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Brazil is ranked 6th and has only managed to secure 7 points in 6 matches from a total of 18 matches. I am optimistic that next year, precisely in September, they will experience an improvement in performance and maintain their hopes of qualifying for the 2026 World Cup. Several players in the main squad suffered injuries, which was the main factor in Brazil losing their previous three matches. If Ancelotti does not extend his contract with Madrid, then I think there will be an improvement in the squad.

If they manage to improve their performance, then good for them. Else we will witness the rare occasion where Brazil fails to qualify for the world cup. BTW, injury should not be taken as an excuse. Brazil is not the only team that has been impacted by injury issues. The fact that they don't have sufficient backup for their main players exposes their lack of depth in player pool. Brazil's performance during Qatar 2022 was horrendous. And looking at their performance so far in the CONMEBOL qualifiers, I don't have much hope for the FIFA World Cup of 2026 either.
The concern for Brazil fans is whether the former five-time World Cup winners will qualify for the 2026 World Cup. While the team qualified for the World Cup from number one in the points table, they are finding it difficult to qualify for the upcoming World Cup this season. Brazil was one of the most expensive teams in the World Cup but despite being the most expensive team, they did not make it to the semi-finals. The World Cup qualifying match is going on but the important players of the team are injured. The CBF never imagined that so many important players would suffer injuries at once. Most of the players in the starting XI are injured and we are seeing this deterioration in Brazil's performance.
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Currently, the players who are in the Brazil team are not so experienced due to which they are not able to perform well in the matches. And if Brazil performs like this in the World Cup qualifiers, they will not be able to go. It is true that Neymar Jr. is a good stickler and Brazil team would not be in such a bad position if he was in the team. A team needs experienced players to move forward whereas Brazil currently lacks experienced players due to which Brazil are losing matches with new players and stars. But if a well-experienced and old player like Argentina had played in Brazil's team, maybe this team would not have been in such a bad position. Since Brazil has all new strikers and stars, the game has not been so good and Brazil team has performed poorly in every match. How can we not accept that this 5-time World Cup winner Brazil team is so bad in this World Cup, if Brazil team continues to play like this then they must leave the World Cup qualifiers.
In fact, if we look more closely at the depth of Brazil squad, we will see that they have quite experienced players, but currently several important players such as Neymar and Vinicius are injured. There are still 11 more matches ahead, convince yourself that Brazil chances of qualifying are very big, as I said above. The points gap is not that big at the moment, and the match will be played again next year and things could improve again.
At present, due to the injury of the good stars of Brazil, the current players are not playing very bravely. If there were experienced players like Neymar, Vini, Casemiro, Anthony, maybe the Brazil team would not be in such a bad position and they would not have less points. However, with 11 matches still ahead, Brazil have a lot of potential as they are a big team and have good stars in their squad. If next year they can win the match against the opposition teams in a great way then definitely the Brazil team will be in a good position and they can improve well.
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Brazil is ranked 6th and has only managed to secure 7 points in 6 matches from a total of 18 matches. I am optimistic that next year, precisely in September, they will experience an improvement in performance and maintain their hopes of qualifying for the 2026 World Cup. Several players in the main squad suffered injuries, which was the main factor in Brazil losing their previous three matches. If Ancelotti does not extend his contract with Madrid, then I think there will be an improvement in the squad.

If they manage to improve their performance, then good for them. Else we will witness the rare occasion where Brazil fails to qualify for the world cup. BTW, injury should not be taken as an excuse. Brazil is not the only team that has been impacted by injury issues. The fact that they don't have sufficient backup for their main players exposes their lack of depth in player pool. Brazil's performance during Qatar 2022 was horrendous. And looking at their performance so far in the CONMEBOL qualifiers, I don't have much hope for the FIFA World Cup of 2026 either.
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Yes you are right, but what I want to emphasize is the whole picture. Maybe if we look at their success in qualifying for Qatar smoothly it was a success for them, but we also can't look at just because they were successful at that time because in reality they also couldn't make it to the semifinals at that time because they had to be defeated by Croatia.
When I see a club or a country play, I look at the whole picture, and when I look at Brazil, despite them qualifying well, overall I don't see them showing their true colors.

