FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 145.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2023, 04:56:19 AM

On this maybe I can agree with you. Football is by far the most popular sport in CONMEBOL region, and that too by a long distance. However, in the US they give importance to a variety of different sports. And this is one of the reason why they always top the Olympics medal table. But then, US is a country of immigrants. There are a lot of migrants from countries such as Argentina and Nigeria, where football is very popular. And this migration rate is going up with every passing year. So we can be confident that fanbase in the US will be larger in the future.

If we are able to check few things surely this will give us better updates as their policies are giving them edge too many immigrants are here, and they are having good facilities and other things which are helpful for having better training and financial packages, so this all is in favor of the USA, and they are ruling the sports world unanimously for decades few countries are trying to catch this all but its never been easy for them as things are never been on level.

Even their main sports are different like NFL, MLB and NHL but still they are best in quality and financial package which is not comparable in near future we can expect good changes but still no challenge for the USA in many sports with now they are getting better in soccer as well hopefully this world cup will bring few more improvements.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 25, 2023, 01:57:25 AM

Quote from: alegotardo on August 22, 2023, 07:51:58 PM

Certainly now scouts are much more attentive to good players, not only from Brazil but from all over Latin America, because the Arab Emirates are "stealing" European players with offers they can't refuse and so it is necessary to try to fill the gap occupied by these players.

Not only in America, but all over the world we have excellent potential players, the big clubs just need to have a less discriminatory vision and know how to see these opportunities, invest in new players.

I believe that this departure of European players to the United Arab Emirates will not last long, they signed some relevant players to be able to attract the attention of the world and raise the greed of other players in order to create an "organic flow" of new signings without the need to pay astronomical amounts for it.
Meanwhile, still unknown players may get their chance to break into Europe.... I hope this is a good thing.

It could stop if those players did not accept those generous offers, however I am not so sure that those owners are going to stop buying players at such high prices, I mean they have literally bought whole teams before and they have raised the price of signing up players all over the world, they are literally playing with free money and they are no afraid to spend it on what they want, so I doubt this tendency of European players being tempted to play on those leagues is going to stop soon.

Maybe something like this will last for a few seasons but it will slowly start to decrease until finally we only see a few players who are interested, especially those who are still quite productive unless they are players who are old enough, because they can play in a league with softer competition with a salary which is also quite large would be a better choice.
There are several players who play in the Saudi Pro League, they can still be said to be young and if they come from a country where there are not many choices of players to become the country's national team, it might not be an obstacle to keep playing for their country, but countries like Spain, Brazil, Portugal, I doubt their country's national team coaches will consider calling up players who play in the SPL unless there is no other option, and are these players still have a chance to play in the European leagues except in smaller leagues like in Turkey, Greece or Russia too.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2023, 04:56:19 AM

Quote from: nullama on August 24, 2023, 10:21:47 PM

The thing is that the US has a lot of very popular sports, as you mentioned, like the NBA, NHL, etc.

But in South America and Europe, basically there is no rival to football. Any other sport is a low second.

In those continents, when there's an important football match, the whole country stops. Everyone is either at the stadium, or watching it on TV at home or at a pub.

And when their home country scores, you can hear the roar from everywhere.

That experience is not seen anywhere else in the world other than South America and Europe.

On this maybe I can agree with you. Football is by far the most popular sport in CONMEBOL region, and that too by a long distance. However, in the US they give importance to a variety of different sports. And this is one of the reason why they always top the Olympics medal table. But then, US is a country of immigrants. There are a lot of migrants from countries such as Argentina and Nigeria, where football is very popular. And this migration rate is going up with every passing year. So we can be confident that fanbase in the US will be larger in the future.

Football is one of the most favorite sports in the world but in some countries like CONMEBOL as you said there is more popularity for football than other sports that's why if you make CONMEBOL host a football game we know there is higher interest for people to watch this game while in America they give more priority to other sports but still since there are many people migrate America they can have interest on football.
Generally, I don't think if we see any problems regarding this in America.

