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Quote from: mediaBuzz on May 01, 2021, 03:51:28 AM

Totally agree，fate just a excuse for us to console ourselves，the reason is lack of control，if you keep gambling without control，might be you could win one or twice，but you would lose finally. This is a normal phenomenon for a gambler.
Gamling just for fun，not for life.

It's about the intent that you have when starting. Do you playing for fun / for getting entertained or to get your daily dose of gambling addiction? Take it as entertainment that pays sometimes for playing, and the full control will be in your hands.

Maybe we can say that playing gambling is just for fun or entertainment, but as time goes, our reason for playing gambling can change. And once we see that we can win for some time, we will try to use gambling to make money. We will use more money to make money but the fact is we never make that money instead, we just lose more money.

Gambling is a way to get fun, whether we play alone or with friends so we need to have control in gambling. Otherwise, we will lose too much money without we realize.

This style of entertainment increases the euphoria too much after each participation, the feelings of victory and defeat are the special spices of gambling, these spices seem to make us drop our selves, sobering then quarantine is okay but feeling these spices every day will easily be fascinated and become an addicting puppet. Again, vigilance and control are a matter of special attention and priority but the fact that when they fail is that many people deny responsibility and force fate to take on everything, they feel they are not at fault.

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Quote from: Warren Buffet on April 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM

Totally agree，fate just a excuse for us to console ourselves，the reason is lack of control，if you keep gambling without control，might be you could win one or twice，but you would lose finally. This is a normal phenomenon for a gambler.
Gamling just for fun，not for life.

It's about the intent that you have when starting. Do you playing for fun / for getting entertained or to get your daily dose of gambling addiction? Take it as entertainment that pays sometimes for playing, and the full control will be in your hands.

Maybe we can say that playing gambling is just for fun or entertainment, but as time goes, our reason for playing gambling can change. And once we see that we can win for some time, we will try to use gambling to make money. We will use more money to make money but the fact is we never make that money instead, we just lose more money.

Gambling is a way to get fun, whether we play alone or with friends so we need to have control in gambling. Otherwise, we will lose too much money without we realize.

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Sometimes it is just fate. Poker is a good example. When you have 10 show downs in a row and are an 80:20 favorite ever single time but you lose it all, that's fate in my opinion. Even if you control yourself and keep playing a solid style, there is not much you can do. Luck is against you, which I would say equates to fate.

I disagree.

Poker is all about skills, mostly in bluff and counting the cards using probability to guess what your opponents has. Fate and luck doesn't equates at all, they are entirely different. If you lose in poker just because of bluffs, it means that you lack in guts and doesn't trust your intuition, luck is already helping you to win but it is you who is rejecting it.

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Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

In a game of chance and one is well aware that the house always wins I will go with fate! I was going to say lack of control only when you won a number of hands and never stopped but chose to play on which should be said is greed.

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

If your winnings are consistent that's purely skill not luck neither is it fate, and in a game that can be manipulated I don't see how fate comes in to be honest..

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Totally agree，fate just a excuse for us to console ourselves，the reason is lack of control，if you keep gambling without control，might be you could win one or twice，but you would lose finally. This is a normal phenomenon for a gambler.
Gamling just for fun，not for life.

Unfortunately there are still many gamblers who believe gambling can be a source of income, because some people believe that they can get big
profits if they play gambling using the right strategy. Even though there is no strategy that can beat the casino, if we ever win in large numbers
when playing gambling, it is purely because of luck. Because if we continue playing, we will definitely lose in the end. So it is better to make
gambling just for fun, and we don't lose in large numbers when playing gambling for reasons of fate, it's just that we really lack control when
playing gambling. If we can control ourselves when playing gambling, we can determine when to stop gambling and avoid addiction.

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Quote from: Becky666 on April 30, 2021, 02:31:04 PM

Totally agree，fate just a excuse for us to console ourselves，the reason is lack of control，if you keep gambling without control，might be you could win one or twice，but you would lose finally. This is a normal phenomenon for a gambler.
Gamling just for fun，not for life.

It's about the intent that you have when starting. Do you playing for fun / for getting entertained or to get your daily dose of gambling addiction? Take it as entertainment that pays sometimes for playing, and the full control will be in your hands.

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Totally agree，fate just a excuse for us to console ourselves，the reason is lack of control，if you keep gambling without control，might be you could win one or twice，but you would lose finally. This is a normal phenomenon for a gambler.
Gamling just for fun，not for life.

