Topic: Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property is real - page 6. (Read 958 times)

Having a digital investment is far superior than having a physical one. Even though it would be hard to lose a gold bar for example because you would hide it very well, even put it in a bank safety box, its at least possible, or fiat banknotes, or house burning down, whatever it is a physical thing could be destroyed.

Digital ones can't be, you could be scammed, or even lose your key phrases and all, but normally if you do not make any mistakes its there and there forever which means you will not lose it. Plus its easier to control, its a few buttons and you click them and either buy or sell, that is a much better and easier method then going and buying a whole house.

Not all property investors loose money, but some do, there is no complete assurance for any form of investment, the important thing is that,  have investments that have high chances of good ROI. Investment in crypto is good, investment in stock is good, Investment in property is also good. If it is possible to invest in all three, and it is within your means, you can so long as you can manage the risk. If it is a choice to choose two out of the three to invest in, my choice will be cryptocurrency first and Property investment. I think the demand for accomodation and land to buy will never cease, property investment is also advisable to me together with crypto even better than stocks.

You don't just underscore the value of Fiat. If you said that property is better than stock or even cryptocurrency it is greatly debatable but where you include Fiat which is the basis on which properties are acquired, it does not make much sense. Let us assume that you buy up to 12 landed properties, you cannot obviously live on 12 of them. You will hold some and allow them to appreciate in the future and you resell. So the idea is not to have a lot of money in a bank either you use it to buy crypto, stocks or landed properties such that whenever they appreciate you resell and have Fiat to buy more and the cycle continues .
There is no how you will value what money can buy but not value money.

I think you're one of those that just prefers what you can see. You're limited that way. None of them is bs. They're all investment. So if you choose one over the other it doesn't mean the others a bs. Have an open mind to things that's the only way you can learn about things you don't understand.

Surely this depends on the place of property, I also bought property in an area that looks good, but when I want to sell the house at this time, the offer from the buyer is lower than I bought 4 years ago, the house certainly has its own risk because there are many factors influence, and I suggest to invest other than home.

You got a point there but I think that wasn't the op wants to imply. He is trying to say that property is a real thing or has a physical appearance while cryptos and stocks do not have it. As for the fiats, they do have a physical appearance but they aren't an investment. They are simply a currency that we used daily for purchasing goods.

Even though stocks and cryptos are digital. They are still considered as an assets that you can invest and make a profit with. Being digital do actually have an advantage because they are easy to keep and you can have different kinds of them. While a property investment is something that is hassle in my opinion.

It was such a great rebuttal that for some reason you made a response that doesn't even closely refute o48o's response.

^Add the fact that this wasn't even the first time someone made a total acquisition of a public company lmao.

Ok, all this is nonsensical and somehow genders and a god gets involved. Many women own stocks, so what you are saying is just insane. I don't even know where to start or what's your point. So let's stay on point and go something you said earlier:

That's what happens when you buy a property, you can walk in a house you own for sure, but you literally only own it only on legal paper like you own stocks (or as signed in digital contract). Like you literally own part of the company and more you own, more you control and are responsible of.

You didn’t consider the life span of the property which can devalued it same with crypto, stocks and fiat that changing in value. You probably are old school investors which only believes on what you physically see. I don’t blame you because I have a lot of grandpa and uncle that only invest on physical things and avoid those intangible investment.

Things that you don’t fully understand shouldn’t be categorized as bs since most billionaire exist due to the bs that you are talking about. Most of the billionaire money is on there stocks to make it profitable and safe since banks can’t give insurance on all of them.

You say it is bs but still you compare things that don't even fall into the same category and are too confused about them too.
Fiat vs. Bitcoin vs. Crypto vs. Stock vs. Property.
You can't even begin to compare these. For example altcoins (aka crypto) are useless ergo there is no justification for buying them except for gambling. Meanwhile stocks at least are linked to a company and a product or service which get their value from on top of the speculation and market manipulation. Same with bitcoin, it offers useful utilities so it gets its value from there on top of speculation and market manipulation.
When it comes to property, the situation is not very different. There is an underlying value and on top of that we have the speculation.

You see from an investment point of view, these things (except altcoins) are not different.

I’m sure it’s very great rebuttal. But I would use woman as a litmus test to what exactly is this bullshit, whenever I tell woman to invest into stock, she would avoid it at any cost, but this bs only work on man specifically, that’s strange. It’s apparent woman has smell the bullshit even miles away from the snake oil salesman, as usual low EQ creatures like man often has curiosity to think otherwise, can you lie to woman? It’s not easy to lie to woman but it’s apparent so much easier to lie to man, man are some of the most easily manipulated gender ever existed and it’s all God’s will, god create man to be retarded and easily scammed, back to topic, stock is stock, business is business, after hundreds years its still the same stock is stock, you cant equal stock and business and woman has smelled that bs easily, earlier than any man can do, it’s once again man fall into it and after losing trillions of dollar into it but still too stubborn to realise how bs they’re buying into stock. Why don’t you ever consult woman once in your life about what exactly is “stock”?