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Quote from: nullama on August 24, 2023, 10:21:47 PM

The thing is that the US has a lot of very popular sports, as you mentioned, like the NBA, NHL, etc.

But in South America and Europe, basically there is no rival to football. Any other sport is a low second.

In those continents, when there's an important football match, the whole country stops. Everyone is either at the stadium, or watching it on TV at home or at a pub.

And when their home country scores, you can hear the roar from everywhere.

That experience is not seen anywhere else in the world other than South America and Europe.

On this maybe I can agree with you. Football is by far the most popular sport in CONMEBOL region, and that too by a long distance. However, in the US they give importance to a variety of different sports. And this is one of the reason why they always top the Olympics medal table. But then, US is a country of immigrants. There are a lot of migrants from countries such as Argentina and Nigeria, where football is very popular. And this migration rate is going up with every passing year. So we can be confident that fanbase in the US will be larger in the future.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 24, 2023, 09:37:42 AM

FIFA has opened a disciplinary proceedings against Luis Rubiales today being Thursday, after the Spanish Football Federation president, kissed Spain star, Jenni Hermoso on the lips following the Women’s World Cup final last weekend.

“The FIFA disciplinary committee informed Luis Rubiales, president of the Spanish Football Association, today that it is opening disciplinary proceedings against him based on the events that occurred during the finals,” world football’s governing body said in a statement.

FIFA said the incident “may constitute violations of article 13 paragraphs 1 and 2 of the FIFA disciplinary code”.
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This same issue was discussed here some few pages back, most of us saw it as nothing though, but I think I am personally glad that fifa is taking up the matter now, atleast, this will teach the man a lesson and deter others from following in the same footprint

Wow, how did I make the mistake of posting this here, I was supposed to post it in the 2023 Women's FIFA world cup thread, mistakenly did that here, I sincerely apologize for the error, and implore you guys to please ignore the comment, for some reason, I failed to properly verify the thread I was commenting on before putting up this comment, I mistakenly assumed this thread to be women 2023 fifa world cup thread, even though the comment is fifa related, It's not supposed to be here, I apologize once again for the error please.

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Quote from: alegotardo on August 22, 2023, 07:51:58 PM

Certainly now scouts are much more attentive to good players, not only from Brazil but from all over Latin America, because the Arab Emirates are "stealing" European players with offers they can't refuse and so it is necessary to try to fill the gap occupied by these players.

Not only in America, but all over the world we have excellent potential players, the big clubs just need to have a less discriminatory vision and know how to see these opportunities, invest in new players.

I believe that this departure of European players to the United Arab Emirates will not last long, they signed some relevant players to be able to attract the attention of the world and raise the greed of other players in order to create an "organic flow" of new signings without the need to pay astronomical amounts for it.
Meanwhile, still unknown players may get their chance to break into Europe.... I hope this is a good thing.

It could stop if those players did not accept those generous offers, however I am not so sure that those owners are going to stop buying players at such high prices, I mean they have literally bought whole teams before and they have raised the price of signing up players all over the world, they are literally playing with free money and they are no afraid to spend it on what they want, so I doubt this tendency of European players being tempted to play on those leagues is going to stop soon.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 24, 2023, 11:48:35 AM

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A lot of people claim that association football is not very popular in the United States, because the MLS is nowhere near NBA or NFL in terms of revenues. But it may also be due to the fact that the quality of MLS may be low. I don't know how much was the viewership for the recently concluded 2022 FIFA World Cup in the United States. I would assume that it was quite decent, since a large part of the American population is of migrant descent, and originates from football crazy nations such as Mexico, Colombia and Venezuela.

The thing is that the US has a lot of very popular sports, as you mentioned, like the NBA, NHL, etc.

But in South America and Europe, basically there is no rival to football. Any other sport is a low second.

In those continents, when there's an important football match, the whole country stops. Everyone is either at the stadium, or watching it on TV at home or at a pub.

And when their home country scores, you can hear the roar from everywhere.

That experience is not seen anywhere else in the world other than South America and Europe.