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Quote from: peter0425 on April 23, 2021, 12:37:42 AM

Quote from: Xinarae* on April 22, 2021, 11:49:35 PM

Gambling usually involves a lot of damage on one's own and in dealing with the situation. Even if a loss it is foolish to give up and lose everything profits and losses for the game will be higher if the risk is high it helps to learn something new and it becomes easier to know the next step of the game so gambling has to be played and enjoyed as a means of entertainment. You need to apply your skills and learn to take breaks when the risk is high in the midst of all adversity if the trader the participating gambler is respectful of the rules he can run the casino business profitably.

It is not gambling that made the damage but the gambler that decides for their future .

so never blame gambling for what you will become because this is just s game and a Human is having the decisions .

Those who don't see the gambling as an entertainment will be victims of damage which we can't argue but self control in gambling is the best of all that gamblers should imbibe. Basically those who are destitute in gambling are those without self control, sometimes when they run at loss they blame it on fate which isn't true. Sometimes some do win big before they start to experience the loss.

Gambling serves as an entertainment to those who has no means of earning their way using gambling. If someone has an intention by being rich through the use of gambling then they may the one who will take the most damage emotionally and financially.

A common experience which most of us have experience is being able to earn and win before starting to loss which trigger us to gamble more and more as we've already experience winning. We even loss control and disregard all the rules we've implemented before gambling because of this.

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Quote from: Becky666 on April 30, 2021, 02:31:04 PM

Quote from: peter0425 on April 23, 2021, 12:37:42 AM

Quote from: Xinarae* on April 22, 2021, 11:49:35 PM

Gambling usually involves a lot of damage on one's own and in dealing with the situation. Even if a loss it is foolish to give up and lose everything profits and losses for the game will be higher if the risk is high it helps to learn something new and it becomes easier to know the next step of the game so gambling has to be played and enjoyed as a means of entertainment. You need to apply your skills and learn to take breaks when the risk is high in the midst of all adversity if the trader the participating gambler is respectful of the rules he can run the casino business profitably.

It is not gambling that made the damage but the gambler that decides for their future .

so never blame gambling for what you will become because this is just s game and a Human is having the decisions .

Those who don't see the gambling as an entertainment will be victims of damage which we can't argue but self control in gambling is the best of all that gamblers should imbibe. Basically those who are destitute in gambling are those without self control, sometimes when they run at loss they blame it on fate which isn't true. Sometimes some do win big before they start to experience the loss.

What you've mentioned in the post is the reality with the gamblers. At the same time there are people who have turned to be addicted gamblers considering gambling as an entertainment. They start as entertainment, in between they have a transition why don't we give a try. Gives a try and wins, this win makes them continue to gamble. In the meantime losing happens and to recover they keep on gambling. Here we can't term anyone to be wrong, but he could've considered something else for entertainment and not gambling.

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Quote from: peter0425 on April 23, 2021, 12:37:42 AM

Quote from: Xinarae* on April 22, 2021, 11:49:35 PM

Gambling usually involves a lot of damage on one's own and in dealing with the situation. Even if a loss it is foolish to give up and lose everything profits and losses for the game will be higher if the risk is high it helps to learn something new and it becomes easier to know the next step of the game so gambling has to be played and enjoyed as a means of entertainment. You need to apply your skills and learn to take breaks when the risk is high in the midst of all adversity if the trader the participating gambler is respectful of the rules he can run the casino business profitably.

It is not gambling that made the damage but the gambler that decides for their future .

so never blame gambling for what you will become because this is just s game and a Human is having the decisions .

Those who don't see the gambling as an entertainment will be victims of damage which we can't argue but self control in gambling is the best of all that gamblers should imbibe. Basically those who are destitute in gambling are those without self control, sometimes when they run at loss they blame it on fate which isn't true. Sometimes some do win big before they start to experience the loss.

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Quote from: hahay on April 30, 2021, 11:49:13 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on April 30, 2021, 11:29:53 AM

Quote from: Warren Buffet on April 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM

Sometimes it is just fate. Poker is a good example. When you have 10 show downs in a row and are an 80:20 favorite ever single time but you lose it all, that's fate in my opinion. Even if you control yourself and keep playing a solid style, there is not much you can do. Luck is against you, which I would say equates to fate.

