[Feature Suggest] Let disable multi quoting

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 28, 2019, 07:14:17 AM

Can't we just ban accounts like this? Cheesy

I am not at all worried about these posts because I am not going to reply on them but sometimes you will see the more than 3 level of quoting in normal discussion and replying on that discussion leaving you with 2 option:
1. Solve the quote manually
2. Or increase one more quote,

Most difficult quotes to reply are that follow somewhat below pattern.

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Quote from: stompix on May 28, 2019, 07:13:13 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on May 28, 2019, 12:38:25 AM

I think that limiting the max number of characters that can be inside a quote could solve much better the problem.

Hmmm, it might raise problems for some topics in Mining and P&D when people post a lot of code, settings and stuff like that.

Code has a different tag than quote. They can be easily differentiated.

Quote from: stompix on May 28, 2019, 07:13:13 AM

It can be done by limiting the consecutive numbers of opened quote code > [ q u o t e]

Sometimes it makes sense to quote a quote, else a part of the discussion may become hard to follow.
So it's hard to fine tune and take the proper decision. Or maybe I'm just overthinking it Cheesy

Quote from: LoyceV on May 28, 2019, 07:14:17 AM

If they are mobile users, I can even understand the lack of interest. Selecting and deleting big chunks of text on a small touch screen is painstaking work.

I avoid as much as possible quoting on mobile. There's more than 50% chance to open or close it badly in the first attempt.

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 28, 2019, 07:14:17 AM

Quote from: tbct_mt2 on May 28, 2019, 02:47:02 AM

Within my more than two-year experience in the forum, I saw higher rank users pyramid quoted

If they are mobile users, I can even understand the lack of interest. Selecting and deleting big chunks of text on a small touch screen is painstaking work.

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this makes sense. I saw that a lot of users access to btctalk only from mobile.

One think worst than multi-quoting is a quote post with images

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on May 28, 2019, 02:47:02 AM

Within my more than two-year experience in the forum, I saw higher rank users pyramid quoted

If they are mobile users, I can even understand the lack of interest. Selecting and deleting big chunks of text on a small touch screen is painstaking work.

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on May 28, 2019, 04:44:09 AM

When people start using "patrol" they will understand the quoting pyramid problems.

Can't we just ban accounts like this? Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 28, 2019, 06:44:32 AM

If multi quoting will be disables, how can I answer to 2 persons in 1 post ? Make 2 posts ? But that will be double posting.

Waiting for someone to make another post in topic, so I could my second post ? But that could takes ages and topic most probably will be lost in 3-999 pages on subforum.

It can be done by limiting the consecutive numbers of opened quote code > [ q u o t e]

So you can't have

Quote from: NeuroticFish on May 28, 2019, 12:38:25 AM

I think that limiting the max number of characters that can be inside a quote could solve much better the problem.

Hmmm, it might raise problems for some topics in Mining and P&D when people post a lot of code, settings and stuff like that.

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If multi quoting will be disables, how can I answer to 2 persons in 1 post ? Make 2 posts ? But that will be double posting.

Waiting for someone to make another post in topic, so I could my second post ? But that could takes ages and topic most probably will be lost in 3-999 pages on subforum.

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When people start using "patrol" they will understand the quoting pyramid problems.
I see no need to have quoting depth more than 4 for everyone despite the rank.

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Original post

Someone quoted the OP with comment

Someone else answered the guy and the OP

Third guy comes to comment or argue withe pe previous two and the OP

..and then you post your opinion.

This is max of the extend of the quoting pyramids.

Then people start to cut off the irrelevant information.
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in addition quotes without comments should be forbidden in the ANN section, for everyone.

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Likely admin will not bother to change about quote. Usually I always avoid to try multi quote. Its actually depend on user who are replying. A quality poster should know how and where should use quote.

However I am not aginst multi quote. It would be useful on few cases but need proper uses.

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Quote from: r1s2g3 on May 28, 2019, 04:05:26 AM

For me, replying to multi quotes sometimes become painful. It take much more time to adjust (or track ) the quotes in comparison to time taken to post the reply.

