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I see that there are MANY Messi fans here and they're anxious to know if he's going to play in 2026 or not hahaha
Here's a very recent news item where the player himself admits the possibility of playing in the 2026 World Cup

"Today the only thing I think about is getting to the Copa America well and being able to compete in it. Fighting it again like we always did, trying to be champions. Then time will tell if I'm there [at the World Cup] or not. I'm going to arrive at an age [39 years old] that I normally wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup. I said that I don't think I'm going to be there. It seemed that after the World Cup I was retiring and quite the opposite. Now I want to be there more than ever. [But] I'm not thinking about the World Cup and I'm not saying 100 percent that I won't be there because anything can happen. Given my age, the most normal thing is that I won't be there. Then we'll see to what extent. Maybe we do well in the Copa America and it happens. everything so that we continue. Maybe not. Being realistic it is difficult."


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To be honest, even if Messi plays in the next World Cup in 2026, I don't think if we can expect to see a good performance from this player because Messi is not going to be in good form anymore and even if we consider him as a legendary player, he still can't have the same performance, I think the bet thing he could do was to get retired from the national games before 2026.
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Brazil does look for a new manager that much is known, biggest name that is going around is Ancelotti, not sure if he still wants to manage because there are rumors of him wanting to retire, but if he does want to continue, then getting a national team is the best for retirement type of person, you get like 10-15 games a year with that team that's it, instead of 50-60 games with a club. This is why I honestly believe that it could be very well for Ancelotti to take place at Brazil.

Plus, even in a scenario where the worst could happen for Brazil on the short term, they are a football culture nation and they will continue to produce great talent and they will be fine, even in an issue for them now, could be solved very easily later on when the time comes, maybe this generation is not that great and the one that comes after this will be better. ıts true that they are not the Brazil we know from 10-20 years ago, but maybe they will be the best nation in another 10-15 years, who knows?
Interestingly enough, perhaps that was one of the factors behind Ancelotti willingness to accept the job and leave his managerial seat at Madrid. The difficulty of managing the National Team for every coach lies in the selection of players who will be called up, not in the number of matches and the busy schedule. I agree with you that this job is good for people who are planning their retirement.

I think the golden generation in the Brazilian national team will never end, new phenomenal seeds like Neymar will always emerge. In fact, I miss someone like R9, everything looks easy when there are players like him on the field. On the other hand, even though Brazil current situation is not good, considering that there is still quite a long time available, they can improve the situation for the better in the future.
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Brazil does look for a new manager that much is known, biggest name that is going around is Ancelotti, not sure if he still wants to manage because there are rumors of him wanting to retire, but if he does want to continue, then getting a national team is the best for retirement type of person, you get like 10-15 games a year with that team that's it, instead of 50-60 games with a club. This is why I honestly believe that it could be very well for Ancelotti to take place at Brazil.

Plus, even in a scenario where the worst could happen for Brazil on the short term, they are a football culture nation and they will continue to produce great talent and they will be fine, even in an issue for them now, could be solved very easily later on when the time comes, maybe this generation is not that great and the one that comes after this will be better. ıts true that they are not the Brazil we know from 10-20 years ago, but maybe they will be the best nation in another 10-15 years, who knows?
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I see that there are MANY Messi fans here and they're anxious to know if he's going to play in 2026 or not hahaha
Here's a very recent news item where the player himself admits the possibility of playing in the 2026 World Cup

"Today the only thing I think about is getting to the Copa America well and being able to compete in it. Fighting it again like we always did, trying to be champions. Then time will tell if I'm there [at the World Cup] or not. I'm going to arrive at an age [39 years old] that I normally wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup. I said that I don't think I'm going to be there. It seemed that after the World Cup I was retiring and quite the opposite. Now I want to be there more than ever. [But] I'm not thinking about the World Cup and I'm not saying 100 percent that I won't be there because anything can happen. Given my age, the most normal thing is that I won't be there. Then we'll see to what extent. Maybe we do well in the Copa America and it happens. everything so that we continue. Maybe not. Being realistic it is difficult."