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Quote from: Strongkored on August 24, 2023, 05:25:22 AM

Spectators who come to the stadium to watch the match are of course not only because they want to see the match but also to see their favorite team play, so I don't think such a scenario will happen except for big matches like finals or when the home team is playing. Matches from teams that are not considered attractive will only be watched by spectators from the country of origin of the team. So with the growing development of football in the USA, it will not make it difficult for foreign spectators to get tickets unless the hosts sell them at low prices because many will feel it is important to watch because they want to get entertainment from the match.
If what you say happens, of course, it will also happen during the World Cup in Brazil because they are a country with people who really love football, so watching World Cup matches in stadiums will also be something that is done and we see that the world cup is still quite a lot. with foreign audiences

It's basically a type of people that have fun just like how others do it with going to movies, or going to theater, or going to opera, or whatever. They all get together, and they all watch the game and they all end up friending each other.

When you go watch a game, you end up with friends basically, even if they were not your friends before the game, you become friends after the game and then for the next game you chat on whatsapp to meetup beforehand to grab a couple of drinks, then go to the game. That's how it starts and that's an important thing. This is a hobby thing, it might be making millions and millions for the players, but those millions usually come from viewers, and sponsors who want to reach to those viewers.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 24, 2023, 07:34:01 AM

I think in the USA football was never the most popular sport and other sports like basketball got more priority than football. But since in the USA we are going to have them hosting the 2026 World Cup, I think that's normal to see more interest from people in the country to watch the games than before.
Whenever a country is hosting the World Cup we have their people getting interested to watch the games more than before.

A lot of people claim that association football is not very popular in the United States, because the MLS is nowhere near NBA or NFL in terms of revenues. But it may also be due to the fact that the quality of MLS may be low. I don't know how much was the viewership for the recently concluded 2022 FIFA World Cup in the United States. I would assume that it was quite decent, since a large part of the American population is of migrant descent, and originates from football crazy nations such as Mexico, Colombia and Venezuela.

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Quote from: nullama on August 23, 2023, 09:20:34 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 23, 2023, 01:31:17 PM

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A lot of people are making so much hue and cry about Saudis purchasing star players for 3x or 5x their fair price. But we need to remember that it was European clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain which started this trend. Now they are getting a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they are complaining. There seems to be one rule for the Europeans and another for the non-Europeans. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar once said: "Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems".

I think that's a fair statement.

The main difference probably is that the European leagues have been established for a long time already, and are full of talented players. It makes sense to have high offers there because it is really competitive.

On the other hand, in Saudi Arabia, and other similar places, the quality of the current players is nowhere near the European leagues. It's only money, so that's why it doesn't make sense, at the moment at least. Maybe in 10 years the Saudi League will become the most prestigious one. Who knows.

If they will keep up on what they can offer which is really going to last long because they are a rich country, there's no wonder that there will be some new additional to their league soon as that can indeed enticed successful players but aside from that, they also need to culture one of their own as that will be their pride instead of always having foreign players to come and play for them.

Going to a much bigger picture, I have no doubts that Saudi League will be a prestigious one in the next decade because they are already doing a good job these days and with money, they can always have what they want even if they will be rejected in some days.

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FIFA has opened a disciplinary proceedings against Luis Rubiales today being Thursday, after the Spanish Football Federation president, kissed Spain star, Jenni Hermoso on the lips following the Women’s World Cup final last weekend.

“The FIFA disciplinary committee informed Luis Rubiales, president of the Spanish Football Association, today that it is opening disciplinary proceedings against him based on the events that occurred during the finals,” world football’s governing body said in a statement.

FIFA said the incident “may constitute violations of article 13 paragraphs 1 and 2 of the FIFA disciplinary code”.
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This same issue was discussed here some few pages back, most of us saw it as nothing though, but I think I am personally glad that fifa is taking up the matter now, atleast, this will teach the man a lesson and deter others from following in the same footprint.