Personally, I ignore pyramid quotes because most of them are shit posts, maybe more than 90% of pyramid quotes are shit posts; and it is waste of my time to read them as well as to trace back flow of ideas to catch what they are talking about. In reality, it does not take too much time to edit and eliminate un-used parts, just a few of seconds, but it does not deserve our time to do it. The point is why we have to spend our time to clean their pyramid quotes?

Quote from: Bitlover10 on May 28, 2019, 04:20:53 AM

The main problem of multi quote you can see in the bounty section. When people report their work through his previous quote and when they post 10 week 15 week long report then it's really disturbing to look the whole thread. For example you can see this bounty thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51238955

For pyramid shitshows in bounty topics, I never care about them and I think we can give them a free child boards to do this. Why we should care about pyramid quotes in such child board? If there is something to care, it should be shut down that childboard. If not, let it be what it be in the Bounty child board.

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The main problem of multi quote you can see in the bounty section. When people report their work through his previous quote and when they post 10 week 15 week long report then it's really disturbing to look the whole thread. For example you can see this bounty thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51238955

What is the purpose of doing this it's just annoying and hurt eyes of readers and create garbage in forum. I think we should stop that kind of post first.

Multi quote is not a problem where people discuss about something like we are doing here. I think it's helpful and saving time of the reader. As @tbct_mt2 already shared [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies) is really useful on this matter.

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Quote from: RapTarX on May 28, 2019, 02:30:20 AM

In loan sub board, multi quote is required to keep others word as record for the future. That's gawky but a needed feature. Better if we can raise public awareness to reduce the disaster.

You can do with quote also and if required then you can summarize everything in one post.

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 28, 2019, 03:14:31 AM

All what you just listed are the negative side of multi quoting now before you ask for that feature to be removed have you considered some positive side of the said multi qouting? In some cases multi qouting is useful, it can also help you understand the flow of a discussion (don't what to give full detail) but the only time the multi quoting feature is annoying is when it's misuse (mostly by newbies & spammers).

A more better solution would be enlightening them on how to use the feature instead of eliminating the feature.

For me, replying to multi quotes sometimes become painful. It take much more time to adjust (or track ) the quotes in comparison to time taken to post the reply.

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Quote from: Oyarebu on May 28, 2019, 03:23:49 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on May 28, 2019, 02:00:15 AM

The restrictions can be maybe rank based as most of the mess is done by newbies and jr. members. No one likes the long quotes, but theymos don't really want to add more restrictions to the newbies so it won't be an easy solution.

With due respect sir, there are thousands of high rank accounts that get involved in the same act of long quote and not only for Newbies and Junior Members, some of these accounts are even worst than the said Newbies/Jr. Members. Most of these changes or restriction should be fair to we the lower rank members.

I understand your frustration but here is an example. I create a new fresh account only to bump specific thread, someone see my "shitposts" and report it, my account get banned for excessive spam (0 value posts) or for bumping using fake conversations, then I create a new one ( actually there is/are a bot(s) doing this all the time) and start all over.
If a higher ranked member stated doing this, someone will report him ( I'm doing this almost every day and there are many like me) and he can be banned as well, but it's more costly to loose that. I do agree that there are many high ranked members shitposting ( many got banned already) but the main part knows how to use quotations and I'm sure that they won't cause so much trouble as the bots ( big part of the newbie)

Loosing a newbie account ≠ loosing higher ranked account.

Don't get me wrong, I don't say that all the newbies are shitposters but all the bots operate at the newbie level unfortunately, giving the newbies the bad look they don't deserve. That's why we try to reduce the bot activity, of course there will be some collateral damage but not so extreme.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on May 28, 2019, 02:00:15 AM

The restrictions can be maybe rank based as most of the mess is done by newbies and jr. members. No one likes the long quotes, but theymos don't really want to add more restrictions to the newbies so it won't be an easy solution.