You need to learn there's 2 kind of shareholders, it's minority and majority shareholders. If you only own less than 50%, you can't have a full control over your company especially you're just an investor, not the management. If you're a majority shareholders you will get an invitation for official meeting and you can make decision to improve the company you're invested.

Bitcoin is also real, you're the one who control the coin and it wouldn't disappear as long as you hold it on your hardware wallet.

You are indeed buying a part of a business when you're buying stock — it's just that most people are buying only a very very small fraction of a business when buying from public markets hence why you don't feel like you actually own a part of a business when buying stocks because you have no control over the business.

The fact though is, you can own the entire company(or majority of it) if you could actually afford buying the entire(or majority of the) company.

How about we forget whether they're BS or real? How about we forget whether they're merely snake oil or whatever? I guess the most important point here is that we make money, right? If we can do that by selling stones, we would, right? Or perhaps by selling nothing? So whether or not these stock, fiat, crypto are all BS, does it matter when we can actually sell them a lot more expensive than we bought them and make money? There are people who are willing to buy them, you know. And we can buy many more properties out of the proceeds.

I'll offer a different opinion than OP regarding stock vs property. When you buy common stocks, you buy some ownership of a company, whether or not it's significant depends on how much %-share you buy. Since people can buy a tiny fraction and more liquid, stocks are more inflated, way inflated than you think if you look at their P/E Ratio. Simply, stocks are way too overvalued. Sometimes, the price is detached from the firm's current performance, but more of a copium and hopium (yep, I called it BS price as well). Crypto is like stocks on steroids.

Meanwhile, people just can't speculate on housing, lands, etc. since it's way more expensive and illiquid. Therefore, these assets aren't being pumped as hard as stocks, but still, there are still boom and bust cycles in the property market because of institutional pumpers & dumpers.

Yeah, going to be difficult to take advice from someone who writes as poorly as you do...first off.  Secondly it is abundantly clear that you do not understand the concepts of cryptocurrency and it's even more clear that you don't understand the concept of company stock and how it works.  You actually do own part of a company, have voting rights etc.

I would suggest you spend some time studying about how it all works.

I can't deny that investment in property is very worthy and will usually continue to rise, especially if we have property on the development track. Then the results will rise very quickly. And of course, ethics related to real investment, property and gold are two things that are very related. Both are very worth considering and owning.

However, let's see, how much people can afford to invest in property? Only some people really have the money to buy and develop their property. However, ordinary people with a lower-middle-income economy would find it difficult to invest in something like this. Never mind buying a property, for everyday life they may be in trouble.

For this reason, digital assets exist, both stocks and crypto. Even though they are slightly different, most people can afford them. Even cryptocurrency can be owned by anyone. In my opinion, this is one of the special aspects of crypto, namely that everyone can invest in Bitcoin or cryptocurrency (provided they are really prepared with the risks and knowledge, not a random investment). So, this is why I personally still choose to invest in crypto because I haven't been able to afford the property and later plan to get an investment in property from the results of this crypto. And of course, most people must have financial management that suits their conditions. And what's more, it doesn't rule out that people have investments in various assets, right? As long as it is productive and promising, why not? what is certain is that we have risk management, assets, and finances that are good and suitable to us.

OP is saying that digital money is mere electronic data, paper money is mere wood pulp. While intrinsically backed assets like real estate are legitimate and real money?

That's not far from what precious metals investors have been saying for a few years now.

In the case of real estate, prior to the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis, it was thought by many investors that it was impossible for the price of american real estate to decline. No one could remember an instance where US real estate exhibited noteworthy downtrends. Which led to the urban myth of real estate only being able to appreciate in value. As a result, the ensuing crash of 2008 caught many completely by surprise.

There are many who claim that reverting to a gold standard would prevent inflation. However, we know that the roman empire experienced considerable inflation due to its denarius being devalued close to 2,000 years ago.

While there are generally assets which are more reliable and stable than others. I don't know if its accurate to say that anything has proven to be exempt from bubbles, devaluation or crashes. Everything has its time. And when that day comes, who knows.

I think that's the point with OP. You know, it's gets so easy to criticise what you don't understand and in doing so, you come up with a one sided and biased argument @OP.
Not everything with an online accessibility is completely virtual. For what is worth, people can still buy properties, Real estates and just about anything online and that doenst make them virtual.
Cryptocurrency might he virtual but, stocks aren't and even with that, they still do quite well in there field. These are as real as it gets and having to invest in them don't put you at a disadvantage, evey properties do lose value too. Let's not mix that up!

You admit that you don't understand what people buying stocks are buying into. Yet you call it snake oil and bs. When elon bought all the Twitter stocks didn't he bought the whole company? Do you know you get voting rights and options with stocks? You literally own part of the business with them.