Read the full news article on - https://punchng.com/fifa-opens-disciplinary-proceedings-against-rubiales-over-kiss/?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=social

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 23, 2023, 11:24:32 PM

I was reading an article online and it highlighted a very interesting fact that football fever is on the rise in US even before the World Cup officially kicks off and this was evident when an almost full packed stadium turned up for Newcastle vs Brighton match. Further this will bring up an interesting scenario what if the locals buy most tickets and leave little or no tickets at all for tourists because I was under the impression that football isn’t much popular there but I was clearly wrong.

I think under FIFA rules, there are provisions on how tickets to world cup matches can be sold among fans hence the needless of external fans to panick about who buys more if the tickets when the World Cup is finally hosted in the Canadia/Mexico/United States.
Initially, we were meant to believe that football isn't a popular sports in the United States instead they prefer basketball but from the number of fans that's been seen around the stadium since Lionel Messi joined the MLS, I think that impression wasn't correct. Watching the FIFA World Cup in US in 2024 will be a good experience for fans across the world

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 23, 2023, 11:24:32 PM

I was reading an article online and it highlighted a very interesting fact that football fever is on the rise in US even before the World Cup officially kicks off and this was evident when an almost full packed stadium turned up for Newcastle vs Brighton match. Further this will bring up an interesting scenario what if the locals buy most tickets and leave little or no tickets at all for tourists because I was under the impression that football isn’t much popular there but I was clearly wrong.

I think in the USA football was never the most popular sport and other sports like basketball got more priority than football. But since in the USA we are going to have them hosting the 2026 World Cup, I think that's normal to see more interest from people in the country to watch the games than before.
Whenever a country is hosting the World Cup we have their people getting interested to watch the games more than before.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 23, 2023, 11:24:32 PM

I was reading an article online and it highlighted a very interesting fact that football fever is on the rise in US even before the World Cup officially kicks off and this was evident when an almost full packed stadium turned up for Newcastle vs Brighton match. Further this will bring up an interesting scenario what if the locals buy most tickets and leave little or no tickets at all for tourists because I was under the impression that football isn’t much popular there but I was clearly wrong.

Spectators who come to the stadium to watch the match are of course not only because they want to see the match but also to see their favorite team play, so I don't think such a scenario will happen except for big matches like finals or when the home team is playing. Matches from teams that are not considered attractive will only be watched by spectators from the country of origin of the team. So with the growing development of football in the USA, it will not make it difficult for foreign spectators to get tickets unless the hosts sell them at low prices because many will feel it is important to watch because they want to get entertainment from the match.
If what you say happens, of course, it will also happen during the World Cup in Brazil because they are a country with people who really love football, so watching World Cup matches in stadiums will also be something that is done and we see that the world cup is still quite a lot. with foreign audiences

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Quote from: nullama on August 23, 2023, 09:20:34 PM

I think that's a fair statement.

The main difference probably is that the European leagues have been established for a long time already, and are full of talented players. It makes sense to have high offers there because it is really competitive.

On the other hand, in Saudi Arabia, and other similar places, the quality of the current players is nowhere near the European leagues. It's only money, so that's why it doesn't make sense, at the moment at least. Maybe in 10 years the Saudi League will become the most prestigious one. Who knows.

If you are talking about the European leagues, I would say that the quality is going down. But for comparison, they still maintain quite good standards compared to those leagues in other continents and confederations. Still, the Saudi Professional League is rapidly catching up and very soon the quality differentials are going to go away. BTW, I have a feeling that in Europe the clubs tried to get bigger than the game itself. They were harassing the players, and trying to dictate them. The recent spat between Messi and PSG is a prime example.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on August 23, 2023, 10:54:20 PM

Saudi league is definitely improving. The Saudis are just doing what they need to do so that they can make the league a better one. There is no reason to cry about it. They have the money to afford things. So they are buying things as they want. If any other club won the player, they can buy them by offering more money.

I know some people to say that they are abusing the money that they have. But the thing is they have the money to abuse, and the money did not come free. They have to definitely work for the money that they are spending. Moreover, they are not recklessly squandering their funds; rather, they are making calculated investments. And the way they are approaching, I can definitely say that the return on investment is going to be a really good one.