With due respect sir, there are thousands of high rank accounts that get involved in the same act of long quote and not only for Newbies and Junior Members, some of these accounts are even worst than the said Newbies/Jr. Members. Most of these changes or restriction should be fair to we the lower rank members.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 28, 2019, 03:14:31 AM

All what you just listed are the negative side of multi quoting now before you ask for that feature to be removed have you considered some positive side of the said multi qouting? In some cases multi qouting is useful, it can also help you understand the flow of a discussion (don't what to give full detail) but the only time the multi quoting feature is annoying is when it's misuse (mostly newbies & spammers).

A more better solution would be enlightening them on how to use the feature instead of eliminating the feature.

Pyramid quote definition in the forum has not presented clearly (as I've known). In my opinion, pyramid quotes are posts that have more than three-ladder quotes. However, I don't think less-ladder of quotes are actually useful, it is just the way we said. If someone actually curious and want to know which things discussion mentioned, and flow of ideas, they will naturally click on quote links to visit original topic to see how it goes. It's one of most helfpul meanings of quote links.
I don't know how to express this term relevantly, by mentioning three-ladder quotes, I meant such quotes like this:

Quote from: A

A's post

Quote from: B

B's post

Quote from: C

C's post

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There is a feature available that enables a user to quote one reply only and some other forums have used that feature. People here too are quoting 6-7 posts which makes it look clumsy. If people want to quote more than one message, they would need to do it manually with the code. Hopefully they can implement this soon.

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All what you just listed are the negative side of multi quoting now before you ask for that feature to be removed have you considered some positive side of the said multi qouting? In some cases multi qouting is useful, it can also help you understand the flow of a discussion (don't what to give full detail) but the only time the multi quoting feature is annoying is when it's misuse (mostly by newbies & spammers).

A more better solution would be enlightening them on how to use the feature instead of eliminating the feature.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on May 28, 2019, 02:48:20 AM

Most of the newbies already know that but they don't care.

It's exactly, people all know what they did are very annoying, me too. It is a shame to admit with you all that before the merit sytem's launch, I made lots of pyramid quotes. I actually felt such quotes are very annoying, but I even did not know how to use the Quote Button appropriately and how to avoid pyramid quotes. Then, due to merit system (thanks for the system), I visited Meta board, and saw a very different style of quoting, then I am curious to click on Quote Button to discuss, then I fortunately saw how they avoid pyramid quotes. That's easy, and from such things I saw in Meta board, I created the guide above.

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on May 28, 2019, 02:48:20 AM

But the high ranked making this mistake are just few, they won't take the chance to loose the account for stupid things like multiquoting. A few reports will let them know what they do wrong.

I likely misunderstood your opinion in previous posts, if what you aimed it is nuke accounts that do pyramid quotes at specific number of times, it would make forum users go crazy, not only Newbies. If only Newbies are target of account nuking due to pyramid quotes, it is unfair for sure. Therefore, if something implement to control pyramid quotes, it should be a warning message whenever users click on Post button with their pyramid quotes.
"Warning! Please don't do Pyramid quotes, that are annoying; and read more to use Quote button appropriately (with links to read, maybe)"
Or
Warning! Pyramid quotes in total will result in temporary ban / account nuke. Please stop pyramid quoting!" (in case punishments implemented)

From Meta board, I also learn how to use the horizontal line with

Code:

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Quote from: RapTarX on May 28, 2019, 02:30:20 AM

In loan sub board, multi quote is required to keep others word as record for the future. That's gawky but a needed feature. Better if we can raise public awareness to reduce the disaster.

Most of the newbies already know that but they don't care. The Ann bumps often use to quote the whole OP without leaving a comment. This is known technique but it's against the rules and it's easy to report it.

Quote from: tbct_mt2 on May 28, 2019, 02:47:02 AM

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Newbies and lower rank are one of the most annoying and spamming components in the forum, but they are not the only contributors to spamming and pyramid quotes. Within my more than two-year experience in the forum, I saw higher rank users pyramid quoted. I don't know which reasons behind the lack of theymos' interests to do it. Nevertheless, if theymos implements something to stop pyramid quotes, it might be restricted on all ranks, not only Newbies or lower ranks.

But the high ranked making this mistake are just few, they won't take the chance to loose the account for stupid things like multiquoting. A few reports will let them know what they do wrong.

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