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Ok I had a quick look and the interview he gave there on the Star+ documentary seems to be trustworthy. I didn't watch it, but assuming it is true these statements are quite interesting as he never said it so clearly and never gave a hint to what is on his mind about the upcoming international tournaments. I think it is great news if he stays fit. It would be an enrichment for the World Cup and when he doesn't play all games, it doesn't matter. Having him around one more time is great and I believe Ronaldo will be there, too.  Roll Eyes
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi
I think it will be out of place to compare a defender to a striker, Messi is still a key player provided he still players for the national team, he is still very much optimal with his performance and possibly would be allowed to captain the team if need be because of his abilities.

The fact that they won a game with or without him does not in anyway make him less of a key player, his presence alone in that team is such a big influence that can't be undermined by the fact that there are other younger players doing well already, it's normal that various erra comes and aswell pass but it still doesn't displace the relevance of the previous, the rising of new stars in the team is a norm that should be encouraged just like before Messi were others. Conclusively provided Messi is still a player in that team he remains key to them, winning match in his absence does not dispute that and it's really a good thing the team is becoming this strong.
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I see that there are MANY Messi fans here and they're anxious to know if he's going to play in 2026 or not hahaha
Here's a very recent news item where the player himself admits the possibility of playing in the 2026 World Cup

"Today the only thing I think about is getting to the Copa America well and being able to compete in it. Fighting it again like we always did, trying to be champions. Then time will tell if I'm there [at the World Cup] or not. I'm going to arrive at an age [39 years old] that I normally wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup. I said that I don't think I'm going to be there. It seemed that after the World Cup I was retiring and quite the opposite. Now I want to be there more than ever. [But] I'm not thinking about the World Cup and I'm not saying 100 percent that I won't be there because anything can happen. Given my age, the most normal thing is that I won't be there. Then we'll see to what extent. Maybe we do well in the Copa America and it happens. everything so that we continue. Maybe not. Being realistic it is difficult."


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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

Argentina and Uruguay are probably the best teams in the South American qualifier this time around.

Brazil is definitely not the classical Brazil that we all love.
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If Messi keeps playing until 2026, there is a high chance for this player to play in the next World Cup in 2026 and he can get into another World Cup with his team but I don't think this time Argentina will achieve the title of the next world cup against so maybe getting retired before next world cup can be a wise move from Messi.


Since winning the World Cup is so hard, it wouldn't be a surprise if they don't win it again. But which team do you think would be strong enough to win the title? I am quite sure that the vast majority will go with France, but I was taught a lesson last time because I was very confident that France would win the final game against Argentina. But I wasn't wrong for the first time. Guessing who is going to win a World Cup title is a losing game because chances are low that someone gets it right. My guess would again be France because I think they have the best chances, but that doesn't mean they are above all other teams.
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

He is still a key player even he is not the same as King Messi a few years ago, any teams against Messi team will set up the defense strategy to mark him.

Argentina still needs Messi for at least 2-3 years ahead and he will always become a key player there, maybe he will retire after the World Cup 2026.

I think it is more of a mutual dependency as Messi loves the game and wants the excitement that the Argentinian team can give him. The Argentinian people of course. Messi is a genius that can produce special moments in a game every time, but his game becomes more about passing the ball spaces that nobody else can identify that quickly and then serve as precisely. He is also more about free kick goals. His dribbling skills will decline in speed within the next 3 years I think, but I would still appreciate to see him play. With the role he has in the team, 38 years doesn't sound like too high of an age to still play a World Cup.

If Messi keeps playing until 2026, there is a high chance for this player to play in the next World Cup in 2026 and he can get into another World Cup with his team but I don't think this time Argentina will achieve the title of the next world cup against so maybe getting retired before next world cup can be a wise move from Messi.
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

He is still a key player even he is not the same as King Messi a few years ago, any teams against Messi team will set up the defense strategy to mark him.

Argentina still needs Messi for at least 2-3 years ahead and he will always become a key player there, maybe he will retire after the World Cup 2026.