Yeah, I mean, Brazil is a powerhouse, they will always perform pretty well. Of course sometimes they lose at some game like against Croatia, in the same way the Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia only to then continue to win the whole thing.

Every player in Brazil is highly skilled. It's always a big name but of course they cannot always be at their maximum. They have won the most world cups in the world, and they have qualified to every single one. No other country on earth comes close to that.
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The last few years Brazil has shown a decline, but if we look into the composition of the actual players they are inhabited by many very qualified players, but when they play for Brazil it seems they lose their identity and do not play optimally. I don't know for sure what exactly the problem they face.
But this is not something new in football, England, Germany or even Spain have experienced the same thing.
Next year they will certainly be working with Ancelotti and I hope that will be a turning point where they will rediscover their true selves.

In the last qualifications, for Qatar, Brazil qualified first without losing a single match.

I wouldn't call that a decline  Grin
Yes you are right, but what I want to emphasize is the whole picture. Maybe if we look at their success in qualifying for Qatar smoothly it was a success for them, but we also can't look at just because they were successful at that time because in reality they also couldn't make it to the semifinals at that time because they had to be defeated by Croatia.
When I see a club or a country play, I look at the whole picture, and when I look at Brazil, despite them qualifying well, overall I don't see them showing their true colors.
The Brazil national team has performed below the expectations of many football fans across the globe but more especially  less of the expectations of Brazilians. The Brazil national team comprises of the players of the big clubs in Europe but one thing that's been lacking with the team is their failure to replicate their performances for their respective clubs whenever they're playing for the national team.
Several reports in the media suggests that the current Real Madrid boss Carlo Ancelotti is gonna take over the coaching of the team next summer and hopefully he's gonna help Brazil get back to winning ways once again
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The last 4 games were very bad, you are right, they didnt win any of them. Against Venezuela they should have win, but just before the end in minute 85 they got the 1:1 and play a drew. If they won that game, they would have been ahead of Argentina in the group, both with 9 points, but Brazil with more goals. After the game it got worse, losing vs Uruguay, Colombia and now Argentina. The next games are 9 months away, with the European Championship in Germany in between, which I think is the best thing for Brazil not to play at the moment.

Brazil started their qualifiers with a spectacular 5-1 win over Bolivia at the Estádio Olímpico do Pará in Belém. And then, in the next match they struggled but ended up with a 1-0 win against Peru. After that things went rapidly downhill for them. During the third match, they conceded a 1-1 draw against one of the weakest teams in CONMEBOL (Venezuela). They were leading with a margin of 1-0 till the 85th minute, before Eduard Bello made it 1-1 to give Venezuela a precious point against Brazil. Horrorfest followed, with loses against Uruguay (0-2), Colombia (1-2) and Argentina (0-1).  

I was also just seeing how the standings are for South America at World Cup qualifiers and it is truly horrendous to see Brazil in 7th place with very less chances to make it to this World Cup,I don't know how it would look a World Cup without Brazil,I guess this is the first one or we have a very very long time that we don't witness such thing.

I wish Brazil recovers but seeing their way of play in most of these games so far this looks more like wishful thinking rather than them having a real chance to make it back to this tournament.

It is impossible to accept that the Brazil team will be with such a performance. Brazil striker Neymar has been unable to properly control his team due to his injury. Because Neymar controls all the players with his experience but in this current situation it is never possible to survive with a unique team. Because the Brazil team is very low when looking at the points table, there are many new players in the Brazil team, which makes it difficult to attack the other team with their experience. Because this World Cup Brazil will be so low it was never expected.


Currently, the players who are in the Brazil team are not so experienced due to which they are not able to perform well in the matches. And if Brazil performs like this in the World Cup qualifiers, they will not be able to go. It is true that Neymar Jr. is a good stickler and Brazil team would not be in such a bad position if he was in the team. A team needs experienced players to move forward whereas Brazil currently lacks experienced players due to which Brazil are losing matches with new players and stars. But if a well-experienced and old player like Argentina had played in Brazil's team, maybe this team would not have been in such a bad position. Since Brazil has all new strikers and stars, the game has not been so good and Brazil team has performed poorly in every match. How can we not accept that this 5-time World Cup winner Brazil team is so bad in this World Cup, if Brazil team continues to play like this then they must leave the World Cup qualifiers.

