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You can't "Ship to order" if there are still 5 months of orders ahead of you.

If you aren't Josh how do you explain making statements like this?  You are clearly caught in the BFL vortex.
Or the Josh Reality Distortion field.
A Pre-Order by definition is paying for something that does not yet exist.

If you use your definition then everything that was shipped after the prototype of the first Jalapeno is not a pre-order. (which is crap)

if they have the parts (which they rarely do) and they haven't built my unit within a week or two after I order it, it's a pre-order.

When I can order (hahaha) something from BFL and get delivery in a week or two, then the backlog is cleared.

That's the difference between JIT manufacturing and Pre-Orders.
 
It's amazing how Butterfly labs all by themselves have blazed new paradigms in customer service, the definition of words like Pre-order, Sale, etc. No other company compares
Wow, since I am not a rabid syncophant denouncing BFL and choose instead to *use* the brains I own, I am either Josh or brainwashed.  Sorry dude, I am not caught in anything.

Ok, so I should have said 3) Back Order, I did make a technical mistake there.  Orders were placed for an item that could not yet be shipped, thus becoming back-ordered.
You however are still mistaking a pre-order and a back-order.  
A pre-order is an order placed for an item which has not yet been released.
A backorder is an order that cannot be currently filled or shipped, but is requested nonetheless for when the item becomes available again

You can argue semantics all you like, the backlog mentioned was clearly referring to the pre-order backlog, and the made to order comment clearly meant the backorders made since the new price came out.

While BFL *can* take care of a fair portion of the pre-order backlog by the end of September, it is doubtful they will clear it all.  It will depend on whether they switch people over from Jalapenos to other products when they complete those preorders.
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Your posts give me such laughs... First you comment on it taking 5 minutes to build a unit and then apply that across all product lines.  I can see a Jalapeno going together in 5 minutes... I can't see a mini-rig being built that fast unless they just dumped the boards in there and shipped it letting the customer build it themself.

Now "TO BE FAIR" you are expecting the backlog to include every order to date, months after the estimate was originally made.  Wow, I nearly choked laughing over that one.  The true backlog is the pre-orders made before the price change, even though you and many others refuse to accept it.  The Jalapeno will handily ship all the pre-order backlog by the end of this month, and the LS should also be up to that point.  The mini-rigs may hit that deadline, depending on how many were ordered after the initial glut.  I have a feeling >60%(My gut says 75% but I am hedging at 60) of all 1.5TH mini-rig units were ordered prior to Sept 2012.  The singles will not however make it unless there have been far more refunds and upgrades to Monarch than I have calculated for.

Keep up the good work though, I do so enjoy comedy.


ok you are right, not fair to say mini-rig takes 5 minutes.
So you are saying the backlog ends at the beginning of April?
So what are the non-delivered, non-manufactured orders placed after the price change called Josh?
The sucker orders?
1) Not Josh.  I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but still, not Josh.
2) The statement *I* read said something like "We expect to clear the backlog by September and then will ship to order".  *I* took this to mean they would finish shipping the backlog of pre-orders and then start shipping actual orders made since then.  April was when they had the chips in hand and knew the added cost from the missed power/GH specs and took down the pre-order prices and put up selling prices.
3) Orders.
4) Only if you ordered.

You can't "Ship to order" if there are still 5 months of orders ahead of you.

If you aren't Josh how do you explain making statements like this?  You are clearly caught in the BFL vortex.
Or the Josh Reality Distortion field.
A Pre-Order by definition is paying for something that does not yet exist.

If you use your definition then everything that was shipped after the prototype of the first Jalapeno is not a pre-order. (which is crap)

if they have the parts (which they rarely do) and they haven't built my unit within a week or two after I order it, it's a pre-order.

When I can order (hahaha) something from BFL and get delivery in a week or two, then the backlog is cleared.

That's the difference between JIT manufacturing and Pre-Orders.
 
It's amazing how Butterfly labs all by themselves have blazed new paradigms in customer service, the definition of words like Pre-order, Sale, etc. No other company compares
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Will anyone take the "Yes" side if someone were to set up a bet?

