite clear.
The point is that when BFL gives us a date, they fail to meet it.
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The original quote from BFL_Josh regarding the clearing of orders by September.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html

"We still expect the current back order backlog to be cleared by the middle of September or so"

Nary a "pre" anywhere in that sentence.  Wink
"We still expect"  not "WE absolutely 100% will".

Unless Josh himself tells us what this back order backlog term MEANT, it's still a guess and it's still semantics.
legendary
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The original quote from BFL_Josh regarding the clearing of orders by September.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html

"We still expect the current back order backlog to be cleared by the middle of September or so"

Nary a "pre" anywhere in that sentence.  Wink
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OMG... would part one be..... PREORDERS?!?!?!?

They won't make the end of September even with what you call Pre-Orders.

They have 252 days of Singles they have to get done (July 27 2012 to April 1st 2013)
Not counting the other product lines to get done in 28 days.

9 days of orders per day have to be cleared assuming they are working 7 days a week. (they are not) so more like 12 days
Since I already said I doubted the Single pre-orders would be caught up by Sept 30, does that me you agree with me?
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by BFL_Jody  , 07-20-2013 at 06:36 AM (6014 Views)
BFL Products after the FPGA Series:

Part One--NOW Shipping

Jalapenos 4.5 gh/s

Jalapeno with Upgrade 6.5 gh/s

Little Singles 30 gh/s

Singles 60 gh/s

MiniRigs 1500 gh/s (which come as 3x500 gh/s or 8 Singles)

Part Two--Order NOW

5 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after Jalapenos are all shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 7 gh/s Miner

25 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all Little Singles are shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 30 gh/s Miner

50 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all Singles are shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 60 gh/s Miner

500 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all MiniRigs have shipped)"


This is from one of jodys blogs. They plan on clearing part 1 of the miners by the end of september. Jalapenos are almost cleared =) once they are cleared am pretty sure they will start focusing on the singles.
OMG... would part one be..... PREORDERS?!?!?!?

They won't make the end of September even with what you call Pre-Orders.

They have 252 days of Singles they have to get done (July 27 2012 to April 1st 2013)
Not counting the other product lines to get done in 28 days.

9 days of orders per day have to be cleared assuming they are working 7 days a week. (they are not) so more like 12 days

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Rating: 4 votes, 4.00 average.
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by BFL_Jody  , 07-20-2013 at 06:36 AM (6014 Views)
BFL Products after the FPGA Series:

Part One--NOW Shipping

Jalapenos 4.5 gh/s

Jalapeno with Upgrade 6.5 gh/s

Little Singles 30 gh/s

Singles 60 gh/s

MiniRigs 1500 gh/s (which come as 3x500 gh/s or 8 Singles)

Part Two--Order NOW

5 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after Jalapenos are all shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 7 gh/s Miner

25 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all Little Singles are shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 30 gh/s Miner

50 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all Singles are shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 60 gh/s Miner

500 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all MiniRigs have shipped)"


This is from one of jodys blogs. They plan on clearing part 1 of the miners by the end of september. Jalapenos are almost cleared =) once they are cleared am pretty sure they will start focusing on the singles.
OMG... would part one be..... PREORDERS?!?!?!?
newbie
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"Saturday Comments on Product Line
Rating: 4 votes, 4.00 average.
57 Comments
by BFL_Jody  , 07-20-2013 at 06:36 AM (6014 Views)
BFL Products after the FPGA Series:

Part One--NOW Shipping

Jalapenos 4.5 gh/s

Jalapeno with Upgrade 6.5 gh/s

Little Singles 30 gh/s

Singles 60 gh/s

MiniRigs 1500 gh/s (which come as 3x500 gh/s or 8 Singles)

Part Two--Order NOW

5 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after Jalapenos are all shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 7 gh/s Miner

25 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all Little Singles are shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 30 gh/s Miner

50 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all Singles are shipped)
with Upgrade it's a 60 gh/s Miner

500 gh/s BitCoin Miner (will ship after all MiniRigs have shipped)"


This is from one of jodys blogs. They plan on clearing part 1 of the miners by the end of september. Jalapenos are almost cleared =) once they are cleared am pretty sure they will start focusing on the singles.
legendary
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Yep, they sucked at their supply chain and they sucked at efficiently getting their product to market.  But they never quit and they never walked away.

