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legendary
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April 02, 2024, 09:37:16 AM
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Prospect theory, I believe, may help to explain this phenomena. According to this hypothesis, people frequently base their decisions on their perceptions of prospective outcomes rather than the actual probabilities. For example, someone may opt to gamble despite the fact that the chances of winning are extremely slim, just because they are more concerned with the prospective payoff than the possibility of winning. This might explain why some people continue to gamble despite obvious losses.

Another possible explanation for this phenomena is the gambler's fallacy. This is the incorrect idea that if something occurs more frequently than usual within a given period of time.





I think that a strategy based on trying to hit a rare winning streak is possible, although in general it is not cost effective, let's put it that way. This is why many people continue to play and continue to lose just because they are trying to hit a long streak of winnings. It’s difficult to say how successful gamblers are at this. Perhaps there are gamblers who eventually grab luck by the tail. For them, this will be confirmation of the correctness of their strategy, although it is just catching their luck. That's why successful players don't let chance dictate too much of their play. Randomness is unpredictable, and lack of control leads to worst-case scenarios.
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April 02, 2024, 05:12:57 AM
#89
Prospect theory, I believe, may help to explain this phenomena. According to this hypothesis, people frequently base their decisions on their perceptions of prospective outcomes rather than the actual probabilities. For example, someone may opt to gamble despite the fact that the chances of winning are extremely slim, just because they are more concerned with the prospective payoff than the possibility of winning. This might explain why some people continue to gamble despite obvious losses.

Another possible explanation for this phenomena is the gambler's fallacy. This is the incorrect idea that if something occurs more frequently than usual within a given period of time.
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January 21, 2024, 03:05:57 AM
#88
If the percentage of people who win the jackpot is small, this does not mean that winning the jackpot is an illusion. But I understand what you are writing about. You are not writing about an accidental win, but about a purposeful one. But even deliberately winning the jackpot is not an illusion. There have been cases in history where people purposefully won the jackpot. It’s just that this is a rather complex and difficult strategy, and it’s not suitable for anyone. I know of a case of a married couple, mathematicians by training, who purposefully hunted for the jackpot and eventually won. I'm too lazy to look for links right now, but it's quite possible. Their strategy was to buy lottery tickets in large quantities and figure out in which states it would make sense to do so. And in which ones not. But any winning of large sums in gambling requires a large investment of time, money and mental energy. This is not suitable for everyone.
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January 16, 2024, 11:30:03 PM
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It not just an illusion, but getting it is like something where the percentage is very small or even impossible to get. This is what actually happens in gambling so not all gamblers will be able to get the jackpot.
Chasing the jackpot will be the same as wasting money for most gamblers with limited finances and those who chase the jackpot but with limited finances will feel what is called ruin or even poverty.
But this is different for rich gamblers or gamblers who have large budgets because they can just say they use almost unlimited amounts of money to have fun and of course it will be easier for them to pursue it, although it may not necessarily be successful but it will never be affect their finances.
All of us little gamblers should try to forget about getting the jackpot and better have better mindset like we gamble just for fun and don't really need to hope or chase the jackpot.
Just think more carefully, if chasing the jackpot will only make things difficult, then wouldn't it be better to avoid it.
Those who still want to chase the jackpot will keep trying, even if it means using more money. They won't stop until they hit the jackpot, so they will keep trying. If they don't have a lot of money, they will continue to try every time they have money because their goal in gambling is only to win. They should understand that chasing the jackpot is very difficult and requires a lot of money. Even that doesn't guarantee they can get the jackpot because getting the jackpot is only for people who have luck.

But if we compare it with people who have a lot of money, they can gamble longer because they have a lot of money and can gamble for a long time. But even so, these people may not necessarily be able to get the jackpot because the jackpot can only be obtained by those who really have luck. And we, just small gamblers, cannot compete with people with a lot of money because of these limitations. We can only gamble moderately and still have limits in gambling.