The performance of Brazil was really disappointing and they are not at the level they should normally be. Brazil is known as the first team in the world and they have had many World Cup achievements but with this performance, we saw from them against Argentina they can't have any chance.
I think Brazil should stop thinking about Neymar and they need a new coach to do some reworks in this team.
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The last 4 games were very bad, you are right, they didnt win any of them. Against Venezuela they should have win, but just before the end in minute 85 they got the 1:1 and play a drew. If they won that game, they would have been ahead of Argentina in the group, both with 9 points, but Brazil with more goals. After the game it got worse, losing vs Uruguay, Colombia and now Argentina. The next games are 9 months away, with the European Championship in Germany in between, which I think is the best thing for Brazil not to play at the moment.

Brazil started their qualifiers with a spectacular 5-1 win over Bolivia at the Estádio Olímpico do Pará in Belém. And then, in the next match they struggled but ended up with a 1-0 win against Peru. After that things went rapidly downhill for them. During the third match, they conceded a 1-1 draw against one of the weakest teams in CONMEBOL (Venezuela). They were leading with a margin of 1-0 till the 85th minute, before Eduard Bello made it 1-1 to give Venezuela a precious point against Brazil. Horrorfest followed, with loses against Uruguay (0-2), Colombia (1-2) and Argentina (0-1).  
Brazil is ranked 6th and has only managed to secure 7 points in 6 matches from a total of 18 matches. I am optimistic that next year, precisely in September, they will experience an improvement in performance and maintain their hopes of qualifying for the 2026 World Cup. Several players in the main squad suffered injuries, which was the main factor in Brazil losing their previous three matches. If Ancelotti does not extend his contract with Madrid, then I think there will be an improvement in the squad.

I was also just seeing how the standings are for South America at World Cup qualifiers and it is truly horrendous to see Brazil in 7th place with very less chances to make it to this World Cup,I don't know how it would look a World Cup without Brazil,I guess this is the first one or we have a very very long time that we don't witness such thing.

I wish Brazil recovers but seeing their way of play in most of these games so far this looks more like wishful thinking rather than them having a real chance to make it back to this tournament.

It is impossible to accept that the Brazil team will be with such a performance. Brazil striker Neymar has been unable to properly control his team due to his injury. Because Neymar controls all the players with his experience but in this current situation it is never possible to survive with a unique team. Because the Brazil team is very low when looking at the points table, there are many new players in the Brazil team, which makes it difficult to attack the other team with their experience. Because this World Cup Brazil will be so low it was never expected.

For your information, the Conmebol zone is attended by 10 teams, in this zone FIFA has given 6 slots up for grabs so they can participate in the upcoming 2026 World Cup. From this point of view, I see that Brazil chances of qualifying are still very large. Even though they are currently in 7th place in the standings, I am quite sure they will qualify in the future.

Currently, the players who are in the Brazil team are not so experienced due to which they are not able to perform well in the matches. And if Brazil performs like this in the World Cup qualifiers, they will not be able to go. It is true that Neymar Jr. is a good stickler and Brazil team would not be in such a bad position if he was in the team. A team needs experienced players to move forward whereas Brazil currently lacks experienced players due to which Brazil are losing matches with new players and stars. But if a well-experienced and old player like Argentina had played in Brazil's team, maybe this team would not have been in such a bad position. Since Brazil has all new strikers and stars, the game has not been so good and Brazil team has performed poorly in every match. How can we not accept that this 5-time World Cup winner Brazil team is so bad in this World Cup, if Brazil team continues to play like this then they must leave the World Cup qualifiers.
In fact, if we look more closely at the depth of Brazil squad, we will see that they have quite experienced players, but currently several important players such as Neymar and Vinicius are injured. There are still 11 more matches ahead, convince yourself that Brazil chances of qualifying are very big, as I said above. The points gap is not that big at the moment, and the match will be played again next year and things could improve again.
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Well, if we assume that Brazil cannot beat Chile and Bolivia, then they probably do not deserve a place in the final part of the World Cup and there is no tragedy here. But there are really still many games ahead - 12 and Brazil has a huge number of opportunities to both improve its position and simply maintain its 6th place, which gives a direct ticket to the World Cup.
In general, this is a rather funny competition: 10 participants, 6 of whom receive a direct ticket and another one gets into the play-offs, that is, out of 10 participants, 7 teams can get to the World Cup at once. Incredibly difficult tournament!  Grin

I know, I know... It is not that I really believe Brazil could miss this qualification, but you are certainly right with what you said. If they fail, or any team that fails, does not deserve to participate in the World Cup regardless of their name and history as a football nation. And there are so many games to go, which I believe still calms down the Brazilian team and they think nothing bad happened thus far.

