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Quote from: KTChampions on March 25, 2021, 04:35:18 PM

Usually casual and responsible players know their loss limit - when they should stop. But since they do not believe in winning, they do not set the same winning limit, although that would be very reasonable. So it seems to me that this reasoning makes sense and it is always good to have two plans - in case of loss and in case of winning.

There are two extremes that usually visit these online gambling sites, those who are barred from real casinos who knows what they are doing and the freaks who does not know when to control their emotions and keeps on rolling even if it means they are loosing, not talking about casuals but these casinos always want these extreme gamblers to make them money, even if they win in the beginning majority will end up busting everything in the end.

Yes, casinos are interested in this, but they are also interested in maintaining their reputation. For this reason, they introduce a variety of programs that help players control their emotions - for example, after a certain amount of loss, access to the casino is closed on that day. This gives the player time to calm down and soberly decide whether to continue playing or not.

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It's better to be aware of your shortcomings than denying them all the way through. Traits of an irresponsible gambler include not being able to accept that it's his fault for losing and that the mindset that the next game will guarantee him a win. This can easily be remedied by controlling simple urges to carry on through a strict mantra or program. I personally stop gambling after getting 4 wins or 3 losses, and so far it had allowed me to gather profits. You can try something similar as well.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on March 26, 2021, 02:43:04 PM

Yeah, forget about leaving your life to some fate you cannot see let alone conceive. We are for a reason, okay? Let's do our choices and let's take our own responsibilities with the way we live. We have to experience everything in our life to be able to master both the good and the bad, because one thing's for sure: we'll experience both of them, trust me.
Apply this to gambling and live with it, you'll avoid losing your money and your mental health.

Be in control of yourself, it's the most important, don't be lazy and just easily accept that it's just your faith, if you are not responsible and that cause you a lot of money in gambling, then blame it to yourself and don't just say its my faith and it's God who made it, that's absurd and you'll never have a good life ahead with that kind of mentality, just frankly speaking.

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Yeah, forget about leaving your life to some fate you cannot see let alone conceive. We are for a reason, okay? Let's do our choices and let's take our own responsibilities with the way we live. We have to experience everything in our life to be able to master both the good and the bad, because one thing's for sure: we'll experience both of them, trust me.
Apply this to gambling and live with it, you'll avoid losing your money and your mental health.

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Winning or losing on a casino for me doesn't really fall into the word fate, The suitable word for it is destiny. Casino owners built their casinos for them to make money and making us lose money by losing. This is a fate that most of the casinos made for us and winning or losing will all depend on us, on what kind of decisions we will make to see our destiny. Self-control, Proper knowledge, and Luck are just the factors that we have to get the results we want.

Anything and everything happening in our life can be connected to be predetermined one. With gambling it is an exception and we can't connect the outcome to be predetermined. Everything is of luck and the control one have over the win/loss. There are people who have reached their destiny through gambling which has happened out of luck, but it is their predetermined fate. There'll be more correlation between fate and destiny depending on the scenario.

I agree with control and luck, if happened that you are capable in controlling yourself not to fall that much then your destination is not that bad chances to succeed is very possible.

While there's also luck which most of the time influenced the outcome of your gambling activities, you are always have one if you know how to manage it well and not to runied that certain opportunities that happened to you.

You are the master of your life, everything even in gambling you are the one who control your fate.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 25, 2021, 04:35:18 PM

Usually casual and responsible players know their loss limit - when they should stop. But since they do not believe in winning, they do not set the same winning limit, although that would be very reasonable. So it seems to me that this reasoning makes sense and it is always good to have two plans - in case of loss and in case of winning.

There are two extremes that usually visit these online gambling sites, those who are barred from real casinos who knows what they are doing and the freaks who does not know when to control their emotions and keeps on rolling even if it means they are loosing, not talking about casuals but these casinos always want these extreme gamblers to make them money, even if they win in the beginning majority will end up busting everything in the end.

I guess that is luck that helps them win in the gambling game, especially in the dice game or the other gambling game based on luck. You can follow the pattern, but you can not follow that for a long time because the pattern will change somehow, and if that is happening and you do not know how to anticipate it, that will be a matter of time before you lose your money. But you can try to make calculations or notes or something like to increase your chance to win in gambling games, but be careful, the losing money is only just waiting for the time.

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in order to Win in gambling, you must have self control and before even playing must have a Escape plan .

You know when to play and you know when to stop.

I don't understand the word escape plan, I mean if we are in control in gambling, we know what we are doing and we can stop anytime we want.

Escape plan are good for gamblers who are force to gamble and they have a problem controlling themselves, and these are problematic gamblers which I believe people with discipline will never be in this situation.