Almost the average thing we find today is gamblers who want to hunt for big prizes or jackpots in lottery games, it is impossible for them to buy lots of lottery tickets just to have fun, this is not a casino game that can be used for fun, so there are differences between casino games and this lottery, until now lottery gambling is spread all over the world and there are many types, even where I live, almost the average lottery gambler is not only young people but also elderly parents where they hope for a big jackpot from the lottery prize. that is a fact

But there are also quite a few people who become poor and bankrupt because of this gambling game, even though it is clear that this game is pure luck and does not rely on any skill. If they knew that this gambling relies on luck, they would not need to buy lots of tickets and spend a lot of money, because they have lots of tickets. it is also not possible to win even though the chances of winning are high but do not guarantee a definite win. I'd rather have a few lottery tickets and gamble with a little money. because victory will definitely come if luck comes on the same day.

The point is that games that rely entirely on luck do not need to be played seriously with the intention of spending a lot of money just to buy lots of tickets. buy according to your ability and wait for luck to come  Wink
Yes, it's only normal that more and more people want to hunt for the jackpot prize because it is a lot of money that can change someone's life quickly. However, getting the jackpot will be challenging because they have to compete with many people who also want the jackpot. They will buy lottery tickets with a lot of money and continue buying tickets as long as they still have money. This lottery is one of people's choices when playing gambling because there is a very large jackpot prize.

There is no doubt that if someone buys a lottery ticket using a lot of money, they can run out of money before they can win the jackpot because getting the jackpot depends on each person's luck. Indeed, many people have experienced bankruptcy because they have used a lot of money to buy lottery tickets even though they don't have or don't know whether their luck will come or whether they don't have any luck at all. If someone doesn't want to take too big a risk, that person doesn't need to buy too many lottery tickets and only enough so that they don't lose a lot of money.

So we have to adjust the purchase of lottery tickets to the money we have so that we don't lose much money. There is no guarantee that we can win the jackpot if we are not lucky, so we also have to calculate how much money we want to use to buy the lottery ticket.
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January 16, 2024, 10:42:06 AM
#86
The satisfaction that is being given by one game.
For example: Plinko. For me, watching the ball drop gives me pleasure, I don't know why but maybe because of the expectation of the unknown. We lack the knowledge of where the ball will go, only the system knows where it will drop because it is already written in their script. But for us, we are only viewing a UI where the ball drops and somehow it gives some satisfaction to some gamblers.
Of course, the fact that we want to win will always be there, but the excitement it gives that we have a chance that it might fall to a high multiplier will always be there. It's as if we want to control the dropping ball to somewhere that we want it to fall but we don't have the power to do it.

Others might have the same satisfaction as other games while they are playing it at the autobet feature. But for me, I can watch Plinko balls for hours and just be excited at when it will drop on the highest multi-win.
It's actually addictive to just watch it too, sometimes I still watch them while I am eating or when I am doing something else. I cannot just take my eyes off them.

I remember the past when I played plinko, I confess that at that time whenever I clicked for the ball to fall I would start thinking about where the ball would fall and when the ball started to fall, I would be very attentive to watch where the ball would fall, but it was something that made me angry because when the ball was at the top it started to fall on the line where you won a lot, so I got excited thinking that the ball would actually fall on that line where you paid more money, but when the ball reached the middle the things were starting to get annoying because the ball took a detour and started going in the direction that paid less, I spent 5 hours playing and observing this, until the end I came to the conclusion that I should continue playing plinko

Only I would be wasting time and money because in those 5 hours of play it became clear to me that to win and make a profit in that game is not possible in the long term, even in the short term for a person to make some profit they would have to hit a large multiplier that would give them would allow him to win a lot of money and then that person would have to see if that amount of money he won covered all the losses and if so, then the person would have to stop playing forever, if the person continued to play then he would lose everything in the game and start having losses and problems in terms of coming to terms with the many losses. Honestly, I don't see myself playing plinko or other gambling games that depend on luck, I stopped playing all games that depend on luck, I just place sports bets
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January 16, 2024, 09:06:45 AM
#85
Yes, some people can get the jackpot prize so they can use the money to improve their lives. The story you got is an example of why, to this day, many people continue to buy lottery tickets because there is a very big jackpot prize that can change their lives. And they will keep trying to buy lottery tickets until they can win the jackpot.
Almost the average thing we find today is gamblers who want to hunt for big prizes or jackpots in lottery games, it is impossible for them to buy lots of lottery tickets just to have fun, this is not a casino game that can be used for fun, so there are differences between casino games and this lottery, until now lottery gambling is spread all over the world and there are many types, even where I live, almost the average lottery gambler is not only young people but also elderly parents where they hope for a big jackpot from the lottery prize. that is a fact