But this is where I start developing this tiny doubt about them. If they still think this is not a dangerous situation for them, it could backfire. It is all still good and 12 games to go. But when they now lose two or three more games against opponents from below them in the table, this could really become a tough qualification for them. At first you lose a game because you play bad, but then, you know, the games go against you for unexpected reasons. Brazil dominates, but then there is this red card and the penalty. 20:1 shots but that one shot of the opponent hit the upper right angle of the goal... You know what I mean Wink

Yes, I understand, sometimes absolutely incredible results happen, but the longer the distance, the more unlikely they are. There are 12 games ahead, which is 5 games more than in the Champions League playoffs. And as we know, the Champions League is always won by the same clubs, although the distance is shorter and we can assume that the dispersion will be greater.
In general, I have not checked, but I am sure that the bookmakers quote the probability of Brazil qualifying as 1.01. Moreover, taking into account the fact that the bet will be played only in 2025, we can say that this is a negative coefficient (lower than inflation).

Ok but this is where I don't know enough about the national teams in South America. I know that Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay are really strong, but I also thought that most of the other teams are at least not weak. Maybe if I can give an example, would you say that the game Brazil against Chile is about the same as Manchester City against Young Boys Bern? This is just to get an idea where to rank those teams in terms of strength. But I have been of the opinion that there is a certain baseline strength in South American teams that should never be underestimated and that those teams are occasionally able to take away points from the favorites. But this "occasional" could turn into a problem for Brazil now.
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The last 4 games were very bad, you are right, they didnt win any of them. Against Venezuela they should have win, but just before the end in minute 85 they got the 1:1 and play a drew. If they won that game, they would have been ahead of Argentina in the group, both with 9 points, but Brazil with more goals. After the game it got worse, losing vs Uruguay, Colombia and now Argentina. The next games are 9 months away, with the European Championship in Germany in between, which I think is the best thing for Brazil not to play at the moment.

Brazil started their qualifiers with a spectacular 5-1 win over Bolivia at the Estádio Olímpico do Pará in Belém. And then, in the next match they struggled but ended up with a 1-0 win against Peru. After that things went rapidly downhill for them. During the third match, they conceded a 1-1 draw against one of the weakest teams in CONMEBOL (Venezuela). They were leading with a margin of 1-0 till the 85th minute, before Eduard Bello made it 1-1 to give Venezuela a precious point against Brazil. Horrorfest followed, with loses against Uruguay (0-2), Colombia (1-2) and Argentina (0-1).  

I was also just seeing how the standings are for South America at World Cup qualifiers and it is truly horrendous to see Brazil in 7th place with very less chances to make it to this World Cup,I don't know how it would look a World Cup without Brazil,I guess this is the first one or we have a very very long time that we don't witness such thing.

I wish Brazil recovers but seeing their way of play in most of these games so far this looks more like wishful thinking rather than them having a real chance to make it back to this tournament.

It is impossible to accept that the Brazil team will be with such a performance. Brazil striker Neymar has been unable to properly control his team due to his injury. Because Neymar controls all the players with his experience but in this current situation it is never possible to survive with a unique team. Because the Brazil team is very low when looking at the points table, there are many new players in the Brazil team, which makes it difficult to attack the other team with their experience. Because this World Cup Brazil will be so low it was never expected.


