Optimism is a dual thing. On the one hand, as has already been correctly noted, optimism can protect you from harsh reality. On the other hand, if it is pathological, it can cause you to continue to believe in illusions and go on a long losing streak, which is only briefly interrupted by winnings and does not affect the overall statistics. Such optimism sucks you deeper into debt.
Are there any other pathological features in the worldview of a gambler?
Maybe naivety? Lack of analytical thinking? Not working hard enough?
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I largely agree with you. Optimism truly protects players from harsh realities. But let's look at this from the other side. Optimism also prevents us from looking reality in the eye. Gamblers accumulate debts, play without any system or using a system that is very strange from a mathematical point of view. The most important thing is that many gamblers simply do not have risk management. They endlessly risk all their funds. They are optimistic, which is good for survival, but bad for thinking critically about their situation. Optimism is good if it is not excessive and if it helps not only to survive losses.
Yes, that is true because with optimism, someone will not be able to see what has happened and often, they will not realize that they have experienced many defeats. Optimism seems to have closed their minds to realize that it is time for them to stop gambling because playing gambling has caused them to experience many losses. But because they still feel optimistic about being able to win the gambling game, this makes them continue gambling.Having optimism is good, but we also have to treat it well so that it won't trap us. We can see that if optimism is excessive, we must be able to respond to it correctly. This is where a gambler must be wise about what happens to him.
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First, isnt "pathological optimism" merely coping? Gamblers encounter harsh reality; optimism may protect them. Calling it "pathological" seems harsh. Why not consider it as misguided resilience? Risk management is conscious oversight, not ignorance. They recognise the risks but ignore them. Why? Game thrills outweigh practical worries like risk. The game is an escape and release.
Finally, their passion for the game transcends addiction. Its hard to distinguish love from addiction. They live the game, not just play it. More than a hobby, its an identity. We must grasp this thinking to promote responsible gambling.
I largely agree with you. Optimism truly protects players from harsh realities. But let's look at this from the other side. Optimism also prevents us from looking reality in the eye. Gamblers accumulate debts, play without any system or using a system that is very strange from a mathematical point of view. The most important thing is that many gamblers simply do not have risk management. They endlessly risk all their funds. They are optimistic, which is good for survival, but bad for thinking critically about their situation. Optimism is good if it is not excessive and if it helps not only to survive losses. Finally, their passion for the game transcends addiction. Its hard to distinguish love from addiction. They live the game, not just play it. More than a hobby, its an identity. We must grasp this thinking to promote responsible gambling.
Op you are the master of Pathology Optimism. Lolz all those ones are just grammar. I will say all the gamblers have that mindset of optimism because that gives them moral to play the next game even though they loss the previous game. And you can't be unfamiliar to them and manage them, it is not don't in that way, but you have to know them vivid then you manage the risk that you have seen. And before you play any new game in casino you have to make some research about the game so that you know what you're playing. If you don't love the game you can't have that optimism. Optimism comes with love and likeness. A gambler must be a responsible Gambler so that he can control something by himself plus the addicting nature of him.
While there are many distractions when you gamble and it is trying to convince you to do this and that or bet more, don't get confused with it because that's part of the psychological effect that's being done by the casinos for you to stay and become too optimistic.
Like a special effect. Psychological attacks are very impact, and tend to be very difficult to cure it takes time. I am sure that with a strong psychological we are also able to control the game and be able to get victory, in contrast to the weak psychology, we will be controlled so the loss will be greater we get.
Well, what do we expect? They are addicts. But indeed that optimism seems not a right word to use there, since there is no point on why they continue doing it.
You have a point because optimism seems to be a positive word but on this one, it's being used as a negative effect for someone who gambles and whoever sees that effect on that person. But I guess it is what it is, whoever sees the negative from overoptimistic people have understanding of what's too much and not. 
Pathological optimism the hope anticipation that the current failure is a stepping stone for the next major win or breakthrough in gambling his word has made several people to keep struggling with their gambling addiction. Every wing from another gambler strengthens their world view that they are next in line for wining tickets. The keep at it both day and night. They spend their money and not their money too. These folks need help and a professional one at that.
The phenomenon described by the author of the topic is absolutely true, and I was always very surprised when I listened to interviews with avid gamers. They were fond of casinos, slots, betting, and poker, and they all had a strange common feature: they believed that sooner or later they would win back. They are either stupid or don't understand math. Her law states that the more you play in a casino, the more money you give to the casino, statistics work against the player, and nothing can be done about it. And the best way to make a profit in a casino is to play once. So the mathematical sample of cases will be minimal.