Why would they quit when there were millions more to be fleeced via Monarch?
As long as people are willing to donate to BFL, they will be around.
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Here is exactly what he said:

by BFL_Josh ,6-03-2013, 05:06 PM
I would like to be through the backorder log and shipping out current orders within 90 days. No guarantees there, but I think we should be able to accomplish it.

#END QUOTE#

So his first swing at bat was "backorder log" not pre-order within 90 days of June 3rd (September 3rd) which will be a fail tomorrow.

So as I dissect word for word using your definition, Josh wanted to have all Backorders shipped by September 3rd.

Backorders are everything ordered up until September 3rd or am I twisting words again?
Of has this "A backorder is an order that cannot be currently filled or shipped" changed in meaning since your last posting?


As I am not Josh, I have no idea what he meant in terms of back-order log and current orders.  Since I did not order until Jun 5th, I did not expect my order to fall into that hope.

Since you are kind enough to have quoted it:  He starts with "I would like to be".  I don't see "We will"... do you?

He also mentions "No guarantees there".  But hey, he's given a timeline, it MUST be set in stone.

Right, but if he meant what YOUR definition is then you would expect your unit in September YES?

Listen, I get there are no guarantees in anything Josh says, in fact in my book the answer to the question:
How do you know when Josh is wrong?  Answer:When he communicates with customers.

Unlike others, I don't think he is a liar, I think he is incompetent.

I am just trying to light a fire under this sorry ass company. Do I expect them to even get to April 2013 on all product lines by the end of this month? Hell NO!  By October the stuff they will be delivering will be as close to paperweights as possible.


Time is of the essence despite Josh telling us that they are the only ones shipping stuff we know that is untrue and their products get more worthless with every passing day?
TBH, no, I never expected my order to be filled by Sept.  On Jun 5th, they were shipping Jalapenos from July the year before.  I had already looked at the spreadsheet where many users posted their orders and I knew that Mar/Apr encompassed over 50% of the totals orders including mine.  I mentioned elsewhere that I had sat down and looked at options.  The main question was one of "What can I reasonably afford?".  At that point in time, there were the occasionaly blade auctions for 50BTC, the USB erupters could be had for ~$250 ($400 if you had to use E-Bay) or the Jalapeno.  While I would have loved to get a blade, $6250 was out of my price range, and no one else offerred anything under $1,000.  Between my 2 choices, I saw $24 more for 15x the output and an interminable wait vs replacing my GPU for about the same cost but with much less power usage.

The problem here is that the more time that goes by, the more people's eyes are opened.  No one last Jun predicted what would happen to the network speed from all the orders that were placed.  I however did have a fairly clear picture when I made my purchase.  If you look at: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2796548 you will see that even back in July I was already commenting on how people had their eyes closed to the increase.  "potential profit" is such BS... So many people saw their little ASIC as being the only on that would be on the network and blinded themselves to the truth.

Now, today is a slightly different story.  With all of the concerns going, there is a tsunami coming and the current network difficulty will be swept away leaving people round eyed and shaking.  At this point in time, BFL's past problems are being magnified and more people are upset.  Yet, through all the abuse and hatred and vitriol, they are still there sending out product as fast as they can put it together.

Yep, they sucked at their supply chain and they sucked at efficiently getting their product to market.  But they never quit and they never walked away.
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As I am not Josh, I have no idea what he meant in terms of back-order log and current orders.  Since I did not order until Jun 5th, I did not expect my order to fall into that hope.

Since you are kind enough to have quoted it:  He starts with "I would like to be".  I don't see "We will"... do you?

He also mentions "No guarantees there".  But hey, he's given a timeline, it MUST be set in stone.

How about this, quoted from after you placed your order.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/off-topic/3157-true-notice-warning-new-customers-butterfly-labs-inc-bfl.html#post39444

06-09-2013
Quote from: BFL_Josh
All current back orders will hopefully be shipped by the end of August/beginning of September.

It's one thing to have a timeline set in stone. It's another to miss every single estimated delivery date. Sooner or later you'll come to the realization that every comment by Josh is purposefully meant to mislead his customers.

