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Every death that occurred as a result of people working on construction sites is one death too many, I wish none had died because they all left family and friends behind in order to make some money to send back to their loved ones.

If players and managers as well as football association chiefs from across the world had spoken up about this much louder than they already did then it would have been better.

I know England Manager Southgate and captain Kane were vocal about migrant rights and other things in March 2022 with various interviews but there has not been much noise after that. Qatar did introduce some changes such as minimum payment rates and other things after Amnesty published a report about how migrant workers were being exploited but after that there was not much in the media.

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In a news report it shows Qatar having made stunning base camps for the participating teams and for the match officials which would otherwise cost approximately £5000-£6000 per room per night.

The players and officials will be pampered and their every need taken care of but will this reflect with on field performances? Grin

I really wish that at least some of that money could be spent on compensating the 6,000 laborers who died in Qatar during the construction of the world cup stadiums (and also to the tens of thousands who got injured and handicapped). As far as I know, most of them received a one time settlement of $2,000 to $5,000. And it is a great shame that none of the players have spoken out against this. When they participate in the matches, they need to realize that they are standing over the dead bodies of thousands of poor laborers who were horribly exploited.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 17, 2022, 09:46:09 AM

In a news report it shows Qatar having made stunning base camps for the participating teams and for the match officials which would otherwise cost approximately £5000-£6000 per room per night.

The players and officials will be pampered and their every need taken care of but will this reflect with on field performances? Grin

I really wish that at least some of that money could be spent on compensating the 6,000 laborers who died in Qatar during the construction of the world cup stadiums (and also to the tens of thousands who got injured and handicapped). As far as I know, most of them received a one time settlement of $2,000 to $5,000. And it is a great shame that none of the players have spoken out against this. When they participate in the matches, they need to realize that they are standing over the dead bodies of thousands of poor laborers who were horribly exploited.

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I still find the whole situation strange because though it was about time a world cup took place in the Middle East (providing they had the infrastructure), the tournament will take place during the main seasons around the world.

Imagine what it will be like for players that have to give 100% for their clubs in their domestic league, then have to travel for the biggest footballing spectacle in the world, to acclimatise there in a country most players have never visited and then to actually participate in the tournament knowing there will be no rest after because they will return to their domestic leagues to carry on where they left off.

This will be one of the strangest football seasons on record....

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Hope it yes, but anyway for me it is absolutely no sense to play a world cup in a country like Qatar. Players with most probability will be tired because they will come from their leagues and they won't give their better

performance (another mistake was to play this cup in winter). Anyway, it is better for him to have more entertainment and comfortable structure.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 17, 2022, 09:46:09 AM

In a news report it shows Qatar having made stunning base camps for the participating teams and for the match officials which would otherwise cost approximately £5000-£6000 per room per night.

The players and officials will be pampered and their every need taken care of but will this reflect with on field performances? Grin

Hope it yes, but anyway for me it is absolutely no sense to play a world cup in a country like Qatar. Players with most probability will be tired because they will come from their leagues and they won't give their better

performance (another mistake was to play this cup in winter). Anyway, it is better for him to have more entertainment and comfortable structure.

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In a news report it shows Qatar having made stunning base camps for the participating teams and for the match officials which would otherwise cost approximately £5000-£6000 per room per night.

The players and officials will be pampered and their every need taken care of but will this reflect with on field performances? Grin

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 12, 2022, 05:03:31 AM

I'm not from the West, we're in the same global South, and it also was the same in Malaysia, women confined to the sports you mentioned (my mom played hockey, too).

It required a change in the things I mentioned above to switch things around and once that started, the wave was pretty quick too. Even in "the West", a prime example is Netherlands, who initially banned women's football decades ago! But since the late 1990s at least, started being invested in women's football (facilities, coaches, paid positions) and especially the past ten years they've seen a dramatic improvement in quality and performance. Plus they'll also be the first to introduce mixed football teams.

It does happen fairly quickly if the right things are in place, so that's just how it is in India, and rest of the world. Football in India anyway is underdeveloped even for men. You're a cricket country Wink

In India during the last one or two decades, women are becoming more and more active in different fields of life (politics, scientific research, army.etc). But sports is one field where the participation is still low. And it is wrong to blame the administrators for all this. From what I have seen, the interest from women is quite low in physical activities. And although the society has become more progressive, in some cases the parents and relatives may not be supportive of the decision by the females to participate in sports.

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Top news for WC is jerseys, weirdly enough. Mexico looks nice, England is questionable.

Iran also fired their coach so that's weird to do before the tournament!

Mancini promised yesterday to lead Italy to glory, but nah...