Pathological optimism the hope anticipation that the current failure is a stepping stone for the next major win or breakthrough in gambling his word has made several people to keep struggling with their gambling addiction. Every wing from another gambler strengthens their world view that they are next in line for wining tickets. The keep at it both day and night. They spend their money and not their money too. These folks need help and a professional one at that.
Well, what do we expect? They are addicts. But indeed that optimism seems not a right word to use there, since there is no point on why they continue doing it. They are like a cool guy when they say that being addicted is only just a minor thing for them. But for us, even a small loss is already a big deal. They look so confident when they say that, but deep inside there must also be a despair, regret and other negativities that they can feel.
We shouldn't blame or hate them but instead, we can do much better like trying to talk to them seriously about their problem. Once they get comfortable. That's the time they can confess and start trying to change their lives.
We shouldn't blame or hate them but instead, we can do much better like trying to talk to them seriously about their problem. Once they get comfortable. That's the time they can confess and start trying to change their lives.
First, isnt "pathological optimism" merely coping? Gamblers encounter harsh reality; optimism may protect them. Calling it "pathological" seems harsh. Why not consider it as misguided resilience? Risk management is conscious oversight, not ignorance. They recognise the risks but ignore them. Why? Game thrills outweigh practical worries like risk. The game is an escape and release.
Finally, their passion for the game transcends addiction. Its hard to distinguish love from addiction. They live the game, not just play it. More than a hobby, its an identity. We must grasp this thinking to promote responsible gambling.
Finally, their passion for the game transcends addiction. Its hard to distinguish love from addiction. They live the game, not just play it. More than a hobby, its an identity. We must grasp this thinking to promote responsible gambling.
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most gamblers definitely have the ambition of winning big at some point in their gambling life. thus, they tend to continue this habit and look for this possibility. unfortunately, a lot can easily be burned because of this belief. i guess, that's the usual dilemma of gamblers, aiming for a big win but sadly, the opposite of this happens. While there are many distractions when you gamble and it is trying to convince you to do this and that or bet more, don't get confused with it because that's part of the psychological effect that's being done by the casinos for you to stay and become too optimistic.
Like a special effect. Psychological attacks are very impact, and tend to be very difficult to cure it takes time. I am sure that with a strong psychological we are also able to control the game and be able to get victory, in contrast to the weak psychology, we will be controlled so the loss will be greater we get.
I watched videos about gambling addicts, in which the channel’s hosts interviewed them. I was amazed at how many of them were pathological optimists. More precisely, it’s hard for me to use the word optimism in conjunction with the word pathological, but still. Any loss for them is just a short-term nuisance. Optimism takes over and they play again and again, not paying attention to loans and debts.
At the same time, many openly admit that they are gambling addicts. But they talk about it as a minor detail of their lives. They admit that they are gambling addicts, but this does not make them stop. They, as usual, strive to continue the game.
I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
I would highlight the following features:
1. Pathological optimism.
2. Lack of risk management.
3. The desire to understand some fundamental issues of the game (they talked about this themselves in interviews)
4. Love for the game process itself.
What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?
At the same time, many openly admit that they are gambling addicts. But they talk about it as a minor detail of their lives. They admit that they are gambling addicts, but this does not make them stop. They, as usual, strive to continue the game.
I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
I would highlight the following features:
1. Pathological optimism.
2. Lack of risk management.
3. The desire to understand some fundamental issues of the game (they talked about this themselves in interviews)
4. Love for the game process itself.
What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?
Nicely explained. The problem with gambling addict is they think they have a chance of winning but they don't. There can be one or several large winnings but on the long run, the maths of odds would be largely visible and no one wins more than they lose. Every game has a house edge be it sports betting or lottery. You may thing it's your analysis that made you pick the right option but put those wins and losses in long term and they'll come similar to the house edge you get in other games.
The problem with gambling addict is either they don't consider probability and if they do, they believe they can beat it.
3. The desire to understand some fundamental issues of the game (they talked about this themselves in interviews)
I don't quite believe this, unless that desire is something like a desire to understand it better in order to make money. Understanding casino games is very simple if you know not very complex maths like taking a percentage and compound interest. The only thing you have to understand is the House Edge and how it acts as compound interest against you every time you bet. But of course, if you understood this you would be thinking about investing in a casino or setting one up, not continuing to gamble.