But there are also quite a few people who become poor and bankrupt because of this gambling game, even though it is clear that this game is pure luck and does not rely on any skill. If they knew that this gambling relies on luck, they would not need to buy lots of tickets and spend a lot of money, because they have lots of tickets. it is also not possible to win even though the chances of winning are high but do not guarantee a definite win. I'd rather have a few lottery tickets and gamble with a little money. because victory will definitely come if luck comes on the same day.

The point is that games that rely entirely on luck do not need to be played seriously with the intention of spending a lot of money just to buy lots of tickets. buy according to your ability and wait for luck to come  Wink
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January 16, 2024, 08:25:57 AM
#84
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Winning the jackpot is not an illusion because it can really be won but the problem is that many gamblers have fallen deeper into gambling. They keep chasing the jackpot and we know that when their lust takes over them, they will use a lot of money to get the jackpot. But because they are not lucky, many of them lose their money in the competition to get the jackpot and maybe the lucky person doesn't use a lot of money to get the jackpot. When someone is lucky, he can win more than other people. We also can't blame those who continue to use more money to get the jackpot because their desire can increase the longer they lose.
It not just an illusion, but getting it is like something where the percentage is very small or even impossible to get. This is what actually happens in gambling so not all gamblers will be able to get the jackpot.
Chasing the jackpot will be the same as wasting money for most gamblers with limited finances and those who chase the jackpot but with limited finances will feel what is called ruin or even poverty.
But this is different for rich gamblers or gamblers who have large budgets because they can just say they use almost unlimited amounts of money to have fun and of course it will be easier for them to pursue it, although it may not necessarily be successful but it will never be affect their finances.
All of us little gamblers should try to forget about getting the jackpot and better have better mindset like we gamble just for fun and don't really need to hope or chase the jackpot.
Just think more carefully, if chasing the jackpot will only make things difficult, then wouldn't it be better to avoid it.
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January 16, 2024, 08:11:44 AM
#83
Unless they are losing money they can't afford to lose, I don't think being overly optimistic is really a problem. I know people who like to play cards 3-4 times a week and they aren't necessarily good players (even after tons of experience), but they enjoy the camaraderie and see it as a chance to get out of the house.

I know gambling addiction is a real thing, but once you understand the true nature of the house edge, it makes it hard to spend too much money at a casino (at least for me anyway). It should curb one's "pathological optimism" problem.
This is true and is also happening here in my village almost everyday on card games or even cock fighting which is the common gambling activity here aside from lottery and mahjong. These people are you guessed it "not good players" but they spend more or less 12 hours straight on that particular game which sometimes ends them up not having dinner or something, they even have kids with them, so alarming right?

That serves as a reminder for me and others that the fun thing we experienced on our first try might be a stepping stone to get into a much worst scenario like addiction.
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January 16, 2024, 07:28:31 AM
#82
The satisfaction that is being given by one game.
For example: Plinko. For me, watching the ball drop gives me pleasure, I don't know why but maybe because of the expectation of the unknown. We lack the knowledge of where the ball will go, only the system knows where it will drop because it is already written in their script. But for us, we are only viewing a UI where the ball drops and somehow it gives some satisfaction to some gamblers.
Of course, the fact that we want to win will always be there, but the excitement it gives that we have a chance that it might fall to a high multiplier will always be there. It's as if we want to control the dropping ball to somewhere that we want it to fall but we don't have the power to do it.