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Maybe in your country things are different. Here in India, the only instance when I see women playing football is when I travel to the north-eastern states such as Manipur and Nagaland. Apart from that women's football is confined to universities and colleges. There has been no change in the situation for the last few decades. And being a woman, I can say that among my friend circle very few are actually interested in football. Again, this maybe something unique to India and in western nations the situation maybe different.

I'm not from the West, we're in the same global South, and it also was the same in Malaysia, women confined to the sports you mentioned (my mom played hockey, too).

It required a change in the things I mentioned above to switch things around and once that started, the wave was pretty quick too. Even in "the West", a prime example is Netherlands, who initially banned women's football decades ago! But since the late 1990s at least, started being invested in women's football (facilities, coaches, paid positions) and especially the past ten years they've seen a dramatic improvement in quality and performance. Plus they'll also be the first to introduce mixed football teams.

It does happen fairly quickly if the right things are in place, so that's just how it is in India, and rest of the world. Football in India anyway is underdeveloped even for men. You're a cricket country Wink

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 10, 2022, 05:59:06 AM

Again, I'm sure we're underestimating just how many women are playing football now -- where there are developments in facilities and training and salaried positions, it's actually really higher than we're used to knowing.

Even in Malaysia where I used to play, in 2007 we'd see more than a third of teams/players signed up for tournaments were women. There was huge demand then, I think now 15 years later it's probably gotten bigger.

I think I know where your country is, but that's more cultural and peer pressure than what women really think themselves -- I think if they made more safer spaces like they did where I come from (as I said, facilities, training, salaried positions, like the men have instead of relying on goodwill and voluntary action), you might be surprised.

I mean if Afghanistan had droves of women footballers the moment facilities and staff cropped up...

Maybe in your country things are different. Here in India, the only instance when I see women playing football is when I travel to the north-eastern states such as Manipur and Nagaland. Apart from that women's football is confined to universities and colleges. There has been no change in the situation for the last few decades. And being a woman, I can say that among my friend circle very few are actually interested in football. Again, this maybe something unique to India and in western nations the situation maybe different.

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My problem with that has been the quality -- and I risk sounding sexist but it's still to me in general not competitive enough. The gulf between the strong teams and the bad ones are just so big, both at club and international level. That is slowly getting fixed as more clubs focus on their development at academy level (have to say my own club has been behind in this respect).

That is understandable. The number of women players (i.e those who play regularly at club or university level) is much lower when compared to that of men. And the actual numbers may be less than 1/10th of that in the men's game. So the player pool is much smaller to start with. On top of that, despite all the talk about gender equality, most of the women regard football as a sport that is more suitable to men. Women (at least in my country) prefer sports such as badminton, tennis, field hockey and swimming, which are considered as "more suitable" for women.

I think that the main difference between men's and women's soccer is the level of professionalism and finances.
There is a lot more media and public interest in men's football, which therefore has a lot more sponsors, money, and men's football players are paid much better and they can live from football.
There is much less interest in women's football from the media and sponsors, as well as fans, women are paid much less and can't make a living from football like men.
Because of this, very few women can play football professionally, and most of them have to find a job to make a living.
Until the financial conditions for women and men in football are equalized, we can't expect women's football to reach the level of men's football.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 09, 2022, 09:17:58 PM

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My problem with that has been the quality -- and I risk sounding sexist but it's still to me in general not competitive enough. The gulf between the strong teams and the bad ones are just so big, both at club and international level. That is slowly getting fixed as more clubs focus on their development at academy level (have to say my own club has been behind in this respect).

That is understandable. The number of women players (i.e those who play regularly at club or university level) is much lower when compared to that of men. And the actual numbers may be less than 1/10th of that in the men's game. So the player pool is much smaller to start with. On top of that, despite all the talk about gender equality, most of the women regard football as a sport that is more suitable to men. Women (at least in my country) prefer sports such as badminton, tennis, field hockey and swimming, which are considered as "more suitable" for women.

Again, I'm sure we're underestimating just how many women are playing football now -- where there are developments in facilities and training and salaried positions, it's actually really higher than we're used to knowing.

Even in Malaysia where I used to play, in 2007 we'd see more than a third of teams/players signed up for tournaments were women. There was huge demand then, I think now 15 years later it's probably gotten bigger.

I think I know where your country is, but that's more cultural and peer pressure than what women really think themselves -- I think if they made more safer spaces like they did where I come from (as I said, facilities, training, salaried positions, like the men have instead of relying on goodwill and voluntary action), you might be surprised.

I mean if Afghanistan had droves of women footballers the moment facilities and staff cropped up...