Fate doesn't exist, much less in poker. What you call Fate is pure variability of short term results, but a winning poker player even though he has those unfavorable short term results, because he makes EV+ moves, or moves that are profitable in the long run.

After all, what is meant by self-control means that you can just get out of the game when you win, if you continue to play without control then you are greedy and defeat will obviously be experienced and that is not fate. Because that way we can always control fate if you have control over yourself, try gambling with something that you can control and not you who are controlled by gambling.

It's perfect when you practice this kind of control, quitting after winning something or quitting before you lose everything inside your bankroll, most gamblers continue to play even they'll already exceeded with their limitations.

Greed is the number one factor that affects each gamblers, it's not fate but it's your self-will to manage yourself and your emotiond towards this activities.

You've got some good advantage if you know how to work with your emotions.

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 30, 2021, 11:29:53 AM

Quote from: Warren Buffet on April 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM

Sometimes it is just fate. Poker is a good example. When you have 10 show downs in a row and are an 80:20 favorite ever single time but you lose it all, that's fate in my opinion. Even if you control yourself and keep playing a solid style, there is not much you can do. Luck is against you, which I would say equates to fate.

Fate doesn't exist, much less in poker. What you call Fate is pure variability of short term results, but a winning poker player even though he has those unfavorable short term results, because he makes EV+ moves, or moves that are profitable in the long run.

After all, what is meant by self-control means that you can just get out of the game when you win, if you continue to play without control then you are greedy and defeat will obviously be experienced and that is not fate. Because that way we can always control fate if you have control over yourself, try gambling with something that you can control and not you who are controlled by gambling.

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Quote from: Warren Buffet on April 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM

Sometimes it is just fate. Poker is a good example. When you have 10 show downs in a row and are an 80:20 favorite ever single time but you lose it all, that's fate in my opinion. Even if you control yourself and keep playing a solid style, there is not much you can do. Luck is against you, which I would say equates to fate.

Fate doesn't exist, much less in poker. What you call Fate is pure variability of short term results, but a winning poker player even though he has those unfavorable short term results, because he makes EV+ moves, or moves that are profitable in the long run.

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Sometimes it is just fate. Poker is a good example. When you have 10 show downs in a row and are an 80:20 favorite ever single time but you lose it all, that's fate in my opinion. Even if you control yourself and keep playing a solid style, there is not much you can do. Luck is against you, which I would say equates to fate.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on April 30, 2021, 07:08:17 AM

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Quote from: michellee on April 27, 2021, 11:26:33 PM

You can differentiate between a strategic based type of game to a pure luck based ones which you can eventually tell based up on experience on what
are the probabilities for you to win a certain game.If you do have enough knowledge and awareness then you can point out which one would really be good
if you do really mind of making profits and its up to you when making out decisions neither you do get out when in profits or simply proceed if you do
tend to play for more.Self control is always been on question.

Maybe if he has a skill in a gambling game-based strategy, he will have a chance to win. But if he wants to play gambling games based on pure luck, he only plays to search for fun things and not test his luck. A gambler will know what gambling games that he can play and hopefully, they will know that gambling games are designed to give entertainment and fun instead of making money. Besides that, a gambler should have self-control in a gambling game to prevent loss.

Maintaining self-control in gambling is hard, everything could trip out when you lost your cool after losing a big amount of bet, because frustration will overpower your self-control. So self-control is no longer existing in gambling, you just have to be decisive and dedicated on what to do next after a huge loss. You don't need second thoughts, you need an instant solid decision to cut yourself out in gambling while you're frustrated, because you can't be playing gambling while frustrated at the same time.

That will happen when you want to get more winning after the last winning and do not decide to stop playing. That is normal to see your greed become bigger after you won some money but if you can not control your mind, I am afraid that will make you continue playing and you will lose your money. Self-control must stay for yourself to control yourself to stop gambling, no matter if you win or lose, because that is the important thing that you must do. Forget it about recover your loss or wanting for the next winning because you can get it in the next few days. Besides that, you must reduce your tension after playing gambling for some rounds.

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Quote from: michellee on April 27, 2021, 11:26:33 PM

You can differentiate between a strategic based type of game to a pure luck based ones which you can eventually tell based up on experience on what
are the probabilities for you to win a certain game.If you do have enough knowledge and awareness then you can point out which one would really be good
if you do really mind of making profits and its up to you when making out decisions neither you do get out when in profits or simply proceed if you do
tend to play for more.Self control is always been on question.