Currently, the players who are in the Brazil team are not so experienced due to which they are not able to perform well in the matches. And if Brazil performs like this in the World Cup qualifiers, they will not be able to go. It is true that Neymar Jr. is a good stickler and Brazil team would not be in such a bad position if he was in the team. A team needs experienced players to move forward whereas Brazil currently lacks experienced players due to which Brazil are losing matches with new players and stars. But if a well-experienced and old player like Argentina had played in Brazil's team, maybe this team would not have been in such a bad position. Since Brazil has all new strikers and stars, the game has not been so good and Brazil team has performed poorly in every match. How can we not accept that this 5-time World Cup winner Brazil team is so bad in this World Cup, if Brazil team continues to play like this then they must leave the World Cup qualifiers.
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I feel like that's the trouble with the world cup, we are only getting to see a few nations and that's why I support growing the number of teams that will join, yes mostly it will be other European countries that get the benefit and I am fine with that too, but American or Asian countries that will be a bit different could be fun. Look at what Bolivia did last world cup, totally unexpected, or look at any time a different nation joins, like how morocco was a big shocker to everyone around the world.

I believe that even though they may have trouble during the qualifying period, I think a team that may have just lucky 2-3 games, they can shock the whole world during world cup and that will definitely benefit everyone. I believe that we need to end up focusing a bit about the situation and could get better with time if we know what we are doing. I believe that we are going to end up with a situation that will benefit everyone one way or another hopefully.
I agree, with more and more teams it is going to be both open to surprises a lot more and that will definitely be a lot more fun, but even if not, even if a bad team joins and loses all games and goes back, isn't it better to see your team there and losing then not even see your team there?

I bet that with more clubs we are going to see even more viewers, there are already a ton of viewers for it there is no doubt about that, but we are going to see even more people as well. That's really an important thing, billions are watching these games, so we should have a lot more people in order to make it continue for as long as possible. I think it is quite entertaining to even lose here, compared to not even be at the world cup all together.

I actually agree that it is definitely better to see a team perform in big stages of the World Cup and even if they lose all the matches they are gaining good experience. Maybe then next time they are going to do better. Compared to not seeing the team perform at all. After all, that's how smaller teams gain the experience and hunger to do better. If we don't give a chance to them to prove themselves, they are never going to be able to show what they are capable of.
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The last few years Brazil has shown a decline, but if we look into the composition of the actual players they are inhabited by many very qualified players, but when they play for Brazil it seems they lose their identity and do not play optimally. I don't know for sure what exactly the problem they face.
But this is not something new in football, England, Germany or even Spain have experienced the same thing.
Next year they will certainly be working with Ancelotti and I hope that will be a turning point where they will rediscover their true selves.

In the last qualifications, for Qatar, Brazil qualified first without losing a single match.

I wouldn't call that a decline  Grin
Yes you are right, but what I want to emphasize is the whole picture. Maybe if we look at their success in qualifying for Qatar smoothly it was a success for them, but we also can't look at just because they were successful at that time because in reality they also couldn't make it to the semifinals at that time because they had to be defeated by Croatia.
When I see a club or a country play, I look at the whole picture, and when I look at Brazil, despite them qualifying well, overall I don't see them showing their true colors.
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Well, if we assume that Brazil cannot beat Chile and Bolivia, then they probably do not deserve a place in the final part of the World Cup and there is no tragedy here. But there are really still many games ahead - 12 and Brazil has a huge number of opportunities to both improve its position and simply maintain its 6th place, which gives a direct ticket to the World Cup.
In general, this is a rather funny competition: 10 participants, 6 of whom receive a direct ticket and another one gets into the play-offs, that is, out of 10 participants, 7 teams can get to the World Cup at once. Incredibly difficult tournament!  Grin

I know, I know... It is not that I really believe Brazil could miss this qualification, but you are certainly right with what you said. If they fail, or any team that fails, does not deserve to participate in the World Cup regardless of their name and history as a football nation. And there are so many games to go, which I believe still calms down the Brazilian team and they think nothing bad happened thus far.