I think it is more of a mutual dependency as Messi loves the game and wants the excitement that the Argentinian team can give him. The Argentinian people of course. Messi is a genius that can produce special moments in a game every time, but his game becomes more about passing the ball spaces that nobody else can identify that quickly and then serve as precisely. He is also more about free kick goals. His dribbling skills will decline in speed within the next 3 years I think, but I would still appreciate to see him play. With the role he has in the team, 38 years doesn't sound like too high of an age to still play a World Cup.
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

He is still a key player even he is not the same as King Messi a few years ago, any teams against Messi team will set up the defense strategy to mark him.

Argentina still needs Messi for at least 2-3 years ahead and he will always become a key player there, maybe he will retire after the World Cup 2026.
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Am always proud of Argentina and in most time i play my bet, i always include their performances into consideration and choose them to constitute my bet, beca am having the confidence in them to alwa go far till the finals by all means.
Confidence is exercised in all round specifically when we win heavily from the system. I ensure I always try my possible best to bet on the winning team, and not settle for lesser results simply because my favorite club is playing against a top side. Argentina winning the world cup was a great shock to most people, who could believe they will become winners, definitely not after hyping other countries like France and Brazil to lift the world cup. Featuring in the finals is a big dream for every players. Argentina won the 2022 Qater world cup with amazing performance from the players and Leo Messi is put infront for the champs.
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi
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I still believe Brazil have got a good chance at qualifying regardless of their loss against Argentina, after all Argentina is a small team either, Brazil still gat some good players and their team strength is still such that can be seen to be reckoned with but then their chance is now smaller.

Brazil sometimes always comes with surprises with the way they played their match, if we are to start with the mentioning of countries that may not qualified then we may not even include Brazil because one would have not taught about this with them, Brazil need to be steadfast in their performance, this is not what they will be hot and sometimes turn cold and keep disappointing like others do.
Brazil still has big chance of qualifying and indeed they could produce surprising results that make us perhaps not believe what they are doing.
For now, perhaps Brazil can still be said to be at the bottom or team that can be beaten by other big teams, but in the next match no one knows what it will be like.
But for now Brazil is being coached by Fernando Diniz who is temporary coach who will probably only be in charge if Ancelotti actually comes with an official agreement for Brazil.
It just that looking at Brazil development while competing in the World Cup, they managed to become one of the most successful teams by winning 5 titles.

Argentina is definitely qualify for the world cup, so far their performance has is really good and shows their readiness for the world cup, it will be out of place if they fail to qualify for the world cup as the defending champions of the title but I doubt if they will be able to keep the cup, it's most likely by the end of the world cup a new champion may emerge as other countries are really bracing up to winning the world especially the major host (the united states).

Am always proud of Argentina and in most time i play my bet, i always include their performances into consideration and choose them to constitute my bet, beca am having the confidence in them to alwa go far till the finals by all means.
Of course, the favorite for Argentina is really quite big because Argentina is team that really cannot be underestimated, even the surprise they give can be truly shocking.
Like in the 2022 World Cup, they managed to take the lead from the start but in the end ended in draw and had to shoot out on penalties. In this penalty match, Messi and his colleagues gave big surprise by winning the match against France.
But for the 2026 World Cup, Argentina appearance will be very different because it is certain that their idol or key player Messi will not be able to defend Argentina in that event. But several rumors are circulating that there is one condition that has been put forward if Messi wants to appear at the 2026 World Cup namely Argentina must win the Copa America in 2024.
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I still believe Brazil have got a good chance at qualifying regardless of their loss against Argentina, after all Argentina is a small team either, Brazil still gat some good players and their team strength is still such that can be seen to be reckoned with but then their chance is now smaller.

Brazil sometimes always comes with surprises with the way they played their match, if we are to start with the mentioning of countries that may not qualified then we may not even include Brazil because one would have not taught about this with them, Brazil need to be steadfast in their performance, this is not what they will be hot and sometimes turn cold and keep disappointing like others do.