I'm willing to bet 2BTC that they won't even clear the Jalapeno backlog and that's shipping the fastest out of all units. Any takers?  Grin

can you clarify the exact terms of this bet? What do you mean by 'backlog' and also is this by end of September 2013?  If someone orders a jalepeno on September 30th and they don't deliver that until early October, then does this count as not clearing the backlog?

Will

Ok to be fair, let's say that by the end of Sept 2013 they ship all orders from Sept 1, 2013 and BEFORE

(In my opinion they won't even make June of 2013 but that is just me)


are we talking just Jalapeno orders (as DyslexicZombei's statement was)?

Also, I define 'shipped' as 'having a valid USPS tracking number that validates online that the package is in the possession of the USPS' - this discounts any spurious customs issues that might delay delivery.

Will

Not just Jalapenos, all models and are you starting a Vegas book on this?

Shipped means out of their hands so if you want to get technical (won't be necessary especially since they won't get close nor will they disclose how close they are) but if I go to USPS.com and the tracking number has a scan then it's shipped.

not willing to do bet for all devices, unless you're willing to push the bet back to the last time where Josh asserted that all back-ordered devices would ship before end-September, which according to my records was 10 July 2013 - additionally, the original post by DyslexicZombei was for just Jalapeno, but it seems he's not reading this thread any more.

Will

BET BET BET BBBET BETTT!!!

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Your posts give me such laughs... First you comment on it taking 5 minutes to build a unit and then apply that across all product lines.  I can see a Jalapeno going together in 5 minutes... I can't see a mini-rig being built that fast unless they just dumped the boards in there and shipped it letting the customer build it themself.

Now "TO BE FAIR" you are expecting the backlog to include every order to date, months after the estimate was originally made.  Wow, I nearly choked laughing over that one.  The true backlog is the pre-orders made before the price change, even though you and many others refuse to accept it.  The Jalapeno will handily ship all the pre-order backlog by the end of this month, and the LS should also be up to that point.  The mini-rigs may hit that deadline, depending on how many were ordered after the initial glut.  I have a feeling >60%(My gut says 75% but I am hedging at 60) of all 1.5TH mini-rig units were ordered prior to Sept 2012.  The singles will not however make it unless there have been far more refunds and upgrades to Monarch than I have calculated for.

Keep up the good work though, I do so enjoy comedy.


ok you are right, not fair to say mini-rig takes 5 minutes.
So you are saying the backlog ends at the beginning of April?
So what are the non-delivered, non-manufactured orders placed after the price change called Josh?
The sucker orders?
1) Not Josh.  I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but still, not Josh.
2) The statement *I* read said something like "We expect to clear the backlog by September and then will ship to order".  *I* took this to mean they would finish shipping the backlog of pre-orders and then start shipping actual orders made since then.  April was when they had the chips in hand and knew the added cost from the missed power/GH specs and took down the pre-order prices and put up selling prices.
3) Orders.
4) Only if you ordered.
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Will anyone take the "Yes" side if someone were to set up a bet?

I'm willing to bet 2BTC that they won't even clear the Jalapeno backlog and that's shipping the fastest out of all units. Any takers?  Grin

can you clarify the exact terms of this bet? What do you mean by 'backlog' and also is this by end of September 2013?  If someone orders a jalepeno on September 30th and they don't deliver that until early October, then does this count as not clearing the backlog?

Will

Ok to be fair, let's say that by the end of Sept 2013 they ship all orders from Sept 1, 2013 and BEFORE

(In my opinion they won't even make June of 2013 but that is just me)


are we talking just Jalapeno orders (as DyslexicZombei's statement was)?

Also, I define 'shipped' as 'having a valid USPS tracking number that validates online that the package is in the possession of the USPS' - this discounts any spurious customs issues that might delay delivery.

Will

Not just Jalapenos, all models and are you starting a Vegas book on this?