But this is where I start developing this tiny doubt about them. If they still think this is not a dangerous situation for them, it could backfire. It is all still good and 12 games to go. But when they now lose two or three more games against opponents from below them in the table, this could really become a tough qualification for them. At first you lose a game because you play bad, but then, you know, the games go against you for unexpected reasons. Brazil dominates, but then there is this red card and the penalty. 20:1 shots but that one shot of the opponent hit the upper right angle of the goal... You know what I mean Wink

Yes, I understand, sometimes absolutely incredible results happen, but the longer the distance, the more unlikely they are. There are 12 games ahead, which is 5 games more than in the Champions League playoffs. And as we know, the Champions League is always won by the same clubs, although the distance is shorter and we can assume that the dispersion will be greater.
In general, I have not checked, but I am sure that the bookmakers quote the probability of Brazil qualifying as 1.01. Moreover, taking into account the fact that the bet will be played only in 2025, we can say that this is a negative coefficient (lower than inflation).
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Seeing Indonesia only draw with the Philippines in the second match of Group F is certainly not a pleasant thing and this result makes Indonesia's chances of qualifying even smaller because it has not succeeded in improving its ranking in that group, which is still at the bottom.
In fact, there are still four matches and anything could still happen, but seeing as they could only draw against the Philippines, the next match will be against Vietnam and Iraq, which will be a more difficult match.
The Indonesian coach must be able to find a way to bring his squad to perform better because even though it failed to qualify, there is another tournament that is no less important that must be played, namely the Asian Cup.
Indonesia last qualification games have been so poor that it's reducing their chances of being able to have a spot in the world cup, they're still far behind in their group standings and they must really strive to at least be hopeful about qualifying, It's so sad that they had to draw in their most recent qualification game against Philippines and that caused their chance to still be reduced more.

 We can't predict their performance in the remaining games ahead because the teams they'd be encountering won't make it so easy for them, they're really going to be in huge struggle for the qualification spot and they may not stand a chance against those teams, but it shouldn't cause them to relent, they can still put in efforts to build back the team to be stronger and better.

 A whole lot is lacking in the team and more work needs to be put, efforts should be made, correct where the errors are, cover up the loopholes, the coach and his team has a task ahead of them to at least help the team stand out even if they're not able to qualify for the world cup, they just have to create a very good competitive aura for themselves.
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The last 4 games were very bad, you are right, they didnt win any of them. Against Venezuela they should have win, but just before the end in minute 85 they got the 1:1 and play a drew. If they won that game, they would have been ahead of Argentina in the group, both with 9 points, but Brazil with more goals. After the game it got worse, losing vs Uruguay, Colombia and now Argentina. The next games are 9 months away, with the European Championship in Germany in between, which I think is the best thing for Brazil not to play at the moment.

Brazil started their qualifiers with a spectacular 5-1 win over Bolivia at the Estádio Olímpico do Pará in Belém. And then, in the next match they struggled but ended up with a 1-0 win against Peru. After that things went rapidly downhill for them. During the third match, they conceded a 1-1 draw against one of the weakest teams in CONMEBOL (Venezuela). They were leading with a margin of 1-0 till the 85th minute, before Eduard Bello made it 1-1 to give Venezuela a precious point against Brazil. Horrorfest followed, with loses against Uruguay (0-2), Colombia (1-2) and Argentina (0-1).  

I was also just seeing how the standings are for South America at World Cup qualifiers and it is truly horrendous to see Brazil in 7th place with very less chances to make it to this World Cup,I don't know how it would look a World Cup without Brazil,I guess this is the first one or we have a very very long time that we don't witness such thing.

I wish Brazil recovers but seeing their way of play in most of these games so far this looks more like wishful thinking rather than them having a real chance to make it back to this tournament.

It is impossible to accept that the Brazil team will be with such a performance. Brazil striker Neymar has been unable to properly control his team due to his injury. Because Neymar controls all the players with his experience but in this current situation it is never possible to survive with a unique team. Because the Brazil team is very low when looking at the points table, there are many new players in the Brazil team, which makes it difficult to attack the other team with their experience. Because this World Cup Brazil will be so low it was never expected.
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Not just Messi, but Argentina as a whole didn't do much throughout the entire game. Argentina's goal seemed to come out of nowhere. However, Brazil can only blame themselves. This is their first-ever home FIFA World Cup qualifier. Brazil didn't look like scoring much; instead, they busy making fouls. The game wasn't flowing smoothly, with too many whistles. and there's no excuse just because they have key players injured Brazil couldn't break through Argentina. Lo Celso, De Paul, Enzo, and Mac Allister deserve credit for this game, and the defense acted like a strong wall. In my opinion, this Brazil isn't as mighty as it used to be. Their performance and quality have significantly dropped. After all the trouble, it's evident that the Brazilians have lost touch with the old days of good football.
In the Brazil-Argentina match, the game was less fouled and more fouled. Players were busy tagging illegally instead of tagging legitimately. Not only the Brazilian players committed fouls but also the Argentinian players. The foul for which the red card was awarded was not red card worthy as we later found out on review. It is difficult for any team to perform on the field after a situation where Argentine supporters argued with security personnel and at one point it escalated to baton charges. The match between Brazil and Argentina is considered as a Super Clasico match, but I have not seen anything like a Super Clasico in the Brazil-Argentina match, but there have been more fights.