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 09, 2022, 12:52:02 PM

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My problem with that has been the quality -- and I risk sounding sexist but it's still to me in general not competitive enough. The gulf between the strong teams and the bad ones are just so big, both at club and international level. That is slowly getting fixed as more clubs focus on their development at academy level (have to say my own club has been behind in this respect).

That is understandable. The number of women players (i.e those who play regularly at club or university level) is much lower when compared to that of men. And the actual numbers may be less than 1/10th of that in the men's game. So the player pool is much smaller to start with. On top of that, despite all the talk about gender equality, most of the women regard football as a sport that is more suitable to men. Women (at least in my country) prefer sports such as badminton, tennis, field hockey and swimming, which are considered as "more suitable" for women.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 09, 2022, 10:47:59 AM

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Anyone else notice women's football getting a lot of coverage lately? My go-to news sites almost completely filled with news items. Even clicked on a few to find out it was not men's football as they report without mentioning the distinction. All good for me, better for the sport.

Concacaf ongoing now and four tickets to the Women's WC in Aus/NZ next year.

Bet on them occassionally but just wondering if it is time to also start following. Odds are wild in some games!

Being a woman, for me it is great news that women's football is increasing in popularity. But at the same time, I don't think that it can be compared to the popularity and money power of the men's game. Viewership for the women's events may be 1/10th or lower when compared to the respective event for males. The biggest problem is that women themselves are not that interested in sports and games. At least in my country (India) that is the case, and I don't know about other countries (especially the developed nations).

That's where you're wrong and probably need to look into the game in Europe, not money power but popularity anyway! Barcelona has been setting new records match after match this year with women's football (same stadium, and yes some tickets were given away but most were paid for) and I believe Netherlands actually also has more turnout for their women's national team.

It's a cherry waiting to be picked by sponsors etc.

My problem with that has been the quality -- and I risk sounding sexist but it's still to me in general not competitive enough. The gulf between the strong teams and the bad ones are just so big, both at club and international level. That is slowly getting fixed as more clubs focus on their development at academy level (have to say my own club has been behind in this respect).

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There is s lot of coverage in the media regarding the European games. Women have started playing better and better football as the years pass by and they have entered professional contracts too therefore their coverage has been increasing too. Nowadays men and women football news is reported on the same parts of websites and print media.

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Anyone else notice women's football getting a lot of coverage lately? My go-to news sites almost completely filled with news items. Even clicked on a few to find out it was not men's football as they report without mentioning the distinction. All good for me, better for the sport.

Concacaf ongoing now and four tickets to the Women's WC in Aus/NZ next year.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 09, 2022, 07:26:38 AM

Anyone else notice women's football getting a lot of coverage lately? My go-to news sites almost completely filled with news items. Even clicked on a few to find out it was not men's football as they report without mentioning the distinction. All good for me, better for the sport.

Concacaf ongoing now and four tickets to the Women's WC in Aus/NZ next year.

Bet on them occassionally but just wondering if it is time to also start following. Odds are wild in some games!

Being a woman, for me it is great news that women's football is increasing in popularity. But at the same time, I don't think that it can be compared to the popularity and money power of the men's game. Viewership for the women's events may be 1/10th or lower when compared to the respective event for males. The biggest problem is that women themselves are not that interested in sports and games. At least in my country (India) that is the case, and I don't know about other countries (especially the developed nations).

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Anyone else notice women's football getting a lot of coverage lately? My go-to news sites almost completely filled with news items. Even clicked on a few to find out it was not men's football as they report without mentioning the distinction. All good for me, better for the sport.

Concacaf ongoing now and four tickets to the Women's WC in Aus/NZ next year.

Bet on them occassionally but just wondering if it is time to also start following. Odds are wild in some games!

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Brazil seems to be the favorite team, at the same time Belgium is not a weak team. However, the Brazilian team has a lot of young star players. Brazil has talented strikers like Neymar, Raphinha, Jesus and Vinicius. On the other hand, Argentina's forwards seem to be a bit weak without Di Maria and Aguero. However, they will not depend only on Messi. Lautaro Martinez is a good enough player. Argentina's chances of becoming champions are not low.

Still if I need to classify the teams based on dominance on a few players, then I would place Argentina in the first group (where the team is overdependent on one or more players). Brazil will fall within the second group, although they have heavyweights such as Neymar. France, Portugal and Belgium will definitely be placed in the first group. But as per my calculations and assumptions, Spain and England will be in the second group. All that said, I don't have the opinion that one group is better than the other. Both of them have their own advantages and disadvantages.

each country has its star who will be the strength of the team. I agree with Brazil which is a strong team this year. Brazil's performance in the preliminary round is also not bad. it's just that the game displayed by Neymar and his friends looks untidy. I'm sure when in Qatar Brazil will play a more interesting game.
Brazil is still my favorite this year.