Shipped means out of their hands so if you want to get technical (won't be necessary especially since they won't get close nor will they disclose how close they are) but if I go to USPS.com and the tracking number has a scan then it's shipped.

not willing to do bet for all devices, unless you're willing to push the bet back to the last time where Josh asserted that all back-ordered devices would ship before end-September, which according to my records was 10 July 2013 - additionally, the original post by DyslexicZombei was for just Jalapeno, but it seems he's not reading this thread any more.

Will
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Just got an email from KNCminer that said my order will be shipped by October 15th.


Sounds like I will get my KNCminer device before my BFL order


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Will anyone take the "Yes" side if someone were to set up a bet?

I'm willing to bet 2BTC that they won't even clear the Jalapeno backlog and that's shipping the fastest out of all units. Any takers?  Grin

can you clarify the exact terms of this bet? What do you mean by 'backlog' and also is this by end of September 2013?  If someone orders a jalepeno on September 30th and they don't deliver that until early October, then does this count as not clearing the backlog?

Will

Ok to be fair, let's say that by the end of Sept 2013 they ship all orders from Sept 1, 2013 and BEFORE

(In my opinion they won't even make June of 2013 but that is just me)


Your posts give me such laughs... First you comment on it taking 5 minutes to build a unit and then apply that across all product lines.  I can see a Jalapeno going together in 5 minutes... I can't see a mini-rig being built that fast unless they just dumped the boards in there and shipped it letting the customer build it themself.

Now "TO BE FAIR" you are expecting the backlog to include every order to date, months after the estimate was originally made.  Wow, I nearly choked laughing over that one.  The true backlog is the pre-orders made before the price change, even though you and many others refuse to accept it.  The Jalapeno will handily ship all the pre-order backlog by the end of this month, and the LS should also be up to that point.  The mini-rigs may hit that deadline, depending on how many were ordered after the initial glut.  I have a feeling >60%(My gut says 75% but I am hedging at 60) of all 1.5TH mini-rig units were ordered prior to Sept 2012.  The singles will not however make it unless there have been far more refunds and upgrades to Monarch than I have calculated for.

Keep up the good work though, I do so enjoy comedy.


ok you are right, not fair to say mini-rig takes 5 minutes.

So you are saying the backlog ends at the beginning of April?

So what are the non-delivered, non-manufactured orders placed after the price change called Josh?

The sucker orders?

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Will anyone take the "Yes" side if someone were to set up a bet?

I'm willing to bet 2BTC that they won't even clear the Jalapeno backlog and that's shipping the fastest out of all units. Any takers?  Grin

can you clarify the exact terms of this bet? What do you mean by 'backlog' and also is this by end of September 2013?  If someone orders a jalepeno on September 30th and they don't deliver that until early October, then does this count as not clearing the backlog?

Will

Ok to be fair, let's say that by the end of Sept 2013 they ship all orders from Sept 1, 2013 and BEFORE

(In my opinion they won't even make June of 2013 but that is just me)


are we talking just Jalapeno orders (as DyslexicZombei's statement was)?

Also, I define 'shipped' as 'having a valid USPS tracking number that validates online that the package is in the possession of the USPS' - this discounts any spurious customs issues that might delay delivery.

Will

Not just Jalapenos, all models and are you starting a Vegas book on this?

Shipped means out of their hands so if you want to get technical (won't be necessary especially since they won't get close nor will they disclose how close they are) but if I go to USPS.com and the tracking number has a scan then it's shipped.
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Will anyone take the "Yes" side if someone were to set up a bet?

I'm willing to bet 2BTC that they won't even clear the Jalapeno backlog and that's shipping the fastest out of all units. Any takers?  Grin

can you clarify the exact terms of this bet? What do you mean by 'backlog' and also is this by end of September 2013?  If someone orders a jalepeno on September 30th and they don't deliver that until early October, then does this count as not clearing the backlog?