Brazil didn't have many players in the starting XI, you can't look at it as an excuse, it's a reality and you have to accept it.

Many new players have been added to the Brazil team and old players were absent. Because in the absence of Neymar, the Brazil team was in a very bad performance because there were many fouls and many lapses in control from the start. However, the Brazil team had a bit more fouls in the beginning due to which the team was forced to red card a player at the end. But I saw that Argentina players were not polite and they committed a lot of fouls that were not that serious. It was a bit difficult for the players to control the game at this stage, especially from the fights between the spectators.

Brazil-Argentina match means a different kind of excitement as we have known for a long time but what happened in the latest Brazil-Argentina match can never be honorable for any team. Argentina fans were beaten and bloodied by security personnel in the gallery, and the incident drew widespread criticism worldwide. Not only Brazil's security personnel are to be blamed here, but we also noticed some ferocity from the Argentine fans. The security staff can take any decision to provide maximum security and that decision must be respected by the fans in the gallery but the Argentine fans got into an argument with the security staff without paying any attention to them. Arguing with the security personnel, the Argentine supporters got a little too rough on the security personnel and threw whatever they had in their hands at the security personnel, forcing the security personnel to charge with batons. But we would like to forget this kind of incident soon and hope that such unpleasant incidents do not happen in the future.
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I don’t remember exactly, but throughout history, one of this pair failed to qualify for the World Cup final once (I think Argentina, but I could be wrong). There is always a ticket for these two teams because the level of the other opponents is low and even if someone has a strong team (like sometimes Uruguay/Paraguay) there will still be enough tickets for everyone. But the game has another equally important background - it is important for Brazil to show that South America still “belongs” to them despite the achievements of Argentina in recent years.

I know and I am certainly one of those guys who thinks that it is impossible for Brazil or Argentina to not qualify. Now there is no need to talk about Argentina as they are fine with their 15 points, but this situation could be out of control for Brazil very soon. Everyone thinks it is no issue because there are so many more games to go, but out of a sudden Brazil plays against Chile or Bolivia and what was supposed to be an easy game for them with a couple of beautiful goals in now a game that feels like a game in the knockout rounds. They shouldn't take this lightly anymore, it's getting complicated now.

Well, if we assume that Brazil cannot beat Chile and Bolivia, then they probably do not deserve a place in the final part of the World Cup and there is no tragedy here. But there are really still many games ahead - 12 and Brazil has a huge number of opportunities to both improve its position and simply maintain its 6th place, which gives a direct ticket to the World Cup.
In general, this is a rather funny competition: 10 participants, 6 of whom receive a direct ticket and another one gets into the play-offs, that is, out of 10 participants, 7 teams can get to the World Cup at once. Incredibly difficult tournament!  Grin

I know, I know... It is not that I really believe Brazil could miss this qualification, but you are certainly right with what you said. If they fail, or any team that fails, does not deserve to participate in the World Cup regardless of their name and history as a football nation. And there are so many games to go, which I believe still calms down the Brazilian team and they think nothing bad happened thus far.

But this is where I start developing this tiny doubt about them. If they still think this is not a dangerous situation for them, it could backfire. It is all still good and 12 games to go. But when they now lose two or three more games against opponents from below them in the table, this could really become a tough qualification for them. At first you lose a game because you play bad, but then, you know, the games go against you for unexpected reasons. Brazil dominates, but then there is this red card and the penalty. 20:1 shots but that one shot of the opponent hit the upper right angle of the goal... You know what I mean Wink
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The last 4 games were very bad, you are right, they didnt win any of them. Against Venezuela they should have win, but just before the end in minute 85 they got the 1:1 and play a drew. If they won that game, they would have been ahead of Argentina in the group, both with 9 points, but Brazil with more goals. After the game it got worse, losing vs Uruguay, Colombia and now Argentina. The next games are 9 months away, with the European Championship in Germany in between, which I think is the best thing for Brazil not to play at the moment.