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Still we have four months to go for the main tournament, and given how unpredictable these matches have been in the past editions, I don't want to proceed any further with this debate. At this point, I agree with the odds being provided by the sportsbooks. They have Brazil as the favorites and most of us have the same opinion as well. My personal preference is for Argentina, but they seems to be overdependent on Messi. I want the final match to be played between these two teams. Let's see whether it happens or not.

Four months will run as if like two days. Already majority of the tickets for the World Cup matches were sold. By now 1.8million match tickets were sold in two batches. The next set of sale is goin on and it is expected to close by the end of August. Most of them have made Brazil to be the favourite, but I have a different opinion on some small teams making big wins same as that we experienced in the qualifiers.

Brazil seems to be the favorite team, at the same time Belgium is not a weak team. However, the Brazilian team has a lot of young star players. Brazil has talented strikers like Neymar, Raphinha, Jesus and Vinicius. On the other hand, Argentina's forwards seem to be a bit weak without Di Maria and Aguero. However, they will not depend only on Messi. Lautaro Martinez is a good enough player. Argentina's chances of becoming champions are not low.

I think we are in for a very uncertain and exciting world championship.
In the South American qualifiers, Brazil was very dominant and they are clearly one of the main favorites for the world title.
It seems to me that Argentina still has less chance than Brazil, but maybe Messi will show his magic again.
The Belgian team is old and I think their prime has passed in Russia.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on July 07, 2022, 05:17:50 AM

Brazil seems to be the favorite team, at the same time Belgium is not a weak team. However, the Brazilian team has a lot of young star players. Brazil has talented strikers like Neymar, Raphinha, Jesus and Vinicius. On the other hand, Argentina's forwards seem to be a bit weak without Di Maria and Aguero. However, they will not depend only on Messi. Lautaro Martinez is a good enough player. Argentina's chances of becoming champions are not low.

Still if I need to classify the teams based on dominance on a few players, then I would place Argentina in the first group (where the team is overdependent on one or more players). Brazil will fall within the second group, although they have heavyweights such as Neymar. France, Portugal and Belgium will definitely be placed in the first group. But as per my calculations and assumptions, Spain and England will be in the second group. All that said, I don't have the opinion that one group is better than the other. Both of them have their own advantages and disadvantages.

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if you only look at the negative impact, of course it's not fair. The positive impact of using advanced technology in sporting events will further help the game run more fairly. We also have to be aware, in the modern era like today, technological developments are growing rapidly, so that every sport or whatever follows the existing technology. more like a robot, I don't think so. Sports are still played by humans and the use of technology is only to support the game.

Yeah, but can you really stop every play and review it on the computer?, not really.

So that means you trust the human interaction in the game with the players and the referee involved. Sometimes maybe something was wrong but everyone continued to play, and that's fine.

Should we need to check every single interaction of the ball with a computer?.

I rather not.

And if so, like in tennis, do we want to have a maximum amount of "challenges"? I mean, I would much rather have a normal human football interaction rather than bringing in any of this technology

I think there shouldn't be a maximum of challenges, I believe it should be based on VAR refs and that's it. Teams shouldn't challenge anything, if there is a big uproar, the VAR team checks the replay and if they see something then they will let the ref know and the ref will watch it, if they do not see anything wrong it will continue even if the other team still goes on to make noise.

If the whole power is in the refs, and not the players then there is no worry. Look at NBA, the challenge system has been put in place and yet it's not used much. Plus if a ref gives a wrong decision, more often than not they will keep the decision unless it is a hugely obvious result.

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Quote from: kamvreto on July 07, 2022, 08:06:53 AM

~snip~
if you only look at the negative impact, of course it's not fair. The positive impact of using advanced technology in sporting events will further help the game run more fairly. We also have to be aware, in the modern era like today, technological developments are growing rapidly, so that every sport or whatever follows the existing technology. more like a robot, I don't think so. Sports are still played by humans and the use of technology is only to support the game.

Yeah, but can you really stop every play and review it on the computer?, not really.

So that means you trust the human interaction in the game with the players and the referee involved. Sometimes maybe something was wrong but everyone continued to play, and that's fine.

Should we need to check every single interaction of the ball with a computer?.

I rather not.

And if so, like in tennis, do we want to have a maximum amount of "challenges"? I mean, I would much rather have a normal human football interaction rather than bringing in any of this technology

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