Others might have the same satisfaction as other games while they are playing it at the autobet feature. But for me, I can watch Plinko balls for hours and just be excited at when it will drop on the highest multi-win.
It's actually addictive to just watch it too, sometimes I still watch them while I am eating or when I am doing something else. I cannot just take my eyes off them.
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January 16, 2024, 06:06:16 AM
#81
Yes, chasing a jackpot can lead a gambler to losses. He can lose money, time and mental health. However, subconsciously he can achieve exactly this, paradoxically. More precisely, of course, losing money and mental health is not his goal. But this is the price he is willing to pay to his fate for gaining experience.
     As for the jackpot, I was surprised to learn that there are rational strategies for finding it too. I read about a married couple of elderly mathematics teachers who successfully hunted for a large lottery jackpot in the USA. Their strategy was to buy up large lots of lotteries and track the winnings that had already been announced.
Well, if these gamblers can see and read what you write, they should be able to realize that they don't need to gamble too seriously or too often because it will cost them money and time. It will also affect his mental health because he will only think about gambling without wanting to do other things. It will affect his mentality because he will not be able to see other activities that can also give him pleasure. They will think that gambling is the only activity that can give them pleasure.

Yes, some people can get the jackpot prize so they can use the money to improve their lives. The story you got is an example of why, to this day, many people continue to buy lottery tickets because there is a very big jackpot prize that can change their lives. And they will keep trying to buy lottery tickets until they can win the jackpot.
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January 15, 2024, 10:32:08 PM
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Winning the jackpot is not an illusion because it can really be won but the problem is that many gamblers have fallen deeper into gambling. They keep chasing the jackpot and we know that when their lust takes over them, they will use a lot of money to get the jackpot. But because they are not lucky, many of them lose their money in the competition to get the jackpot and maybe the lucky person doesn't use a lot of money to get the jackpot. When someone is lucky, he can win more than other people. We also can't blame those who continue to use more money to get the jackpot because their desire can increase the longer they lose.
Yes, chasing a jackpot can lead a gambler to losses. He can lose money, time and mental health. However, subconsciously he can achieve exactly this, paradoxically. More precisely, of course, losing money and mental health is not his goal. But this is the price he is willing to pay to his fate for gaining experience.
     As for the jackpot, I was surprised to learn that there are rational strategies for finding it too. I read about a married couple of elderly mathematics teachers who successfully hunted for a large lottery jackpot in the USA. Their strategy was to buy up large lots of lotteries and track the winnings that had already been announced.
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January 10, 2024, 06:20:52 AM
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This is an interesting proposition. But I would say, for example, the illusion of winning the jackpot is not always just an illusion. Now I’m unlikely to find links to the relevant article, but in principle anyone can google it. The fact is that unique cases have occurred in history. People who have won the jackpot several times. You know, they say that the probability that you will be struck by lightning is very small. Nevertheless, cases are described when one person was struck by lightning many times (and he remained alive). Or people who have been in accidents many times and still remain alive.
      The same thing happens with the jackpot. This is not always an illusion, in my opinion.
Winning the jackpot is not an illusion because it can really be won but the problem is that many gamblers have fallen deeper into gambling. They keep chasing the jackpot and we know that when their lust takes over them, they will use a lot of money to get the jackpot. But because they are not lucky, many of them lose their money in the competition to get the jackpot and maybe the lucky person doesn't use a lot of money to get the jackpot. When someone is lucky, he can win more than other people. We also can't blame those who continue to use more money to get the jackpot because their desire can increase the longer they lose.
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January 10, 2024, 06:10:26 AM
#78
Well, what do we expect? They are addicts. But indeed that optimism seems not a right word to use there, since there is no point on why they continue doing it. They are like a cool guy when they say that being addicted is only just a minor thing for them. But for us, even a small loss is already a big deal. They look so confident when they say that, but deep inside there must also be a despair, regret and other negativities that they can feel.

We shouldn't blame or hate them but instead, we can do much better like trying to talk to them seriously about their problem. Once they get comfortable. That's the time they can confess and start trying to change their lives.
Getting addicted in gambling is one thing that we don't wish to anybody including our enemies because the consequences that comes with it isn't just gonna affect the concerned person but also people around hence the need to try stay accessible to them and ask help talk them out of it. But that being said, there are some gambling addicts whose level of addiction is too chronic for mere talks to help them out of it and that's why it's very important to know how to manage those kind of addicts especially when they're family members, friends or other close relatives.