Brazil started their qualifiers with a spectacular 5-1 win over Bolivia at the Estádio Olímpico do Pará in Belém. And then, in the next match they struggled but ended up with a 1-0 win against Peru. After that things went rapidly downhill for them. During the third match, they conceded a 1-1 draw against one of the weakest teams in CONMEBOL (Venezuela). They were leading with a margin of 1-0 till the 85th minute, before Eduard Bello made it 1-1 to give Venezuela a precious point against Brazil. Horrorfest followed, with loses against Uruguay (0-2), Colombia (1-2) and Argentina (0-1).  

I was also just seeing how the standings are for South America at World Cup qualifiers and it is truly horrendous to see Brazil in 7th place with very less chances to make it to this World Cup,I don't know how it would look a World Cup without Brazil,I guess this is the first one or we have a very very long time that we don't witness such thing.

I wish Brazil recovers but seeing their way of play in most of these games so far this looks more like wishful thinking rather than them having a real chance to make it back to this tournament.
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Seeing Indonesia only draw with the Philippines in the second match of Group F is certainly not a pleasant thing and this result makes Indonesia's chances of qualifying even smaller because it has not succeeded in improving its ranking in that group, which is still at the bottom.
In fact, there are still four matches and anything could still happen, but seeing as they could only draw against the Philippines, the next match will be against Vietnam and Iraq, which will be a more difficult match.
The Indonesian coach must be able to find a way to bring his squad to perform better because even though it failed to qualify, there is another tournament that is no less important that must be played, namely the Asian Cup.
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The last 4 games were very bad, you are right, they didnt win any of them. Against Venezuela they should have win, but just before the end in minute 85 they got the 1:1 and play a drew. If they won that game, they would have been ahead of Argentina in the group, both with 9 points, but Brazil with more goals. After the game it got worse, losing vs Uruguay, Colombia and now Argentina. The next games are 9 months away, with the European Championship in Germany in between, which I think is the best thing for Brazil not to play at the moment.

Brazil started their qualifiers with a spectacular 5-1 win over Bolivia at the Estádio Olímpico do Pará in Belém. And then, in the next match they struggled but ended up with a 1-0 win against Peru. After that things went rapidly downhill for them. During the third match, they conceded a 1-1 draw against one of the weakest teams in CONMEBOL (Venezuela). They were leading with a margin of 1-0 till the 85th minute, before Eduard Bello made it 1-1 to give Venezuela a precious point against Brazil. Horrorfest followed, with loses against Uruguay (0-2), Colombia (1-2) and Argentina (0-1).  
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Brazil team is in one of the worst performances at the moment, and they are playing very badly in every match. Where the players perform well at the club level, the stars do not perform very well for their country. The five-time world champion Brazilian team had to withdraw from the World Cup in 2022 after losing against Croatia in Qatar. But currently the Brazil team is in such bad form in the 2026 World Cup qualifiers that even selecting them for the World Cup has become very alarming. Brazil is basically a good team as we all know but, nowadays, they are showing so bad games in front of the audience which is really sad. But of course it is true that if Neymar was in the team maybe the position of Brazil would not be so bad but because of his injury Brazil team is currently in the worst position in the points table. Today's match between Argentina and Brazil was one of the most exciting we've ever seen, with fans brawling in the galleries on the field. Argentina beat Brazil in this exciting match, it is not good for Brazil, they are currently in a very bad position.
The last 4 games were very bad, you are right, they didnt win any of them. Against Venezuela they should have win, but just before the end in minute 85 they got the 1:1 and play a drew. If they won that game, they would have been ahead of Argentina in the group, both with 9 points, but Brazil with more goals. After the game it got worse, losing vs Uruguay, Colombia and now Argentina. The next games are 9 months away, with the European Championship in Germany in between, which I think is the best thing for Brazil not to play at the moment.
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