Money can help one team get many trophies at the future and change the culture of some competition, regarding with Manchester City after acquisition by Sheikh Mansour success won Premier League tittle and UEFA Champion League. No doubt money is everything in football competition and not fault when bid offering from how much money offer for signing some star player. Saudi Arabia try to be FIFA World Cup host and they try improvement with bringing many star player in their domestic league competition.

I heard they have planning in FIFA World Cup 2030 want to be host and its seems easily with money can controlling well all institution in FIFA to make them become host of World Cup.
Learned from Qatar they have been success becoming host of World Cup 2022 although move up to end year than usually World Cup match play always in middle year after ended of European domestic league.

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I was reading an article online and it highlighted a very interesting fact that football fever is on the rise in US even before the World Cup officially kicks off and this was evident when an almost full packed stadium turned up for Newcastle vs Brighton match. Further this will bring up an interesting scenario what if the locals buy most tickets and leave little or no tickets at all for tourists because I was under the impression that football isn’t much popular there but I was clearly wrong.

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Quote from: nullama on August 23, 2023, 09:20:34 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 23, 2023, 01:31:17 PM

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A lot of people are making so much hue and cry about Saudis purchasing star players for 3x or 5x their fair price. But we need to remember that it was European clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain which started this trend. Now they are getting a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they are complaining. There seems to be one rule for the Europeans and another for the non-Europeans. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar once said: "Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems".

I think that's a fair statement.

The main difference probably is that the European leagues have been established for a long time already, and are full of talented players. It makes sense to have high offers there because it is really competitive.

On the other hand, in Saudi Arabia, and other similar places, the quality of the current players is nowhere near the European leagues. It's only money, so that's why it doesn't make sense, at the moment at least. Maybe in 10 years the Saudi League will become the most prestigious one. Who knows.

Saudi league is definitely improving. The Saudis are just doing what they need to do so that they can make the league a better one. There is no reason to cry about it. They have the money to afford things. So they are buying things as they want. If any other club won the player, they can buy them by offering more money.

I know some people to say that they are abusing the money that they have. But the thing is they have the money to abuse, and the money did not come free. They have to definitely work for the money that they are spending. Moreover, they are not recklessly squandering their funds; rather, they are making calculated investments. And the way they are approaching, I can definitely say that the return on investment is going to be a really good one.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 23, 2023, 01:31:17 PM

~snip~
A lot of people are making so much hue and cry about Saudis purchasing star players for 3x or 5x their fair price. But we need to remember that it was European clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain which started this trend. Now they are getting a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they are complaining. There seems to be one rule for the Europeans and another for the non-Europeans. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar once said: "Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems".

I think that's a fair statement.

The main difference probably is that the European leagues have been established for a long time already, and are full of talented players. It makes sense to have high offers there because it is really competitive.

On the other hand, in Saudi Arabia, and other similar places, the quality of the current players is nowhere near the European leagues. It's only money, so that's why it doesn't make sense, at the moment at least. Maybe in 10 years the Saudi League will become the most prestigious one. Who knows.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 23, 2023, 01:31:17 PM

Quote from: nullama on August 22, 2023, 10:54:13 PM

Yeah, that's the thing.

People will always follow the money in the end, and if the clubs in Europe are willing to pay a lot for promising young players, well, they're going to get them, from all around the world.

Also, the ones that stay locally will probably not be able to develop at the level they should be playing, so it's really a no brainer for the players to accept a good offer from the top teams.

A lot of people are making so much hue and cry about Saudis purchasing star players for 3x or 5x their fair price. But we need to remember that it was European clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain which started this trend. Now they are getting a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they are complaining. There seems to be one rule for the Europeans and another for the non-Europeans. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar once said: "Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems".

I'm yet to understand the cry from European sports media about the lucrative deals that's been coming from Saudi Arabian clubs since the start of the year. European clubs has been the ones that's been hugely influencing the choice of where footballer go next with their juicy offers over the years.
So I think they should allow them buy as many players as they can afford without trying to make it feel like they're robbing Europe of their good players

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