Probably what he means is to have some way to overcome addiction in the case you are unable to control yourself, but to me this seems like backwards reasoning, the person that can control his gambling does not have any need for an escape plan as he is able to stop gambling whenever he wants, and the one that knows that he has an addictive personality should avoid gambling at all costs as it does not matter what kind of backup plan he sets in place this will fail if he is motivated enough to keep gambling.

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Quote from: abel1337 on March 25, 2021, 02:52:38 PM

Winning or losing on a casino for me doesn't really fall into the word fate, The suitable word for it is destiny. Casino owners built their casinos for them to make money and making us lose money by losing. This is a fate that most of the casinos made for us and winning or losing will all depend on us, on what kind of decisions we will make to see our destiny. Self-control, Proper knowledge, and Luck are just the factors that we have to get the results we want.

Anything and everything happening in our life can be connected to be predetermined one. With gambling it is an exception and we can't connect the outcome to be predetermined. Everything is of luck and the control one have over the win/loss. There are people who have reached their destiny through gambling which has happened out of luck, but it is their predetermined fate. There'll be more correlation between fate and destiny depending on the scenario.

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I'm still wondering how someone could be precise on gambling. How someone of us still think otherwise on the possible outcomes of a dice game to follow a pattern due to any precise calculations. If any exists, I'll really love to know, perhaps, it would be the end of my loosing bets.
Ah mean, one won't be scared on stakes any more, it would be a matter of how many rounds and how much one is out to make in a bet and round on a daily base. Maybe, just maybe the casinos won't shot down or even close your accounts with them because, they can't afford to be loosing.
There is no professionalism to it, its just pure luck and nothing else.

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Quote from: Oasisman on March 24, 2021, 08:45:43 AM

Quote from: btc78 on March 23, 2021, 10:54:31 PM

in order to Win in gambling, you must have self control and before even playing must have a Escape plan .

You know when to play and you know when to stop.

Does this escape plan really works for those who are hooked up with gambling? Or is the only way out is after emptying their pocket?
Casual gamblers don't necessary need an escape plan, because they're responsible enough to be just casually gamble their spare money on their free time.
Gambling doesn't make you win, it's designed to be a fun game without you noticing that you're emptying your pocket when you're totally addicted to it.

Usually casual and responsible players know their loss limit - when they should stop. But since they do not believe in winning, they do not set the same winning limit, although that would be very reasonable. So it seems to me that this reasoning makes sense and it is always good to have two plans - in case of loss and in case of winning.

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I would prefer to call it freewill, that's what governs our choices when gambling, when choosing our jobs, when asking that girl to meet us and so on. I don't believe in fate, it's a big excuse for us not to take any responsibility in our real life and I don't like it. Let's ride our life, and let's avoid to be used as a taxi.

You are right and every decisions would really be having those kind of outcome depending on how you do deal with it.

So those people who believe in fate are cheating? Because they don't take responsibility?

Okay, let's don't believe the fate but you believe the possible outcome in each decision you have made. But for me, fate is unpredictable like the price of bitcoin and every decision you have will be your destination. So yes, since fate is unpredictable and you made the decision without knowing the outcome the result is fate. Even though if you applied such kind of strategy but your fate was loose, you still have a loss. Because of the fact that you can avoid what is the outcome either win or lose but that is the fate.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on March 25, 2021, 03:02:37 PM

I would prefer to call it freewill, that's what governs our choices when gambling, when choosing our jobs, when asking that girl to meet us and so on. I don't believe in fate, it's a big excuse for us not to take any responsibility in our real life and I don't like it. Let's ride our life, and let's avoid to be used as a taxi.

You are right and every decisions would really be having those kind of outcome depending on how you do deal with it.

People should try on making up their own decisions with their own free will and risking out nothing will really not be putting you into anything but into a stationary state.

We do have the full control of our lives and that called fate would really be influenced up depending on the actions that you do make out recently.

Thing here is that you do know on how to handle up yourself on making out good decision or you do seem that it would be beneficial for you.

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dice games are very complicated games where the chances of someone constantly making a lot of money are low, but there are hundreds of people who play dice in the hope that one day they will make a lot of money, and they are left with nothing and addicted even without realizing that they are addicted. in games of chance. people say: "I lost money on the dice, so it was my destiny to have lost money" you cannot think that way, the person lost money because he did not have a good strategy to win and must try to make good capital management, have good strategy and know when it's time to take a break to relax. gambling should be seen as entertainment where we can make money, you cannot make big plans with profit from gambling

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I would prefer to call it freewill, that's what governs our choices when gambling, when choosing our jobs, when asking that girl to meet us and so on. I don't believe in fate, it's a big excuse for us not to take any responsibility in our real life and I don't like it. Let's ride our life, and let's avoid to be used as a taxi.