Argentina is definitely qualify for the world cup, so far their performance has is really good and shows their readiness for the world cup, it will be out of place if they fail to qualify for the world cup as the defending champions of the title but I doubt if they will be able to keep the cup, it's most likely by the end of the world cup a new champion may emerge as other countries are really bracing up to winning the world especially the major host (the united states).

Am always proud of Argentina and in most time i play my bet, i always include their performances into consideration and choose them to constitute my bet, beca am having the confidence in them to alwa go far till the finals by all means.
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Yes, I also think that the coaching is a problem for Brazil. The tactics are really not working right now.  So either they change the tactics or the brain in someone new who can actually bring in better results with newer and improved tactics. We all know that they are expected to bring in Anchelloti as the new coach of Brazil pretty soon. But for that, they will have to wait till the La Liga season is over.  And I hope it is not going to be too late by then. Because of the way Brazil is performing right now, it does not give anyone much confidence about them.
I hope Ancelotti really takes up his managerial job in charge of the Brazilian national team, of course by waiting for his contract to expire with Real Madrid. In terms of experience at club level, I am quite sure that Don Carlo can improve Brazil performance, but we have not seen him manage any National Team in his career, this will be an interesting experience for him, and maybe after that he will decide to retire from coaching.

On the other hand, leaving Madrid was a mistake, he could achieve success in every competition, but as I said earlier, Ancelotti needed something new, yes a new challenge at a different level. The Copa America and World Cup will be a challenge for Ancelotti if he takes this job, I am sure he can achieve success there.
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Brazil did not perform well in this match and I think the recent performance of Brazil has not been very good as well. They have lost 3 matches in a row if I am not wrong. And that is just not good. They are a better team than just giving excuses. They should own up to their mistakes and should say that even though the performance has not been good in recent times and a lot of players are unavailable they are going to bring in better results in future games. That's what people want to hear and that's what they should do for sure.

These are the latest qualification results for Brazil:

Brazil 5-1 Bolivia

Peru 0-1 Brazil

Brazil 1-1 Venezuela

Uruguay 2-0 Brazil

Colombia 2-1 Brazil

Brazil 0-1 Argentina


Yes, it all started as usual with a massive win for Brazil, but then a surprise lost match against Peru started everything. They then went to draw with Venezuela, which is arguably the weakest in the region, and then went on to lose three consecutive matches.

I don't think Brazil has ever performed this poorly at any previous qualifier.

We'll see if they can come back against Ecuador
Correct. Indeed, Brazil performed very badly in qualifying this time. The defeat against Argentina added to Brazil's bad record. The match against Argentina should have been used by Brazil to achieve victory, especially since the match was played at Brazil's home ground. Brazil must immediately improve if they want to go to the next World Cup. The first thing that Brazil must fix is that they must immediately recruit a new coach. So far, Brazil has only been managed by an inexperienced temporary coach and it is clear that Brazil's performance has declined significantly.

Yes, I also think that the coaching is a problem for Brazil. The tactics are really not working right now.  So either they change the tactics or the brain in someone new who can actually bring in better results with newer and improved tactics. We all know that they are expected to bring in Anchelloti as the new coach of Brazil pretty soon. But for that, they will have to wait till the La Liga season is over.  And I hope it is not going to be too late by then. Because of the way Brazil is performing right now, it does not give anyone much confidence about them.
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I don't think much problem faced Brazil national team right now regarding have loss in last three qualifier matches, CONMEBOL have many teams slot will qualify to World Cup and not difficult yet how Brazil will back to the top performance and get finish under Argentina position when last qualifier match. Difference teams level between Europe and CONMEBOL I don't sure Brazil will have the same thing with Italy fail qualify to last world cup edition on 2022.
Brazil have two points left from Venezuela and not much problem by winning one match later automatically Brazil will be on 4th standings, left many qualifier match on CONMEBOL zone and I don't think so much with Brazil will difficult qualify to World Cup 2026 because they have many top young talented in their squad.