Maybe if he has a skill in a gambling game-based strategy, he will have a chance to win. But if he wants to play gambling games based on pure luck, he only plays to search for fun things and not test his luck. A gambler will know what gambling games that he can play and hopefully, they will know that gambling games are designed to give entertainment and fun instead of making money. Besides that, a gambler should have self-control in a gambling game to prevent loss.

Maintaining self-control in gambling is hard, everything could trip out when you lost your cool after losing a big amount of bet, because frustration will overpower your self-control. So self-control is no longer existing in gambling, you just have to be decisive and dedicated on what to do next after a huge loss. You don't need second thoughts, you need an instant solid decision to cut yourself out in gambling while you're frustrated, because you can't be playing gambling while frustrated at the same time.

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You can differentiate between a strategic based type of game to a pure luck based ones which you can eventually tell based up on experience on what
are the probabilities for you to win a certain game.If you do have enough knowledge and awareness then you can point out which one would really be good
if you do really mind of making profits and its up to you when making out decisions neither you do get out when in profits or simply proceed if you do
tend to play for more.Self control is always been on question.

Maybe if he has a skill in a gambling game-based strategy, he will have a chance to win. But if he wants to play gambling games based on pure luck, he only plays to search for fun things and not test his luck. A gambler will know what gambling games that he can play and hopefully, they will know that gambling games are designed to give entertainment and fun instead of making money. Besides that, a gambler should have self-control in a gambling game to prevent loss.

Most gamblers play expecting to be able to get money and not just looking for entertainment when playing, skill and emotional control, of course they can apply when playing, because the main goal is to win the game. But when he gambles with the intention of winning the game, of course he hopes there is luck in it, not for fun. I believe most gamblers are willing to risk their money just to win

If they know that the luck factor can not always come to them every time they gamble, they will not rely on gambling to make money. That will difficult to win the game, especially if we do not have luck, but if we gamble because of fun, I guess luck will come to you sometimes. Yes, the gambler risks their money in gambling because they see some people can win easily in the gambling games to become like that person.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on April 27, 2021, 01:53:33 PM

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

Online dice gambling games win and lose can happen to anyone. Those gambling addicts must know such circumstances, however, I always learn from the experience and defeat that I have experienced, actually winning in the game of dice is very determined by mentally strong and never give up. I feel relieved and I am not afraid to bet.

For that I always control when I want to place a dice bet to avoid the risk of losing the main factors that I do are:
• I am not careless in placing bets.
• strategy is also a valuable lesson for me, if I don't have a strategy in dice games, I better back off.
• that arrogance to beat that opponent is the worst factor I have ever done, with that I have to really choose each type of bet I want to bet.

The factors as I mentioned are almost the same as what the OP mentioned, so that's what I did to win and avoid losing in placing dice bets.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on April 27, 2021, 09:13:03 AM

Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

What is the truth in this regard, because users like me are always go lack of control even when luck is on our side. End of the day used to pacify thyself terming it as our fate and move on. Hope you guys don't do this mistake. Cry

Most gambling is based on the theory of probability.

Therefore, it makes sense to estimate the probability of your winning at the beginning of the game. If the probability of winning is less than 50 percent, then you are guaranteed to lose if you play long enough.

There are gambling games in which your potential winnings are determined solely by your qualifications and your intellectual superiority over your partners in the game (for example, poker).

In such games, it is advisable to choose the weakest and dumbest partners for the game. This will guarantee you an easy win.

As I've also mentioned previously, gambling is a game of chance, simple probabilities that we were taught in school (with the rolling dice being the most popular example). On each game, you have an X chance of winning and a Y of losing, the faster we acknowledge that, the better. All gambling games include the most contributing factor, which is chance, while a few other such as Poker, Roulette, or sport betting do require some kind of knowledge and skills.

Yes, I agree.

Such gambling is essentially a zero-sum game. Either you or your opponent win. You have a 50 percent chance of winning.

However, this is true for a situation where there is no third party in the game (the organizer of the gambling game). If there is an organizer in the gambling game, then the probability of your winning is less than 50 percent.

This means that with a long series of games, you will inevitably lose.

Luck won't help you. Probability theory is a strict mistress that cannot be fooled.

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