While I hear you, I have to disagree, I really don't think he is trying to mislead, he is just incompetent.
He has not a clue as to what is going on, he has no supply chain management, vendor management or contract management skills, because if he did we would have inventory in hand.

legendary
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As I am not Josh, I have no idea what he meant in terms of back-order log and current orders.  Since I did not order until Jun 5th, I did not expect my order to fall into that hope.

Since you are kind enough to have quoted it:  He starts with "I would like to be".  I don't see "We will"... do you?

He also mentions "No guarantees there".  But hey, he's given a timeline, it MUST be set in stone.

How about this, quoted from after you placed your order.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/off-topic/3157-true-notice-warning-new-customers-butterfly-labs-inc-bfl.html#post39444

06-09-2013
Quote from: BFL_Josh
All current back orders will hopefully be shipped by the end of August/beginning of September.

It's one thing to have a timeline set in stone. It's another to miss every single estimated delivery date. Sooner or later you'll come to the realization that every comment by Josh is purposefully meant to mislead his customers.
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Here is exactly what he said:

by BFL_Josh ,6-03-2013, 05:06 PM
I would like to be through the backorder log and shipping out current orders within 90 days. No guarantees there, but I think we should be able to accomplish it.

#END QUOTE#

So his first swing at bat was "backorder log" not pre-order within 90 days of June 3rd (September 3rd) which will be a fail tomorrow.

So as I dissect word for word using your definition, Josh wanted to have all Backorders shipped by September 3rd.

Backorders are everything ordered up until September 3rd or am I twisting words again?
Of has this "A backorder is an order that cannot be currently filled or shipped" changed in meaning since your last posting?


As I am not Josh, I have no idea what he meant in terms of back-order log and current orders.  Since I did not order until Jun 5th, I did not expect my order to fall into that hope.

Since you are kind enough to have quoted it:  He starts with "I would like to be".  I don't see "We will"... do you?

He also mentions "No guarantees there".  But hey, he's given a timeline, it MUST be set in stone.

Right, but if he meant what YOUR definition is then you would expect your unit in September YES?

Listen, I get there are no guarantees in anything Josh says, in fact in my book the answer to the question:
How do you know when Josh is wrong?  Answer:When he communicates with customers.

Unlike others, I don't think he is a liar, I think he is incompetent.

I am just trying to light a fire under this sorry ass company. Do I expect them to even get to April 2013 on all product lines by the end of this month? Hell NO!  By October the stuff they will be delivering will be as close to paperweights as possible.


Time is of the essence despite Josh telling us that they are the only ones shipping stuff we know that is untrue and their products get more worthless with every passing day?
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Here is exactly what he said:

by BFL_Josh ,6-03-2013, 05:06 PM
I would like to be through the backorder log and shipping out current orders within 90 days. No guarantees there, but I think we should be able to accomplish it.

#END QUOTE#

So his first swing at bat was "backorder log" not pre-order within 90 days of June 3rd (September 3rd) which will be a fail tomorrow.

So as I dissect word for word using your definition, Josh wanted to have all Backorders shipped by September 3rd.

Backorders are everything ordered up until September 3rd or am I twisting words again?
Of has this "A backorder is an order that cannot be currently filled or shipped" changed in meaning since your last posting?


As I am not Josh, I have no idea what he meant in terms of back-order log and current orders.  Since I did not order until Jun 5th, I did not expect my order to fall into that hope.

Since you are kind enough to have quoted it:  He starts with "I would like to be".  I don't see "We will"... do you?

He also mentions "No guarantees there".  But hey, he's given a timeline, it MUST be set in stone.
hero member
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Here is exactly what he said:

by BFL_Josh ,6-03-2013, 05:06 PM
I would like to be through the backorder log and shipping out current orders within 90 days. No guarantees there, but I think we should be able to accomplish it.

#END QUOTE#

So his first swing at bat was "backorder log" not pre-order within 90 days of June 3rd (September 3rd) which will be a fail tomorrow.

So as I dissect word for word using your definition, Josh wanted to have all Backorders shipped by September 3rd.

Backorders are everything ordered up until September 3rd or am I twisting words again?
Of has this "A backorder is an order that cannot be currently filled or shipped" changed in meaning since your last posting?

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