So gambling addicts aren't as cool as they appear and would even draw someone into their addiction if the person isn't careful enough. In cases like this, I wouldn't advise anyone to go close to them as it might not end well.

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January 10, 2024, 04:09:36 AM
#77
Optimism often leads someone into misleading abyss, they will make several mistakes that may make things difficult for them in the long run.
But on the other hand, this attitude is also quite useful because every gambler with an optimistic attitude will never feel disappointment because they understand that there will always be something happy after losing.
But not all gamblers will have this mindset and I sure of that.

  Are there any other pathological features in the worldview of a gambler?
Of course there is because everyone has different point of view towards gambling, even every gambler who obviously likes gambling also has different point of view too.
It all depends on how you think about gambling activities and also depends on the gambler goals in gambling.
For example, you are gambler and I also gambler, you have goal of gambling as form of investment that can be profitable and I assume even if you have goal of gambling just for fun then it is clear how our mindset and perspective towards gambling will be different.
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January 10, 2024, 02:37:38 AM
#76
This is an interesting proposition. But I would say, for example, the illusion of winning the jackpot is not always just an illusion. Now I’m unlikely to find links to the relevant article, but in principle anyone can google it. The fact is that unique cases have occurred in history. People who have won the jackpot several times. You know, they say that the probability that you will be struck by lightning is very small. Nevertheless, cases are described when one person was struck by lightning many times (and he remained alive). Or people who have been in accidents many times and still remain alive.
      The same thing happens with the jackpot. This is not always an illusion, in my opinion.
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January 08, 2024, 05:10:06 PM
#75
Well, what do we expect? They are addicts. But indeed that optimism seems not a right word to use there, since there is no point on why they continue doing it. They are like a cool guy when they say that being addicted is only just a minor thing for them. But for us, even a small loss is already a big deal. They look so confident when they say that, but deep inside there must also be a despair, regret and other negativities that they can feel.

We shouldn't blame or hate them but instead, we can do much better like trying to talk to them seriously about their problem. Once they get comfortable. That's the time they can confess and start trying to change their lives.
Our lives can either go in a good path or wrong path, all depending on the decisions we take. Comfortable gamblers doesn't have anything to worry about, rather they're satisfied with the current circumstances they've found themselves and wouldn't allow anything to disturb them. There's this adage in the space "it's better to be clueless about something other than knowing something that will ruined your peace of mind" it's very simple. Gambler have no intentions other than grabbing good profits in the system, I've watch my colleagues grown to become an addict because he was too desperate and didn't hold back other than pressing forward for results.
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January 08, 2024, 03:33:15 PM
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Optimism is a dual thing. On the one hand, as has already been correctly noted, optimism can protect you from harsh reality. On the other hand, if it is pathological, it can cause you to continue to believe in illusions and go on a long losing streak, which is only briefly interrupted by winnings and does not affect the overall statistics. Such optimism sucks you deeper into debt.
  Are there any other pathological features in the worldview of a gambler?
  Maybe naivety? Lack of analytical thinking? Not working hard enough?

A gambler's mindset is all about seeking the thrill in the moment, often overlooking the long-term impact. They might downplay consequences, get caught up in the excitement of the game, and tend to avoid serious risk management. It's a mix of chasing the adrenaline rush and neglecting the bigger picture.
Gambler's mindset can be seen on his betting behavior, decision making, strategies and not only with thrilling experience 'coz not all people are into it; proof is people who manages their bets properly. Indeed related to optimism however not to all players and to all the time. Some gamblers are more of pessimists which makes them scared of betting that much but are still having hopes of a positive outcome. Being optimistic means you are seeing better things behind a bad one and not to conquer thrill on gambling experience which I guess not all people are aware of.
Optimism is a dual thing. On the one hand, as has already been correctly noted, optimism can protect you from harsh reality. On the other hand, if it is pathological, it can cause you to continue to believe in illusions and go on a long losing streak, which is only briefly interrupted by winnings and does not affect the overall statistics. Such optimism sucks you deeper into debt.
  Are there any other pathological features in the worldview of a gambler?
  Maybe naivety? Lack of analytical thinking? Not working hard enough?