Yes!
FIFA has "capricious" the number of places for teams that will qualify for the World Cup and I also doubt that Brazil will be left out of them, but it is undeniable to say that Brazil is in one of its worst moments....
After losing to Colombia and Argentina, Brazil fell to 5th place in the FIFA rankings, was overtaken by England and Belgium and reached its lowest position since August 2016.

I hope that under the command of a new coach in the next stage of the qualifiers, Brazil can recover these points and start playing well again and not just "qualify".

Out of curiosity... here is the FIFA top 10 ranking:
  • Argentina: 1855.2 points
  • France: 1845.44 points
  • England: 1800.05 points
  • Belgium: 1798.46 points
  • Brazil: 1784.09 points
  • Netherlands: 1745.48 points
  • Portugal: 1745.06 points
  • Spain: 1732.64 points
  • Italy: 1718.82 points
  • Croatia: 1717.57 points
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First of all, I think Brazil is not going to have much problems. The performance is going to improve. And they are not going to face something like Italy. At least I have faith. But of course, impossible things might happen. But that is possible, not probable.

If we compare the performance of Venezuela to Brazil, we will see that Venezuela is performing better. After all, Brazil has lost three matches in a row. That is really bad. Venezuela has at least been able to get one point from those matches that they were not able to win recently. And they are definitely in a comfortable situation right now. But of course, there is still time.
I don't think much problem faced Brazil national team right now regarding have loss in last three qualifier matches, CONMEBOL have many teams slot will qualify to World Cup and not difficult yet how Brazil will back to the top performance and get finish under Argentina position when last qualifier match. Difference teams level between Europe and CONMEBOL I don't sure Brazil will have the same thing with Italy fail qualify to last world cup edition on 2022.
Brazil have two points left from Venezuela and not much problem by winning one match later automatically Brazil will be on 4th standings, left many qualifier match on CONMEBOL zone and I don't think so much with Brazil will difficult qualify to World Cup 2026 because they have many top young talented in their squad.

But we expect a lot better performance from a team like Brazil right? So maybe even though they somehow achieve what they want to do, which is qualifying if they do not do it convincingly, probably they are not performing as they should. And I think that in itself is a problem. Maybe they are performing well enough. But the question is how good as well enough? They definitely have lost matches that they shouldn't have. Qualifying for any competition should not be a problem for a club like Brazil. But right now that is exactly what has been happening.
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Brazil did not perform well in this match and I think the recent performance of Brazil has not been very good as well. They have lost 3 matches in a row if I am not wrong. And that is just not good. They are a better team than just giving excuses. They should own up to their mistakes and should say that even though the performance has not been good in recent times and a lot of players are unavailable they are going to bring in better results in future games. That's what people want to hear and that's what they should do for sure.

These are the latest qualification results for Brazil:

Brazil 5-1 Bolivia

Peru 0-1 Brazil

Brazil 1-1 Venezuela

Uruguay 2-0 Brazil

Colombia 2-1 Brazil

Brazil 0-1 Argentina

Yes, it all started as usual with a massive win for Brazil, but then a surprise lost match against Peru started everything. They then went to draw with Venezuela, which is arguably the weakest in the region, and then went on to lose three consecutive matches.

I don't think Brazil has ever performed this poorly at any previous qualifier.

We'll see if they can come back against Ecuador
Correct. Indeed, Brazil performed very badly in qualifying this time. The defeat against Argentina added to Brazil's bad record. The match against Argentina should have been used by Brazil to achieve victory, especially since the match was played at Brazil's home ground. Brazil must immediately improve if they want to go to the next World Cup. The first thing that Brazil must fix is that they must immediately recruit a new coach. So far, Brazil has only been managed by an inexperienced temporary coach and it is clear that Brazil's performance has declined significantly.

Maybe we were expecting to see a much better performance from Brazi based on what we saw from this team in the past and especially in the past World Cups because Brazil is the most successful team in this tournament all the time. But even a team like Brazil will have bad days, it's the time for this team to try to find better coaches and change the team.
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