Will

Ok to be fair, let's say that by the end of Sept 2013 they ship all orders from Sept 1, 2013 and BEFORE

(In my opinion they won't even make June of 2013 but that is just me)


Your posts give me such laughs... First you comment on it taking 5 minutes to build a unit and then apply that across all product lines.  I can see a Jalapeno going together in 5 minutes... I can't see a mini-rig being built that fast unless they just dumped the boards in there and shipped it letting the customer build it themself.

Now "TO BE FAIR" you are expecting the backlog to include every order to date, months after the estimate was originally made.  Wow, I nearly choked laughing over that one.  The true backlog is the pre-orders made before the price change, even though you and many others refuse to accept it.  The Jalapeno will handily ship all the pre-order backlog by the end of this month, and the LS should also be up to that point.  The mini-rigs may hit that deadline, depending on how many were ordered after the initial glut.  I have a feeling >60%(My gut says 75% but I am hedging at 60) of all 1.5TH mini-rig units were ordered prior to Sept 2012.  The singles will not however make it unless there have been far more refunds and upgrades to Monarch than I have calculated for.

Keep up the good work though, I do so enjoy comedy.
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Will anyone take the "Yes" side if someone were to set up a bet?

I'm willing to bet 2BTC that they won't even clear the Jalapeno backlog and that's shipping the fastest out of all units. Any takers?  Grin

can you clarify the exact terms of this bet? What do you mean by 'backlog' and also is this by end of September 2013?  If someone orders a jalepeno on September 30th and they don't deliver that until early October, then does this count as not clearing the backlog?

Will

Ok to be fair, let's say that by the end of Sept 2013 they ship all orders from Sept 1, 2013 and BEFORE

(In my opinion they won't even make June of 2013 but that is just me)


are we talking just Jalapeno orders (as DyslexicZombei's statement was)?

Also, I define 'shipped' as 'having a valid USPS tracking number that validates online that the package is in the possession of the USPS' - this discounts any spurious customs issues that might delay delivery.

Will
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Will anyone take the "Yes" side if someone were to set up a bet?

I'm willing to bet 2BTC that they won't even clear the Jalapeno backlog and that's shipping the fastest out of all units. Any takers?  Grin

can you clarify the exact terms of this bet? What do you mean by 'backlog' and also is this by end of September 2013?  If someone orders a jalepeno on September 30th and they don't deliver that until early October, then does this count as not clearing the backlog?

Will

Ok to be fair, let's say that by the end of Sept 2013 they ship all orders from Sept 1, 2013 and BEFORE

(In my opinion they won't even make June of 2013 but that is just me)

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Don't forget.  They also promised to ship the bulk chip orders they started accepting payment for in June this month.
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Will anyone take the "Yes" side if someone were to set up a bet?

I'm willing to bet 2BTC that they won't even clear the Jalapeno backlog and that's shipping the fastest out of all units. Any takers?  Grin

can you clarify the exact terms of this bet? What do you mean by 'backlog' and also is this by end of September 2013?  If someone orders a jalepeno on September 30th and they don't deliver that until early October, then does this count as not clearing the backlog?

Will
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Be sure to grab some pictures of the massive wall of 300-400 units shipping that day.
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I would be more concerned about the 14 day countdown until Sonny's parole ends.

I'll have the pleasure of meeting him on the 10th.

Raspberry.

Do tell

I will be visiting Camp BFL on the 10th of September thanks to Josh's invite.

That's interesting, What do you hope to accomplish while you are there?

I'm so cynical that they will put on a show for you, I want to know what's going out the door, how many are assembling and when will they be done.

If Jodys latest is true, then by the 10th they will be awash in chips and other crap, so what you will be seeing is the best they have had to show.

Take pictures.

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Would you care to explain the context of this invite by Senor Joshua? What is the purpose he put forth to you? Really interesting stuff.
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I would be more concerned about the 14 day countdown until Sonny's parole ends.

Any violations committed while on parole can still be pursued even after parole is over.

Duly noted, although I don't expect to be violated during my visit.
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I would be more concerned about the 14 day countdown until Sonny's parole ends.

Any violations committed while on parole can still be pursued even after parole is over.
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