Isn't it as a result of a psychological problem?  addicts hardly notice they're addicted, but when they do, sharing it with people is the last thing on their mind. I'd say that what could have caused pathological optimism in gambling addicts is the reaction of people around them, when they're made aware of the player's addiction. Some would blame the gambler, which could add insult into the injury. Other pathological features in the worldview of a gambler is that he'd want to solve his problem gambling himself. Most addicts believe since the problem is self inflicted they can resolve it without the help of anybody. The process of trying to heal on their own, then adds more years or months to the addiction which then gets more severe until it can't be hidden anymore. It's common amongst addicts to behave this way. Pathological optimism is a stage of gambling addiction where the gambler is now aware of his problem. In the initial stage the gambler wouldn't know he's addicted. A gambler that lacks critical thinking and money management can get addicted.
If optimism becomes a psychological problem then that would be illusion if it is with gambling industry; an illusion that you will someday win the jackpot as if it is guaranteed and will be worthy waiting for so many years.Not needing the help of other people is just pure independence and not in a bit, related with taking to some people who we thinks he could be having is time of.
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January 08, 2024, 10:36:14 AM
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Optimism is a dual thing. On the one hand, as has already been correctly noted, optimism can protect you from harsh reality. On the other hand, if it is pathological, it can cause you to continue to believe in illusions and go on a long losing streak, which is only briefly interrupted by winnings and does not affect the overall statistics. Such optimism sucks you deeper into debt.
  Are there any other pathological features in the worldview of a gambler?
  Maybe naivety? Lack of analytical thinking? Not working hard enough?

Isn't it as a result of a psychological problem?  addicts hardly notice they're addicted, but when they do, sharing it with people is the last thing on their mind. I'd say that what could have caused pathological optimism in gambling addicts is the reaction of people around them, when they're made aware of the player's addiction. Some would blame the gambler, which could add insult into the injury. Other pathological features in the worldview of a gambler is that he'd want to solve his problem gambling himself. Most addicts believe since the problem is self inflicted they can resolve it without the help of anybody. The process of trying to heal on their own, then adds more years or months to the addiction which then gets more severe until it can't be hidden anymore. It's common amongst addicts to behave this way. Pathological optimism is a stage of gambling addiction where the gambler is now aware of his problem. In the initial stage the gambler wouldn't know he's addicted. A gambler that lacks critical thinking and money management can get addicted.
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January 08, 2024, 09:31:32 AM
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      I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
I would highlight the following features:
1. Pathological optimism.
2. Lack of risk management.
3. The desire to understand some fundamental issues of the game (they talked about this themselves in interviews)
4. Love for the game process itself.
 What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?
Been optimistic about a game you did placed a bet on should be something you should definitely do because I don't see why els you gambled on that game if you are not expecting a positive out come form that game, it would have been better you didn't even have to gamble on it than being the first to doubt your own picks.

The love for the game is usually the drive behind Gambino in some cases, a typical case has to do with lovers of football, they become very passionate about football hence they want to take the fun to another level by probably earning from it and also getting even more excited and that's when the get to gambling. A good number of gamblers in some cases usually lack risk management and that's not in doubts as they will want to risk so much hoping to recover at any win they probably get lucky at but then a few of them also get to Mange their risk well enough too.
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January 08, 2024, 09:07:26 AM
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Optimism is a dual thing. On the one hand, as has already been correctly noted, optimism can protect you from harsh reality. On the other hand, if it is pathological, it can cause you to continue to believe in illusions and go on a long losing streak, which is only briefly interrupted by winnings and does not affect the overall statistics. Such optimism sucks you deeper into debt.
  Are there any other pathological features in the worldview of a gambler?
  Maybe naivety? Lack of analytical thinking? Not working hard enough?

A gambler's mindset is all about seeking the thrill in the moment, often overlooking the long-term impact. They might downplay consequences, get caught up in the excitement of the game, and tend to avoid serious risk management. It's a mix of chasing the adrenaline rush and neglecting the bigger picture.
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