For a gambling addict to admit that they are addicted is one step toward their solution, but only talking about it will not make them stop. For example, if I am a drunker and I agree that yeah, I am a drunker, admitting the fact and telling people about it will not make me stop drinking; I will still be urged to drink, but if I have the ability to resist such an urge, then there is a tendency to prevent myself from drinking. So, as a compulsive gambler, the first thing is to admit that he or she is a compulsive gambler, and the second thing is to discipline themselves from gambling compulsively. The person should seek help from people around them, mostly loved ones. Gambling is one thing I know that if someone is into it, it becomes difficult to resist doing it, but the person just needs to practice self-control, or gambling will be in control of them.
It is true that most gamblers who are addicted actually realize that they are addicted to gambling, but they continue to carry out their activities because there is no urge that can stop them if within themselves they have no intention of avoiding this addiction. As long as they are able to gamble, they will not have a problem even though they are at the addiction stage because what is in their minds is to continue playing without stopping because someone who is addicted has a big ambition to win large bets, this ambition is what drives gamblers to continue carry out the action.A compulsive gambler cannot discipline themselves easily if they do not have a strong urge to regulate themselves not to gamble compulsively because basically compulsive gamblers only admit that they are gamblers but do not want to make efforts to stop or control themselves. However, if a compulsive gambler wants to express that they need help it will help them a little to push through their addiction to regulate their self-control.
I watched videos about gambling addicts, in which the channel’s hosts interviewed them. I was amazed at how many of them were pathological optimists. More precisely, it’s hard for me to use the word optimism in conjunction with the word pathological, but still. Any loss for them is just a short-term nuisance. Optimism takes over and they play again and again, not paying attention to loans and debts.
At the same time, many openly admit that they are gambling addicts. But they talk about it as a minor detail of their lives. They admit that they are gambling addicts, but this does not make them stop. They, as usual, strive to continue the game.
I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
I would highlight the following features:
1. Pathological optimism.
2. Lack of risk management.
3. The desire to understand some fundamental issues of the game (they talked about this themselves in interviews)
4. Love for the game process itself.
What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?
At the same time, many openly admit that they are gambling addicts. But they talk about it as a minor detail of their lives. They admit that they are gambling addicts, but this does not make them stop. They, as usual, strive to continue the game.
I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
I would highlight the following features:
1. Pathological optimism.
2. Lack of risk management.
3. The desire to understand some fundamental issues of the game (they talked about this themselves in interviews)
4. Love for the game process itself.
What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?
Nicely explained. The problem with gambling addict is they think they have a chance of winning but they don't. There can be one or several large winnings but on the long run, the maths of odds would be largely visible and no one wins more than they lose. Every game has a house edge be it sports betting or lottery. You may thing it's your analysis that made you pick the right option but put those wins and losses in long term and they'll come similar to the house edge you get in other games.
The problem with gambling addict is either they don't consider probability and if they do, they believe they can beat it.
Too much optimism is bad and if it's applied in gambling, you're going to be putting yourself in a much clearer space that no matter what you do as long as you're gambling then no one's will ever gonna stop you. And that's gonna result into a bad situation that you'll never like but can we stop them? As I've said, it's a clear space, a clear thing that no one's going to stop them from taking loans/debts and will use the money from there to gamble. Only themselves can stop their own point of view when the things don't go accordingly over their optimistic minds. There is always a limitation for everything and these gamblers will eventually realize that but only when it's too late.
What is clear is that too much is not good, it's addictive. This affects the brain and way of thinking, an addict will not care about what he will do, what the results will be, no matter how bad it is. If left unchecked, it will be very dangerous, possibly threatening the economy, selling the house and other valuables, getting into debt and even stealing.
It's true that you say it all depends on self-control, maybe a feeling of regret can provide enlightenment and encouragement to stop things from getting worse.
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We just have to come to a conclusion that optimism is a huge part of a gamblers life, hence why they return even after a resounding loss.Being a gambler takes a lot of gut, because one has to have a source where the money comes in from to sponsor such a habit and I know that a once in a while win, keeps the motivation to gamble alive, this contributes to one of the constituents of the worldview of a gambler.