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Winning or losing on a casino for me doesn't really fall into the word fate, The suitable word for it is destiny. Casino owners built their casinos for them to make money and making us lose money by losing. This is a fate that most of the casinos made for us and winning or losing will all depend on us, on what kind of decisions we will make to see our destiny. Self-control, Proper knowledge, and Luck are just the factors that we have to get the results we want.

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That's what you called lack of control, if you lose better to quit for the day and stay away from gambling, learn to let go and

try to think for much better way to enjoy, instead of chasing your loses and lose more. You are also prone of getting addicted and that's the
worse thing to happened to you.

Quote from: TelolettOm on March 24, 2021, 10:23:04 PM

Gambling cannot be controlled. the fact is that nowadays many people have become devastated by gambling. especially if you play in slot games. I believe that the percentage of people who play with emotions is greater. after losing if they have money in the account may return the deposit immediately. this applies to the games we play directly. maybe the strategy if we play on sports betting we can apply it because we have a plan that we make

Quote from: alegotardo on March 25, 2021, 11:52:58 AM

The main issue is the odds that are always against the player.
If you're losing, then the game is following its normal course.
If you're winning, then you are in luck and need to stop before that luck runs out and the odds again prevail.

Most peoples are unable to hold their emotions when they are winning, so they tend to lose everything they have won and then some.
In these cases, robots do better than us.

Experienced if you take advantage of it, you'll be able to quit while you still have something decent from your wallet. Those gamblers who

value this opportunities always respond the right way, winning little is always better than losing your entire bankroll.

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The main issue is the odds that are always against the player.
If you're losing, then the game is following its normal course.
If you're winning, then you are in luck and need to stop before that luck runs out and the odds again prevail.

Most peoples are unable to hold their emotions when they are winning, so they tend to lose everything they have won and then some.
In these cases, robots do better than us.

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Quote from: nitrobetting on March 24, 2021, 10:55:43 PM

Not sure if fate is the right word to use just because online gambling is more of having knowledge, skill of the games and having a game plan vs. throwing out money without purpose. Only ourselves can have absolute control of how much we spend regardless if we win or lose.

Not many people or gamblers have that absolute control because once they feel they enjoy the game and can make money from the games, they can forget and reduce the control of themselves. That can make them forget about controlling themselves and take care of their money. We already see many gamblers lose their money because of a lack of control of themselves because they win on some rounds and think that the next rounds will be their luck. Maybe it's about lack of control, but if we talk about fate, maybe our destiny is to lose money on gambling games.

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I think gambling specially in dice is a combination of both fate and self-control. You may have the day when you are winning consecutive rolls but you got greedy and don't have an exit point where you must withdraw letting excitement take over your decisions thinking you can win more if you continue to play. We are all destined to lose in gambling it is just how we plan to get out in profit that will help us win.

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Fate is like destiny, it is inevitable to happen whatever you do. Unlike in gambling, when you lose control during losses and try to recover it then you will end up with more loss. Meanwhile when winning if you lose control, the house will get it back if you will get greedy. Fate has only one inevitable result while luck is either 50/50 of good or bad so I don't really relate fate in gambling. People often justify that it is their fate to lose in gambling to lessen the pain.

Actually, in games based 100% on luck almost everyone is destined to lose then, because you can't defeat the house on long run with less winning chances than the casino. Since the gambler has 2% or 1,5% less winning chances than the house, the long run loss is inevitable. Very few players are able to overcome the natural *fate* of gamblers by hitting the jackpot on short run, but these are very few exceptions.

If there's no way to defeat the house edge then we are really destined to lose and just relying on our luck? I think its not often the case.

Well in dice I believe its more on luck. Based on my experience, regardless of what strategy I use, the outcome will only rely on how lucky you are on that particular moment. But there are games wherein knowledge and strategy are necessary to win just like in sports betting.

In dice you can beat the house, but on short run, with high multiplier (small winning chance per bet, but with huge prize). However, even playing smart, most gamblers will still lose, because most of them will take too long to hit the prize, spending more money towards the goal than the desired prize itself. Another option is to play less bets as possible, but betting high.

In sports generally, as you said, there are attributes besides luck which make the difference, but still most gamblers lose on long run. Sad

After all, the winners and casino's profit has to come from somewhere.

High risk, high rewards. I think that the concept of gambling is purely based on us losing. You lose a large bet, you get emotional and bet again, and again and again. You'll end up losing more in the long run than you can earn. I don't believe in fate, most gambling games, such as Dice, slots and so on, are purely based on luck and the law of averages.

Gambling can be controlled, but it's highly addictive, you may win once and become overconfident, then your bad luck and greediness kicks in, and you lose everything in the process.

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