The willingness to embrace uncertainty and make decisions based on predictions or probabilities is an integral part of the gambling experience. Gamblers need a source of income to fund their habit. It's a lifestyle choice that involves allocating resources for the purpose of betting. While losses are inevitable in gambling, the occasional win serves as a motivating factor. A single win can rejuvenate a gambler's optimism, reinforcing the belief that favorable outcomes are possible and contributing to the overall worldview of a gambler.
I watched videos about gambling addicts, in which the channel’s hosts interviewed them. I was amazed at how many of them were pathological optimists. More precisely, it’s hard for me to use the word optimism in conjunction with the word pathological, but still. Any loss for them is just a short-term nuisance. Optimism takes over and they play again and again, not paying attention to loans and debts.
At the same time, many openly admit that they are gambling addicts. But they talk about it as a minor detail of their lives. They admit that they are gambling addicts, but this does not make them stop. They, as usual, strive to continue the game.
I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
At the same time, many openly admit that they are gambling addicts. But they talk about it as a minor detail of their lives. They admit that they are gambling addicts, but this does not make them stop. They, as usual, strive to continue the game.
I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
Remember these people are gambling addicts. Everything is a minor issue for them, what a major issue is when they can't satisfy their urge to gamble. They have uncontrolled behavior when it comes to gambling, it is also obvious that their point of view might be distorted due to being a gambling addict. They might try to say something that will support their addiction and make them look not bad in front of people. They may shrug off issues of losing but obviously they can't shrug off the issue of not able to do their gambling activities.
For gambling addicts their world is the gambling activities that is why they keep on gambling even if they knew they are gambling addicts unless they wanted to turn on a new page.
Many gamblers feel optimistic when playing gambling and think they can win some money when in reality, they have difficulty winning from gambling games. These people have lost a lot of money in gambling but have not stopped themselves or even reduced their gambling activities because they feel they can win. And many of them are addicted to gambling but don't want to stop gambling before they win. Unfortunately, many of them don't understand how to manage the risks of gambling because they still gamble often and even use more money. For wise gamblers, they continue to try to manage and reduce the loss of their money in gambling, but not for gambling addicts.
Well, maybe they are still unfamiliar with risk management but if they don't learn it soon, they could lose even more money. They must immediately cure their gambling addiction because it can get worse and will cost them all their money. But it depends on the wishes of each gambler because if they still want to gamble more intensively, they will not be able to stop gambling.
Well, maybe they are still unfamiliar with risk management but if they don't learn it soon, they could lose even more money. They must immediately cure their gambling addiction because it can get worse and will cost them all their money. But it depends on the wishes of each gambler because if they still want to gamble more intensively, they will not be able to stop gambling.
most gamblers definitely have the ambition of winning big at some point in their gambling life. thus, they tend to continue this habit and look for this possibility. unfortunately, a lot can easily be burned because of this belief. i guess, that's the usual dilemma of gamblers, aiming for a big win but sadly, the opposite of this happens.
Being a gambler takes a lot of gut, because one has to have a source where the money comes in from to sponsor such a habit and I know that a once in a while win, keeps the motivation to gamble alive, this contributes to one of the constituents of the worldview of a gambler.
Many gamblers feel optimistic when playing gambling and think they can win some money when in reality, they have difficulty winning from gambling games. These people have lost a lot of money in gambling but have not stopped themselves or even reduced their gambling activities because they feel they can win. And many of them are addicted to gambling but don't want to stop gambling before they win. Unfortunately, many of them don't understand how to manage the risks of gambling because they still gamble often and even use more money. For wise gamblers, they continue to try to manage and reduce the loss of their money in gambling, but not for gambling addicts.
Well, maybe they are still unfamiliar with risk management but if they don't learn it soon, they could lose even more money. They must immediately cure their gambling addiction because it can get worse and will cost them all their money. But it depends on the wishes of each gambler because if they still want to gamble more intensively, they will not be able to stop gambling.
Well, maybe they are still unfamiliar with risk management but if they don't learn it soon, they could lose even more money. They must immediately cure their gambling addiction because it can get worse and will cost them all their money. But it depends on the wishes of each gambler because if they still want to gamble more intensively, they will not be able to stop gambling.
most gamblers definitely have the ambition of winning big at some point in their gambling life. thus, they tend to continue this habit and look for this possibility. unfortunately, a lot can easily be burned because of this belief. i guess, that's the usual dilemma of gamblers, aiming for a big win but sadly, the opposite of this happens.
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